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Old 05-22-2013, 07:35 AM   #91
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I am a noob who knows next to nothing about off roading and jeeps. All I know is I want a jeep and hopefully will be getting one soon.
I am going with a sport because it is cheaper. I Will use saved money on tires, wheels, and lift. Also with the same setup, the sport with the 3.73 gearing may get better gas mileage and be a better setup for daily driving.
IMO I would rather have a sport lifted with wheels and tires and a stock Rubi. The Rubi may be more capable but for me, I will not be taking it off road more than 5 times a year and the trails will be not be too advanced. Maybe I am just a poser but thats fine with me.
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What aspect of the Rubi makes it a better ride than the sport? I missed that.
I'm referring to stock suspension. The shocks are better, a little more firm on valving, and the springs feel better too. After the suspension is changed, it's a different story.

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I am a noob who knows next to nothing about off roading and jeeps. All I know is I want a jeep and hopefully will be getting one soon.
I am going with a sport because it is cheaper. I Will use saved money on tires, wheels, and lift. Also with the same setup, the sport with the 3.73 gearing may get better gas mileage and be a better setup for daily driving.
IMO I would rather have a sport lifted with wheels and tires and a stock Rubi. The Rubi may be more capable but for me, I will not be taking it off road more than 5 times a year and the trails will be not be too advanced. Maybe I am just a poser but thats fine with me.
Definitely not a poser! I chose the sport for that same reason. Looks great lifted and is very capable off road. I run 315 Duratracs with 3.21's and have zero issues. Sure the rubicon would be nice but I couldn't justify the extra $$. Get it, make it yours and have fun!
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:18 AM   #94
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sport RHD whatever comes with that trim
I'm sure you've figured this out by now, but this is Right Hand Drive, like a postal service vehicle.
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Great thread. I have been looking at the rubi's as of late. For the reasons stated before, the Lockers, 4:10 gears and discos. I have been patiently waiting for the 14's, a decision i made earlier this year so i could pay off my current vehicle and save some money for tire, wheels and a 2.5" lift. That and i'm hoping the Hydo blue comes to fruition. I can't see myself going bigger than 35's for tires or more than 2.5" lift. This will be my DD. Since the stock rubi comes without power windows or door lock, 6speed comes standard with 4:10 gears and it comes with AC, the only thing i would add would be the premium soft top. I could hold off on the lift as the rubi sits higher and i can put 33x12.5 Duratracs on it with no issues. I might be able to sell the stock rubi tires & wheels for about $1000 according to a few craigs list post (listings for $1200-1700, which i think is high). That would pay for over half my tires and wheels i want (MC Thompson Classic Lock 15x10 & Goodyear Duratrac 33x12.5). Ok, now it's time to wait for the 14 wrangler information thread so i can see some 14 pricing.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:13 AM   #96
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Always an interesting topic...that inspires a lot of passionate responses.

My two cents:
  • The Sport is a very capable offroad vehicle...as is
  • The Sport can be upgraded to be a Rubicon-killing monster
  • The Rubicon is a fantastic turnkey offroad package...and also allows you to get some standard features and options that are not available on a Sport
In the Rubicon vs Sport debate you always see the claim " Sport can be upgraded to be a Rubicon-killing monster " The cost difference examples I see out there is about 5K and in most cases the sport buyers never upgrade due to lake of $$ or other reasons so they we better off selecting the Rubicon in the first place.
But just for fun lets turn a Sport into a Rubicon-killing monster I will list what I think would be " Rubicon-killing monster status " NOT junk yard parts. Now I am ONLY upgrading items that the Sport Lacks upgrade to exceed the Rubicon you know monster status.

First off front axel
Dynatrack PR 44 $5K complete with locker you already spent what you saved. plus more $$ for a PR60
Now transfer case Atlas 2 speed $2k 4 speed $3K bad to the bone
Anti Sway Currie Antirocks front and rear 1K
Rear Locker ARB 1K
Gearing 1K
* priceing is ball park but you get the idea do not bust my balls on the numbers.

Now I might of missed something but that is extra $$ keep in mind this does not include installation for you non DIY types.

So your tapped after JK Sport purchase most guys will not have 10K!! so no upgrades so they end up unhappy with their decision. This does not include lift, tires, bumbers,winch and Hot Chick in passenger seat

So I say get the Rubi great as it is or a awsome planform to build on
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:15 AM   #97
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I'm referring to stock suspension. The shocks are better, a little more firm on valving, and the springs feel better too. After the suspension is changed, it's a different story.
Not sure if firm means a better ride, but I'll concede that one-ish... however, the coils may or may NOT be an improvement... you have to verify... it's not a given, so.. - 10 pts for that, haha.

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I come from the belief that any Jeep Wrangler is great, love them all.

Owning a Rubicon, for most trails I would say the biggest advantage are the lockers. Search youtube for "locker vs. no locker" videos. Discos are not a necessity. Dana 44 front is nice. I find the 4:1 case to feel really low, and you don't really need the 4.10 gearing unless you either plan on fitting 35s or larger and spend a lot of time off road, which we all do right?

As you probably know, you could save the coin and buy the Sport and be just as happy, aftermarket lockers are fairly inexpensive and that would be my suggestion with a sport for wheeling.
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In the Rubicon vs Sport debate you always see the claim " Sport can be upgraded to be a Rubicon-killing monster " The cost difference examples I see out there is about 5K and in most cases the sport buyers never upgrade due to lake of $$ or other reasons so they we better off selecting the Rubicon in the first place.
But just for fun lets turn a Sport into a Rubicon-killing monster I will list what I think would be " Rubicon-killing monster status " NOT junk yard parts. Now I am ONLY upgrading items that the Sport Lacks upgrade to exceed the Rubicon you know monster status.

First off front axel
Dynatrack PR 44 $5K complete with locker you already spent what you saved. plus more $$ for a PR60
Now transfer case Atlas 2 speed $2k 4 speed $3K bad to the bone
Anti Sway Currie Antirocks front and rear 1K
Rear Locker ARB 1K
Gearing 1K
* priceing is ball park but you get the idea do not bust my balls on the numbers.

Now I might of missed something but that is extra $$ keep in mind this does not include installation for you non DIY types.

So your tapped after JK Sport purchase most guys will not have 10K!! so no upgrades so they end up unhappy with their decision. This does not include lift, tires, bumbers,winch and Hot Chick in passenger seat

So I say get the Rubi great as it is or a awsome planform to build on
Ain't here to "Bust your Balls" at all!!! Just confirm what you said.
And by the time you add in tires and some other stuff = $15K. if you do it right. And it hard to put a dollar value on what it will take to KEEP the Hot Chick in the passenger seat.
And for those who think the 4:1 Transfer case and 4.10 gears are too slow; you need to follow me!! I have a 4:1 TC and 5.38's and still think I could stand deeper reduction. Not for the power, but to be able to go slower yet in the technical stuff
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:56 PM   #100
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for those who think the 4:1 Transfer case and 4.10 gears are too slow; you need to follow me!! I have a 4:1 TC and 5.38's and still think I could stand deeper reduction. Not for the power, but to be able to go slower yet in the technical stuff
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I love the Rubi when 4 Low in idle she keeps on crawling over rocks
have you looked into the RubiCrawler

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And I am like you. Put her in 4Low, 1st gear and let her crawl, it is about un-stoppable!!
If I do anything more to slow it down; it will probably be a 4 speed atlas.

I thought the rubicrawler was only for the automatics,too. I have a 6 speed Manual
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:05 PM   #102
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Off the lot with stock equipment, standard Wrangler can't do what the Rubicon will. You can build your Wrangler and out-perform the Rubicon, but stock is as stock does...hands down, Wrangler can't go where Rubicon can
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Why is this even a thread... Rubicon guys will say Rubicon others will say sport... It never goes anywhere
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No…you just have to find the Sport guys who actually spend the money to upgrade.
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No…you just have to find the Sport guys who actually spend the money to upgrade.
Yea and the Rubicon guys will say they got bang for their buck.... It doesn't end
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Buy a Jeep and shut up. This is discussed ad nauseam...
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Buy a Jeep and shut up. This is discussed ad nauseam...
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Most threads like this are childish. Start out good/innocent enough but end up a pissing match.
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Well you got the talking part over with. Looking forward to the videos and blogs.
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i love how the Rubicon owners always chime in one of these threads with their ridiculous posts... well my rubicon can fly and drive under water.... " Oh thats nothing my rubicon has went out of space and it has been off roading on moon.



There supposedly is some feat that a rubicon can do that no other vehicle is capable of....
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So you are saying that its driver based. I got it, and very much agree with that. So, take the worlds best driver, whoever that is. Wouldn't he be able to do more in a stock rubi than in a stock sport? I mean, at that point only the vehicle is what's holding him back.
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So you are saying that its driver based. I got it, and very much agree with that. So, take the worlds best driver, whoever that is. Wouldn't he be able to do more in a stock rubi than in a stock sport? I mean, at that point only the vehicle is what's holding him back.
If you have two equal drivers or at least with in 5% of each other and 1 stock rubicon and 1 stock sport as they come equipped from the factory with no options the Rubicon will spank the sport in off road conditions. The sport might win a 0-60 contest. It would take a much better driver for the sport to compete in any off road challenge due to tires, lockers, gear rations, t/c ratio, shocks, disconnects etc.
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Take two = drivers and a totally stock rubicon and let the sport add = tires, disconnects, LSD in rear and still the rubicon will spank, add 3.73 gears to the sport and still a ways apart. add front lockers and rear lockers and things are getting equal.
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this is such an easy stupid debate 2 setttle and its plain and simple fact. if u want the best rig u can buy 4 wheeling from the factory buy a Rubicon. If u want a dd mall crawler decent off road rig then get a sport or whatever other model. Its usually the ppl that couldn't afford the Rubicon that try 2 justify the most why a sport is better. U just gotta understand that even if not admitted by a sport owner, a rubicon is the best rig from factory for 4 wheeling and a sport is better 4 dd. its that simple. If somebody thinks a sport is anywhere near as capable offroad as a rubicon then theyre either just jealous cuz they culdnt get a rubicon or theyre just plain dumb. sorry but its the plain and simple truth
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If you have two equal drivers or at least with in 5% of each other and 1 stock rubicon and 1 stock sport as they come equipped from the factory with no options the Rubicon will spank the sport in off road conditions. The sport might win a 0-60 contest. It would take a much better driver for the sport to compete in any off road challenge due to tires, lockers, gear rations, t/c ratio, shocks, disconnects etc.
this ^^^^
the original post said stock vs stock.... I've driven both...attempted the same obstetricals. and even if you don't like the answer its the Rubicon that wins...

now modifying a Jeep is totally different... first thing I would do on a stock sport is install disco..

anyhow this thread is old.. I'm sure the op has bought his Jeep by now...
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I am driving Sport S and that is all I need form Wrangler, I added steps/running boards from Sahara, better tires and tons of small Mopar & not made parts and I am done with it, but again I am not going to rock climbing competitions. For snow and dirt my Sport S is just perfect. It is dirty sleeping outside, ready for another snow storm and if I need something better and luxury for better weather than now in NJ - I would drive my benzy
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Sooo, let's go back to before 2004. There was no "Rubicon", so you bought a Sport or Sahara, then some, not all, started adding lockers, 4 to 1 transfer case, sway bar disconnects ect,ect. A few guys at jeep knew and understood these benefits and went "underground" and put these items in a couple jeeps that were part of a corporate "fun day" the big wigs wondered why these two jeeps were doing so much better...in a nut shell, that's why we have the Rubicon. So yes the Rubicon is a better all around "OFF ROAD" jeep then a sport.
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Ain't here to "Bust your Balls" at all!!! Just confirm what you said.
And by the time you add in tires and some other stuff = $15K. if you do it right. And it hard to put a dollar value on what it will take to KEEP the Hot Chick in the passenger seat.
And for those who think the 4:1 Transfer case and 4.10 gears are too slow; you need to follow me!! I have a 4:1 TC and 5.38's and still think I could stand deeper reduction. Not for the power, but to be able to go slower yet in the technical stuff

I love popping mine in 4 lo and putting it in 1st gear and going down a steep grade without using brakes at all. The low gearing is amazing for serious offroading whether it be climbing or navigating a steep decline.
BTW- your pics are amazing, I always cringe whenever I see the positions you put your rubi in!
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Tires and possible LSD aside...

Take a stock Sport/Sahara with an open diff vs a Rubi.

In 2H....there is no real difference.
In 4H....there is no real difference.
In 4L....there is no contest.

It all depends on how you will use the vehicle.

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