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Old 05-06-2013, 11:09 AM   #61
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Well let me throw this in- what about the MOAB? What does it have that the regular sport does not?

That said, for me and my needs and budget, The sport will suffice. Any mods I do will be cosmetically and to aide in hunting. So, I will get a carrier of sorts, upgrade to HID lights, off road lights and maybe a new number. The only other thing I might add is a fastback soft top and rubi wheels or maybe MOAB wheels.

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Well let me throw this in- what about the MOAB? What does it have that the regular sport does not?

That said, for me and my needs and budget, The sport will suffice. Any mods I do will be cosmetically and to aide in hunting. So, I will get a carrier of sorts, upgrade to HID lights, off road lights and maybe a new number. The only other thing I might add is a fastback soft top and rubi wheels or maybe MOAB wheels.
If I'm not mistaken, the MOAB is essentially all the "toys" that they put on the Call Of Duty last year, but thrown onto a Sahara platform instead of a Rubicon. So you get the upgraded rock rails, better wheels/tires and heavy duty AEV bumpers. And of course the power dome hood which looks awesome but adds nothing for function. In fact it kinda takes away function since you can't really drop the windshield with that hood.

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Well let me throw this in- what about the MOAB? What does it have that the regular sport does not?
Depends on which options you get.

If you order with an open dif, or trac-lok, it is basically a Sport/Sahara. If you order it with the rear locker....it is...a Sport/Sahara with a rear locker.

It does not have have a D44 up or locker up front, the Rubi transfer case, 4.10's, or e-discos.

Honestly, it all depends on how it is going to be used. If it will spend 99% of its life on pavement, and the other 1% on fireroads and dirt trails....the Rubi is overkill compared to a Sport.

If you can afford it, or really want it...go for it.
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This is a great thread from two basic points.
First off, there have been over 30 replies in just as many hours since the original post- this is amazing as to how many people read and participate on this forum.
Second, with all the posts, no one has hijacked it, or engaged in serious trash talking nonsense which again still shows this thread has some promise in truly being helpful. Thanks everyone for being so helpful to the original question.

Now, for my two cents, which will hopefully not violate the second point. If you are looking for a Jeep JK, (sport or Rubicon) either will treat you well right off the lot. So just go for what you can afford and what you want. Most people buying a car will think ahead "What will I be using this for", If your situation is daily driver, out on forest roads, driving on primitive roads for hiking/biking/camping trails, then the Sport will do just great. 4-Wheel drive and a two speed transfer case will do wonders with the stock tire and wheel clearance. If you decide to get rid of it, fine, just trade it in for the higher 4% value as stated in an earlier post.
Now, let's say you become a Jeep junkie like me and about 1,000,000 other people on this forum, and get the itch to go 4-wheeling or further out into nowhere. No problem, the aftermarket support is phenomenal for the Jeep and you can evolve into "Your Jeep Version 2.0" by adding maybe a rear locker and a winch, maybe some sway bar disconnects. This will give you even more confidence to go where you want. If you fall out of favor with off-roading, no big deal, it's not like you are invested too far into your rig, and the next guy/gal will pick up where you left off when you sell it.
If you are confident and know for a fact you want to "go nuts" into the great sport of off-roading, then the Rubicon will be a great place to start. Factory lockers front and rear with electronic sway bar disconnects and a lower geared transfer case will give you a great place to start, and you can readily invest in a winch or other important recovery aids. If you don't want these features or don't think you need them, why buy them? There are plenty of used Rubicons out there where the locker or sway bar switch has never been turned on at all. If all you want is the Rubicon glitz, why not buy a Sport and just get the Rubicon decal and glue it to your hood?
(BTW, I agree with an earlier post that lift and tires for better ground clearance, (not just looks) will be important for Sport or Rubicon, but not essential up front since the ground clearance is great already)

Technology and engineering in four-wheeling is essential, but as with all motorsports, the skill of the driver has to be present to do what you want your Jeep to do. One can certainly compensate for the other to varying degrees. We all know of people who can take on serious trails in a stock Sport while a new guy in a Rubicon holds up the group getting stuck all the time. Ultimately, there will be trails that both are required, but only serious off-roaders drive on them, and for these drivers, they already know what they want in a rig and have the moxie to make it work. One could argue a perfect world would be an experienced/skilled driver in a Rubicon (or other Jeep with a lo-gear transfer case, lockers, and sway bar disconnects) to take on some of the toughest trails, i.e. the Rubicon itself, but that is just an extrapolation, not argumentative.
In the end, I feel the classic adage is, "We all started from somewhere, so just simply start and see where your Jeep takes you (literally)."

Now the next thread will be "How one can start a local Jeepers Anonymous support group", members will find therapy/support because they have difficulty staying on paved roads and an overzealous desire to add random mechanical and cosmetic upgrades to a perfectly normal vehicle.
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I have gone off-road in Moab and have NOT used the disco or even lockers yet in the field.
This is a great example that everyone has a different idea of what "off-road" is.

Say there are two guys with bone stock rubis shooting the bull and one guy says he hardly ever uses his lockers or discos, while the other guy might have to switch his lockers on and off 100 times a day and is always disconnected. Odds are very good that these guys don't run the same trails, and have a very different idea in there heads as to what they call off-road.
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Always an interesting topic...that inspires a lot of passionate responses.

My two cents:
  • The Sport is a very capable offroad vehicle...as is
  • The Sport can be upgraded to be a Rubicon-killing monster
  • The Rubicon is a fantastic turnkey offroad package...and also allows you to get some standard features and options that are not available on a Sport
That's pretty much it. If cost is a concern, you probably should get a Sport...and then later on you can upgrade. Just make sure that you get 3.73 gearing to hold you over until you do decide that you need to regear.

Another reason to get a Sport may be because you know that you will be doing some serious upgrades...perhaps including regearing...so why blow the extra cash on a Rubi?

On the other hand, if you want a Rubi and have the cash, then buy it. I said want...not need. This is America. Do I need a Corvette? Do I need a 70" TV?

People justify Rubi purchases based on their own priorities...and that is perfectly fine. Some want the upgraded off-road capabilities (lockers, disco, 4:1 xfer case). Others may be motivated more by the factory 4.10 gearing and front D44. Heck, others may want the trim and comfort options only available on the Rubi and Sahara and go for the Rubi due to the fact that they like the fender flares and seat stitching better. Whatever. This is America...and we don't need to prove that we need anything...assuming we can afford it.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
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I'm not trying to hate on this thread it's just as others have pointed out "off road" means something different to everyone. The one off stories I don't think are helpful as its just a single example. It would be cool to do an objective test is a variety of terrain with the same driver etc.. I think to the op if your idea of off roading is going 10mph or slower in 4 low then the rubi has an advantage with the lockers and automatic sway disconnect if not the sport will preform equally well in 4 hi and 2wd
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If I'm not mistaken, the MOAB is essentially all the "toys" that they put on the Call Of Duty last year, but thrown onto a Sahara platform instead of a Rubicon. So you get the upgraded rock rails, better wheels/tires and heavy duty AEV bumpers. And of course the power dome hood which looks awesome but adds nothing for function. In fact it kinda takes away function since you can't really drop the windshield with that hood.
I do love the MOAB front bumper and wheels and might update to them, if I can get a deal on the forums
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Oh and I wouldn't off road in sra tires
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Thanks! The 13' JKUR that I just picked up is my fifth Jeep, second Rubicon (the other was a 2dr 04'). I've had a dozen 4x4s but have not put any of them through what I've done in the first week with this one. I'm blown away by what this thing can do stock in 4L with e-disco and lockers. Seems like it'll crawl over anything it contacts that is less than axle height.
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This is a great thread from two basic points.
First off, there have been over 30 replies in just as many hours since the original post- this is amazing as to how many people read and participate on this forum.
Second, with all the posts, no one has hijacked it, or engaged in serious trash talking nonsense which again still shows this thread has some promise in truly being helpful. Thanks everyone for being so helpful to the original question.

Now, for my two cents, which will hopefully not violate the second point. If you are looking for a Jeep JK, (sport or Rubicon) either will treat you well right off the lot. So just go for what you can afford and what you want. Most people buying a car will think ahead "What will I be using this for", If your situation is daily driver, out on forest roads, driving on primitive roads for hiking/biking/camping trails, then the Sport will do just great. 4-Wheel drive and a two speed transfer case will do wonders with the stock tire and wheel clearance. If you decide to get rid of it, fine, just trade it in for the higher 4% value as stated in an earlier post.
Now, let's say you become a Jeep junkie like me and about 1,000,000 other people on this forum, and get the itch to go 4-wheeling or further out into nowhere. No problem, the aftermarket support is phenomenal for the Jeep and you can evolve into "Your Jeep Version 2.0" by adding maybe a rear locker and a winch, maybe some sway bar disconnects. This will give you even more confidence to go where you want. If you fall out of favor with off-roading, no big deal, it's not like you are invested too far into your rig, and the next guy/gal will pick up where you left off when you sell it.
If you are confident and know for a fact you want to "go nuts" into the great sport of off-roading, then the Rubicon will be a great place to start. Factory lockers front and rear with electronic sway bar disconnects and a lower geared transfer case will give you a great place to start, and you can readily invest in a winch or other important recovery aids. If you don't want these features or don't think you need them, why buy them? There are plenty of used Rubicons out there where the locker or sway bar switch has never been turned on at all. If all you want is the Rubicon glitz, why not buy a Sport and just get the Rubicon decal and glue it to your hood?
(BTW, I agree with an earlier post that lift and tires for better ground clearance, (not just looks) will be important for Sport or Rubicon, but not essential up front since the ground clearance is great already)

Technology and engineering in four-wheeling is essential, but as with all motorsports, the skill of the driver has to be present to do what you want your Jeep to do. One can certainly compensate for the other to varying degrees. We all know of people who can take on serious trails in a stock Sport while a new guy in a Rubicon holds up the group getting stuck all the time. Ultimately, there will be trails that both are required, but only serious off-roaders drive on them, and for these drivers, they already know what they want in a rig and have the moxie to make it work. One could argue a perfect world would be an experienced/skilled driver in a Rubicon (or other Jeep with a lo-gear transfer case, lockers, and sway bar disconnects) to take on some of the toughest trails, i.e. the Rubicon itself, but that is just an extrapolation, not argumentative.
In the end, I feel the classic adage is, "We all started from somewhere, so just simply start and see where your Jeep takes you (literally)."

Now the next thread will be "How one can start a local Jeepers Anonymous support group", members will find therapy/support because they have difficulty staying on paved roads and an overzealous desire to add random mechanical and cosmetic upgrades to a perfectly normal vehicle.
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BTW I agree! This is a great thread and the forum rocks. So many people with so much knowledge, makes you feel like you are part of the jeep TRIBE! Like I said, I went for the sport, but slowly might make some updgrades, and I decide that off-roading is my new hobby- then I might see a Rubicon in my future
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Off the lot with stock equipment, standard Wrangler can't do what the Rubicon will. You can build your Wrangler and out-perform the Rubicon, but stock is as stock does...hands down, Wrangler can't go where Rubicon can
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Depends on which options you get.

If you order with an open dif, or trac-lok, it is basically a Sport/Sahara. If you order it with the rear locker....it is...a Sport/Sahara with a rear locker.

It does not have have a D44 up or locker up front, the Rubi transfer case, 4.10's, or e-discos.

Honestly, it all depends on how it is going to be used. If it will spend 99% of its life on pavement, and the other 1% on fireroads and dirt trails....the Rubi is overkill compared to a Sport.

If you can afford it, or really want it...go for it.
I you get a Rubi and the automatic trans you can pretty decent mileage, but if you go on a jeep run you will wish you had a Rubi
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Always an interesting topic...that inspires a lot of passionate responses.

My two cents:
  • The Sport is a very capable offroad vehicle...as is
  • The Sport can be upgraded to be a Rubicon-killing monster
  • The Rubicon is a fantastic turnkey offroad package...and also allows you to get some standard features and options that are not available on a Sport
That's pretty much it. If cost is a concern, you probably should get a Sport...and then later on you can upgrade. Just make sure that you get 3.73 gearing to hold you over until you do decide that you need to regear.

Another reason to get a Sport may be because you know that you will be doing some serious upgrades...perhaps including regearing...so why blow the extra cash on a Rubi?

On the other hand, if you want a Rubi and have the cash, then buy it. I said want...not need. This is America. Do I need a Corvette? Do I need a 70" TV?

People justify Rubi purchases based on their own priorities...and that is perfectly fine. Some want the upgraded off-road capabilities (lockers, disco, 4:1 xfer case). Others may be motivated more by the factory 4.10 gearing and front D44. Heck, others may want the trim and comfort options only available on the Rubi and Sahara and go for the Rubi due to the fact that they like the fender flares and seat stitching better. Whatever. This is America...and we don't need to prove that we need anything...assuming we can afford it.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
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I Must say, I still love my 2011 sport ( only 20K miles on her and I was able to do the mods I wanted ( even If I got a rubi, I would have changed the same things )

With my 33's and Synergy Suspension, my Rig rides awesome and was able to make it my own!

good luck, either way you cannot lose.
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Of course he was ready to buy it back...he was trying to get you to buy a new Rubicon
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i'm actually glad i found this thread. i've gotten to the point where im continplating which should i get ? im currently trying to hunt down a 10th ann model, but with all the frustration with the stealerships trying to get top dollar for them, my thoughts have came to regular rubicon and even the base sport model.

i really didn't want a bare bones model, even though the pricing is great and you can find them everywhere. yet the rubicon is decently priced but will i get most use out of it ??

I'm most of the time going to be taking it out on weekends, cruising around with the top off, probably taking it to work here and there. and later on the line maybe lifting it and throwing some nice wheels on it, possibly one of those bad ass front bumpers.

Will i ever off road? idk honestly maybe down a dirt road , possibly mud, we have no rocks to climb here in SOFLA and possibly take her down to daytona next year and drive on the actual beach.

Any other thoughts or takes on this situation ? what about the other model wranglers ?

Sport S
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I already know the moab and 10th ann models are more pricey and more exclusive, yet besides the fancy hoods and graphics on both of them. Is there really anything better about them ?
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On the other hand, if you want a Rubi and have the cash, then buy it. I said want...not need. This is America. Do I need a Corvette? Do I need a 70" TV?
I'd say, yes, a 70" TV (with a high def signal) is a need like food, clothing, and shelter.

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Why would you lift it if youre not offroading it? Infact, any wrangler, bone stock, can do any of that well. You wouldnt get any use out of the extra features the rubi has. But they are badass and you might get hooked on it. Thats what happened to me, i didnt intend to off road it. So, i would say get the rubi if you have the money...

The dealer should let you take one off road. Atleast a used one. You'll be shocked at what it can do.

By the way we dont have rocks here either. But lift kits and big tires still help...
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I was eating my cereal this morning and it told me to buy a Rubicon. That's good enough for me.....
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I'm in Florida also and decided to buy a plain sport and do a nice lift and some bling aith the money saved. I just don't need all the bells and whistles of a Rubi.
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"Your Jeep Version 2.0" by adding maybe a rear locker and a winch, maybe some sway bar disconnects. This will give you even more confidence to go where you want. If you fall out of favor with off-roading, no big deal, it's not like you are invested too far into your rig, and the next guy/gal will pick up where you left off when you sell it.

This is pretty much what I may do. I've been debating Rubi vs Soprt for a little while.
But my question is. How much would upgradeing the sport to a Rear Locker and Front Winch cost? Because if it's too much, then you may as well get the Rubi.

A Concern I have if I DO get the Rubi, is the on road performance. How well does this thing handle on road, like in the rain with the stock tires? I'd hate to spend all that money and have to change tires right away.
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This is pretty much what I may do. I've been debating Rubi vs Soprt for a little while.
But my question is. How much would upgradeing the sport to a Rear Locker and Front Winch cost? Because if it's too much, then you may as well get the Rubi.

A Concern I have if I DO get the Rubi, is the on road performance. How well does this thing handle on road, like in the rain with the stock tires? I'd hate to spend all that money and have to change tires right away.
There's much more to making a sport like a Rubi, Dana 44s front and rear, lockers front and rear, electronic sway bar disconnect, rock track 4.1 transfer case, and the rubis are usually loaded with things like power windows, door locks, remote start, navigation, premium sound system, which aren't included on the sports.
The rubis drive excellent on the road, better than the sports.
I've got a 2008 and a 2012, both rubicons.
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SPORTS ARE HARDCORE
Put a good set of tires on a sport, disconnect the front sway bar, air down, and they can go damn near anywhere a rubicon can. The main issue is picking a good line that keeps the wheels on the ground across the axles. Sometimes it takes a bit of wheel spin with a sport, where the lockers on a rubicon will let it just roll over the same thing and look easy.

SWAY-BAR +1
I vote disconnecting the sway bar is mo better than airing down. It will significantly make the ride smoother, and keep your wheels on the ground=traction. Of course airing down also takes your traction to the next level, and also smooth out the ride. In the 4 wheelers bible he mentions that keeping aired up can act like a fuse to make sure you don't twist an axle.

GEARING
I like the 4.10 that makes driving a stick easier. It should help extend the life of my clutch. With the stock 32" wheels 1-2nd gear is very close on road. I don't have any issues with driving on the highway, but going on the interstate you start to notice the low gearing over the 60mph'ish sweet spot. Going 80 mph and you can hear the RPMs gulping down gas. I like that I can upgrade my tire size a couple inches with no major loss in performance. At this point in my wheeling life I think the 4.10 gearing paired with 4:1 transfer case is a bit too low with 32" tires. I have yet to use 1st because its snail slow. I use 2nd to engine break down nearly straight down stuff so I don't slide in 1st.

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There are a bunch of people that want jeeps for snow cars (can I use the c word here?). They would really be better served with a LSD. Preferably an after market Eaton Truetrac LSD that won't completely were out like the factory LSD option.

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Now with the new 2012+ the Rubicon with 4.10 gears can handle 35's with ease and 37's are alright to get by with. So there is a less chance you will need to re-gear a newer Rubicon which gives it a big advantage in the modding process. Now if your not going to ride any trails or just lite trail riding then get a Sport or Sahara. A Rubicon has no real advantage on the road and it is a myth that the Rubicon has a better re-sale value. The Sport actually has a 4% better re-sale value after 4 years.
Lots of good points here. I'm guessing that the 4% resale is based off MSRP vs 1% below Invoice price that is easy to get (tread lightly, Costco). Using the Tread Lightly discount takes a much higher chunk of change off Rubies than sports. I also think there is a very slight advantage of the lockers being under warranty. The stealer ships service department will try anything in there power to duck a claim it seems. I do think that you will get way more money back off lockers bought stock vs aftermarket (even better) lockers during trade in. And if you upgrade something, it's easier to sell rubicon take off parts.

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I got the Rubi so I wouldn't have Jeep envy at most traffic lights.

Seriously though, for me it was a mixture of "I can afford it" and "I won't do these mods by myself" and "I might use these features it once in a long while". I have gone off-road in Moab and have NOT used the disco or even lockers yet in the field.
Why on earth would you not use the discos. There is no reason besides moving over 18mph not to use them. The first thing to do when off road is put it in 4-low and hit the sway bar button.

I have yet to use my front locker. I haven't felt the need to give up turning ability. If I'm going up a hill that would be hard to nearly impossible to walk up I flip on the rear locker. Then I switch it back off. In off camber situations lockers can slide you sideways in slick stuff. Plus they are hard on your tires and axles.

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i'm actually glad i found this thread. i've gotten to the point where im continplating which should i get ? im currently trying to hunt down a 10th ann model, but with all the frustration with the stealerships trying to get top dollar for them, my thoughts have came to regular rubicon and even the base sport model.
Do a search for TREAD LIGHTLY DISCOUNT (=1% below invoice without haggling)

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This is pretty much what I may do. I've been debating Rubi vs Soprt for a little while.
But my question is. How much would upgradeing the sport to a Rear Locker and Front Winch cost? Because if it's too much, then you may as well get the Rubi.

A Concern I have if I DO get the Rubi, is the on road performance. How well does this thing handle on road, like in the rain with the stock tires? I'd hate to spend all that money and have to change tires right away.
My ideal set up would be Eaton Truetrac's in the front and selectable locker in the rear. It seems like you can make the locker part of that scenario with the Moab edition.

KM RUBICON TIRES
I've had no problems with the tires in snow or rain. Very rarely I'll get the smallest amount of a squeak when taking off in the rain. I was sure I was going to need to get a set of GY duratrac's. I'm sure they are better on slippery stuff, but I'm happy with the stock KMs.

One thing with a larger tread you need to rotate the tires more often. Like every 3000-5000 miles would be ideal. So basically with each oil change.
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Take note............one can not always "pick" your lines. There is only one line at this point on this trail (rated 3 out of 5). The YJ is locked on both axles, running 35's and had to be winched over the top here. I had one of my lockers malfunction once and had a hell of a time getting over this one on 37's with 12psi in them.

Also, when on Forest Service land in this area, they require one to stay in the tracks, run a minimum of 33" (actual measure) tires and have at least one locking axle.
So, if you are going to wheel your rig, you might want to get with local 4X4 clubs in your area to see what the requirements are needed to do what you want to do before making any decisions. Good Luck!
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The rubis drive excellent on the road, better than the sports.
What aspect of the Rubi makes it a better ride than the sport? I missed that.
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What aspect of the Rubi makes it a better ride than the sport? I missed that.
I'd like to hear this one? Rubi's must have that special riding option...
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I am a noob who knows next to nothing about off roading and jeeps. All I know is I want a jeep and hopefully will be getting one soon.
I am going with a sport because it is cheaper. I Will use saved money on tires, wheels, and lift. Also with the same setup, the sport with the 3.73 gearing may get better gas mileage and be a better setup for daily driving.
IMO I would rather have a sport lifted with wheels and tires and a stock Rubi. The Rubi may be more capable but for me, I will not be taking it off road more than 5 times a year and the trails will be not be too advanced. Maybe I am just a poser but thats fine with me.

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