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Old 01-04-2014, 11:04 AM   #1
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Rubicon X hard top leaking near front pillars

14 JKURX leaking when raining, between hard top and door near front driver side pillar. I have taken it in once already and they "re-adjusted" the weather strips, and it still leaks like crazy. Has anyone encountered and successfully corrected this issue?

And I really don't want to hear that it is a Jeep and it leaks, Everybody else that I know that owns a JK with a hard top have experienced 0 leaks. Also 43,000+ dollars means that it should not leak. I have owned three early 80's chevy f-body's with T-tops that were total POS's and they didn't leak a drop, so please save the "what do you expect from a removable top" responses. I need solutions so that I don't have to hire a lawyer and start a lemon claim.

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Old 01-04-2014, 11:09 AM   #2
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Try another dealer. They can fix it. Been there done that.

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Old 01-04-2014, 12:13 PM   #3
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My top leaks every first big downpour. Then after the foam gets moist and expands its all good for the rest of the season.
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My top leaks every first big downpour. Then after the foam gets moist and expands its all good for the rest of the season.
Mine has leaked since day 1, we have been frozen since thanksgiving, with the exception of two warmer rainy weekends, each time it has rained I have been soaked; once before the "repair" and once afterward, so far 2 for 2. They have been days long rains and it has leaked the whole time whether im parked at an angle forwards, backwards, or on flat ground, it also leaks when in the sun and the ice starts to melt.

My vehicle was built and not ok'd originally at the factory, I wish there was a way to find out why it wasn't ok'd I bet it had something to do with this problem.
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It's a jeep thing.....Laffing
Seriously though hope you get it corrected. Mine has never leaked (knock on wood) it would suck to say the least.

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Ok... had that on my 10A, and fixed it myself. If you look closely at the door surround weather strip, you will find that at the front top corner of the door, there is a thin lip that is designed to direct the water coming off the front panel rain gutters, towards the outside of the seal, and therefore leak down the seal outside the jeep.

Most likely due to packaging prior to the install, that thin lip most likely has taken a bad fold and is directing the water coming off the gutter towards the INSIDE of the seal straight down the inside of the jeep.

I fixed it by warming up the seal with a hairdryer and placing a small piece of plastic on the outside of the lip ,closing the door and leave it alone for a few days to let the lip take that new form......

Went to the dealer and they wanted to transfer the problem to their leak specialist. I wanted to avoid going back to show it, then back again to change the seal etc.... So I studied it and found the culprit.

I remember posting pics a few months back....
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Ok... had that on my 10A, and fixed it myself. If you look closely at the door surround weather strip, you will find that at the front top corner of the door, there is a thin lip that is designed to direct the water coming off the front panel rain gutters, towards the outside of the seal, and therefore leak down the seal outside the jeep.

Most likely due to packaging prior to the install, that thin lip most likely has taken a bad fold and is directing the water coming off the gutter towards the INSIDE of the seal straight down the inside of the jeep.

I fixed it by warming up the seal with a hairdryer and placing a small piece of plastic on the outside of the lip ,closing the door and leave it alone for a few days to let the lip take that new form......

Went to the dealer and they wanted to transfer the problem to their leak specialist. I wanted to avoid going back to show it, then back again to change the seal etc.... So I studied it and found the culprit.

I remember posting pics a few months back....
I think I remember seeing them,

I see where you are talking about, but I want to avoid having Chrysler telling me that it is my fault for altering. I am going to try asking that the seal around the door be replaced and possibly the freedom panel as well, it's seal looks funky to me also. They already had a supposed leak specialist work on it the first time, this time I plan on being overly involved and looking over his shoulder to make sure I don't get three pounds of silicone caulk squeezed around my vehicle.
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I think I remember seeing them,

I see where you are talking about, but I want to avoid having Chrysler telling me that it is my fault for altering. I am going to try asking that the seal around the door be replaced and possibly the freedom panel as well, it's seal looks funky to me also. They already had a supposed leak specialist work on it the first time, this time I plan on being overly involved and looking over his shoulder to make sure I don't get three pounds of silicone caulk squeezed around my vehicle.
If you don't mind the numerous trips to the dealer, that is fine.... my dealer is 2 blocks down and I just didn't want to bother with the numerous visits.... Its impossible that they could tell you touched it... since you are just giving back the fold that that lip is suppose to have in the first place. You can try it and if it doesn't work there is no way they can tell you touched anything.

I also bought that honda rubber strip lube called SHIN ETSU and applied it to all the rubber stripping. It is nice in the way that it obviously lubes the rubber without the tackyness you would expect from a grease.
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I don't mind working on my vehicle when it involves modding it, I have a problem fixing a defect on a vehicle with only a few hundred miles on it, out of principal more than anything else. And most importantly I want it documented so when push comes to shove and arbitration begins under the lemon law I have my ducks in a row. I hope it does not come to that, I hope having the seal around the door replaced fixes the issue completely.
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Well, as long as that lip on the new seal does have the same bad fold, you'll be fine... Pretty darn early to be talking about a lemon tho!!! You'll be perfectly fine.
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Well I want to document that it is obviously a factory defect and not a time evolved/generated issue. That could weigh heavily in my favor in any sort of arbitration. And all I need is three attempts to correct without resolution.
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Well I want to document that it is obviously a factory defect and not a time evolved/generated issue. That could weigh heavily in my favor in any sort of arbitration. And all I need is three attempts to correct without resolution.
Really??? I saw a tv report a few months back about a guy up here with a darn nice jeep who's top had been tried to be fixed for a few years. He had lost his jeep to the dealer for months at a time and they could nevef solve the problem... he's been in court with Chrysler for over a year and as far as I know he still has his jeep.
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So am I, but I choose my battles..lol.
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I will gladly give them their three chances to fix it, and I hope they do, I just feel that I need to steer them in the right direction. After that however, I refuse to live at the dealer and drive dodge dart rentals around forever, and if I need to hire a lawyer and stand in front of every consumer advocate reporter that I can find, I will do so. BBB, Consumer Reports, Ohio Attorney Generals Office of Consumer Affairs, Channels 3, 5, and 8 here I come.
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Mine was leaking as well between panels on top of the radio, pretty bad until someone suggested 303 Aerospace. I got it from Amazon and wiped all parts around panels. It works for me, and I was hopeless about ...
I agree it should nor leak but Chrysler ignoring this complain
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I feel your pain Wuzo. I have been where you are, I did the whole lemon claim. The Chrysler rep they sent wrote on my claim that it's "normal" for a Jeep to leak in rain. Actually wrote it on an official paper. They basically thumbed there nose at me and dared me to go up against their legal machine.

I sold the hardtop and bought a like new OEM soft top on CL. I put a generous amount of Shih-tzu grease on al lseals and has not leaked since.
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I feel your pain Wuzo. I have been where you are, I did the whole lemon claim. The Chrysler rep they sent wrote on my claim that it's "normal" for a Jeep to leak in rain. Actually wrote it on an official paper. They basically thumbed there nose at me and dared me to go up against their legal machine.

I sold the hardtop and bought a like new OEM soft top on CL. I put a generous amount of Shih-tzu grease on al lseals and has not leaked since.
That sucks, I have dual tops, and if it wasn't arctic here in Ohio I would be tempted to put my soft top on. I would almost welcome that challenge should they choose to claim that the leaking is normal. I can make some noise when pushed, and think I would make it my calling in life to make as much noise as possible should it be necessary.
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The Chrysler rep they sent wrote on my claim that it's "normal" for a Jeep to leak in rain. Actually wrote it on an official paper.
I would have handed a copy of the Wrangler sales brochure, to both the Chrysler rep and the judge/arbitrator, ask them both to turn to the page on the tops, and have the rep to point to the written notice (legal disclaimer) of such.

Basically, they have to give notice of such before one purchases, not after. Without such, the question comes down to, would a reasonable person expect that any hard/solid roof to be water/rain proof?
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I have had similar issues and just got my Jeep back for the second trip in to correct leaking at the passenger side A pillar. They replaced the door and header seals and said it was water tight. Funny and annoying thing is, on the way home I kept hitting the window switch because it sounded like the passenger window was down. Turns out the header seal on the passenger side has an issue, because it sounds like the window is down, but it isn't. Now I may have a dry Jeep, but it;'s so loud I have to take it back and have them fix the seal again.

I will try to reinstall the panels myself just to double check, but they appear to be on correctly.

I'm seeing a lot of people with leaks on here. Is it time for a sticky thread for leaks so we can really try to correct them once and for all?
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Updated repair

After standing over the leak guys shoulder and "helping" him locate the leak...again, he determined that the header seal was bad and replaced it. Rained lightly on the way to wotk from the dealership and it didn't leak, I will update after tomorrows hose test.
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Header seal... that's the one on top of the windshield.???
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Yes, that's the one. Hopefully you don't get the increased wind noise I did. Dry as a bone but loud as hell! Got to take it back and see what the heck is wrong.
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I am definitely hopeful that it is repaired, and I remembered the comment about wind noise, and I have been listening closely to it, nothing major yet. I may be hyper sensitive to it, every time I hear my auto climate control adjust its fan speed I turn the radio off to see if it is wind noise. Something has to go wrong! At this point the only thing I expect is that my meager expectations will fail to be met once again.
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Mine has never leaked but.... I got mine in November and it has rained a lot and been cold from day one.
My concern is: maybe mine hasn't leaked because it has never been off( freedom top) some the manufactures installed it and as soon as I do and replace back to best if my ability, I start having leak issues.
Besides reinstalling per manufactures recs., what can be applied to seals or done to safeguard or give a little 'leak' insurance?

I saw a few products mentioned, but no consensus it seems.

I will be researching this in the forum when I get some time


Good luck to all you 'leakers'
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All seams well with the header seal replaced, I would have swore that it was the door seal. Not a whole lot of steady rain yet, but it did pass a very liberal hose test.
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Excellent, knew you'd be fine.. thanks for the update.
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Removed my freedom tops to install the SPOD switch panel. Seemed like a good time to use silicone spray on all the rubber seals, replaced the freedom tops and buttoned everything back up. I think the trick is to keep the seals well treated with silicone SHIN ETSU lube and proper seal alignment when reinstalling the freedom tops.
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X2 on the Shin Etsu honda lube...
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X2 on the Shin Etsu honda lube...
Do you have to buy the Shin Etsu on line for does Honda retail it?

Best place to purchase?

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