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Old 11-06-2013, 03:00 PM   #1
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Run factory tires down or swap from the start

Sorry for the long post. I have been agonizing over this and have enough info where I wanted to get others input. I live in Idaho and have a JKUR on the way that will be a DD and weekend field Jeep. I am a little concerned ( without experience ) with the stock tires winter condition handling here in my area. Original plan was to move them to my new wheels, run them down and replace them. Now I am wondering if I should just pull them off and go with new ones from the start.

Doing a Teraflex 2.5 coil lift with Fox 2.0 shocks
Putting on Ultra Gauntlet wheels - 17 x 9

Couple questions for input / opinion:

1. Should I bite the aprox. 1000 dollar bullet and put new tires and sell the stock wheels and tires?

2. I planned on going to 33" when I ran down stocks. Either BFG A/T or Duratrac seems the Duratrac has way more choices than BFG and the only true 33" BFG is NOT severe snow rated. It seems there is only one BFG as an option? The Duratrac seems much cheaper, am I missing something? If I do this seems the Duratrac LT285/75R16 126/123P*E is the one to get or is there another?

BFG Max Load Tire Weight Sect Width Overall Diam Price
LT285/65R18 3640 lbs.* 60 lbs. 11.5"* 32.7"* $292.00
125/122R*E

Duratrac
LT285/75R16 3750 lbs.* 54 lbs. 11.3"* 33.1"* $212.00
126/123P*E

LT295/65R18 3860 lbs.* 58 lbs. 11.8"* 33.1"* $290.00
127/124P*E

LT285/60R20 3640 lbs.* 59 lbs. 11.5"* 33.5"* $361.00
125/122Q*E

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Old 11-06-2013, 03:08 PM   #2
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Whereabouts in Idaho? I am in Spokane. I vote selling your KM's before putting any miles on them whatsoever. If you are open to running different tires in the winter, first ask yourself if you will be doing some winter off-roading. If so, consider a straight AT as a good compromise. If not, get studded winter tires.

For summer, consider the Cooper STT, Toyo MT's, Trail Grapplers, etc. These are all very durable trail tires.

If you just want to get one year-round tire, Duratrac is probably the way to go.

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Old 11-06-2013, 03:16 PM   #3
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I live outside Boise in Middleton. Great input thanks! I get into some sloppy off road stuff early in the bird season then back off as Jan / Feb rolls around. Looking for the all around since I do not do anything hard core.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:21 PM   #4
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You sound like Duratracs probably hit the sweet spot for you. If you do a lot of rocky stuff you might see if the Cooper ST Maxx comes in a size that works for you, that is another sort of hybrid MT/AT that will probably hold up a little better than the Duratrac although the winter traction may not be as good.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:23 PM   #5
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Duratrac LT285/70R17 Load range D 54#.

Lighter, still a 33" and will ride better than an E.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:56 PM   #6
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See my thread I posted a few days ago. Lots of responses. I'm in Boise.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:13 PM   #7
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I just put a set of 285/70/17 Cooper ST/Maxx's on mine, and I've only owned the Jeep for all of three weeks. I would have done it sooner but I had to go out of town for a week. Get the stockers off as soon as you can and get on the tires you want - the more wear and mileage you put on the stock tires, the less you can get for them. Also, the STMaxx's are fantastic on road and off road tires. I was worried that they were going to be noisy and rough, but they are neither.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:37 AM   #8
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You will only keep the wrangler for a certain amount of time. The faster you put mods/tires on then the more value you will get out of them. In terms of $$$ spent divided by the number of days the wrangler is kept, you pay less per day for the mod the sooner you buy it.

On top of that, there is a 'fun' value that is difficult to translate to real $$$. But trust me its there, and its damn valuable.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:45 AM   #9
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Also take a look at Fierce Attitude tires [stupid name, I know]. They are made by Dunlop which is owned by Goodyear. They are a copy of the Duratracs and a little cheaper. Going with a 16" wheel with 285/75/16 tires will save you money versus 17" wheels and 285/70/17 tires.
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I'm in Lake Tahoe and we get plenty of snow. I sold our stock BFG Muds w/7k miles on them for $550.

I purchased the Duratracs to replace them for the exact same reason you are. I don't have room in my garage for a dedicated snow set. I've had the Duratracs and BFG A/T's on my previous Land Cruiser and FJ Cruiser and the Duratracs are much better in the snow. The BFG's will last a little longer but are not nearly as good in the snow IMO.
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:23 AM   #11
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I just put on the GYDT 285/75R16 on My jeep last night. Do not let the Load E rating scare you off. You might chose another tire for some other reason, but don't be put off by the load E rating.

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http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wha...im-362866.html

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Old 11-07-2013, 01:15 PM   #12
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Great feedback everyone thanks!! @ESA31.8T I have not had the Dura's. My experience with the BFG's was the same on a Titan I had here. I spun out in them in slush on the highway going around someone. Granted I did hit the gas a bit hard for the conditions but I did a 360 across all lanes of the highway. After that I was always shy with them and frequently had gripping issues with them still even when being careful.

@dpostman you have the E's and your thread was really helpful. Seems you are happy with them. Did you go load E rating for the price or for the higher load capacity? Good ride running them @ 28 - 30 psi as it seems most do with these?
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Old 11-07-2013, 01:19 PM   #13
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FWIW, your stock tires will outdo the Duratracs in mud any day of the week. The main reason to get tires now is b/c you plan on lifting your Jeep. Those stock KM's are great off-road.

If you want good mud performance during the spring/summer and good winter performance too, keep your stock KM's and get dedicated winter tires. If you are set on lifting your Jeep and want the best all-around tire for year-round usage, get the Duratracs or investigate ST Maxx (less info on these than Duratracs though).
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I got the "E" because in the size I wanted, there is only an "E" version. No "C" So before I bought them, I looked it up on this forum, and most people that actually used duratracs in a "E" version had no problems or ride comfort issues at all. I'm running 35psi right now, but I will try different pressures once they have a few miles on them. Might even be smart enough to try a chalk test. I'm really really liking the look of the Backspacing of the rim along with the slightly bigger than stock tire.

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thanks @i82much I agree the KM's are great off road and a dual tire option would be best. I am trying to get into just an all around though since I do not get into really nasty stuff frequently.
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Good luck wadingdog and have fun. Post up your experiences whatever route you choose to take. I think the mud has got to be pretty bad before the KM helps you in the summer and the ice has to be pretty bad before the studded snows will help you in the winter. So I think you will do well with just the Duratracs year-round.
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FWIW, your stock tires will outdo the Duratracs in mud any day of the week.
I'm hoping that the stock tires on the OP's rig are not the Wrangler SRA's. If so there is no way that they would outperform the Duratracs. I know from experience here in AZ.
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I've got a 2014 JKUR on the way, and am having the dealer put a 2.5" TF lift and 17" wheels with 315/70/17 Duratracs on it right away. They are giving me $500 credit for the stock wheels and tires, which is probably less than I could get on my own, but I'm doing it primarily for the convienence.

I picked the Duratracs after extensive reading on this site. Most of my off-roading will be on rocky trails in the mountains, and I like the severe snow rating of the DT's.
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I am confused, OP is asking about 16", 18", and 20" tires to fit on the 17" wheels he bought for the new Jeep, what am I missing?
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@jon snow I am going about the same path if I jump in with the tires. If so I will sell the takeoffs. They are regularly listed here on CL for 1200 dollars ( JKUR rims and tires ) if the dealer gave me credit I would take it for the convenience. My dealer has been totally awesome. He is doing my TF 2.5 coil lift, fox shocks, rims and tire swap. He was way more competitively priced than any of the local Off-Road shops. One of which would never respond or call back another that was nice and responsive but expensive.
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If you have Les Scwabb tires in your area they give great trade in allowance on new take offs. I have traded in two sets of new take offs (13 sport and 14 rubicon) and went with Toyo Open country at2's in LT285/70-17 and they do great in all kinds of conditions. I am in Missoula Montana and we get it all as far as conditions.
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I put 35x12.5x17 BFG KM2s on my JKUR with 2.5" TF lift about 2 weeks after I took possession. I sold the factory BFG M/Ts that come stock on the Rubies for $1000.00 (Tires only). They sold in about 2 weeks.

Definitely sell your tires ASAP to get the most $$.
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All thanks for the input!! I picked up 5 285/70R16 Duratrac's today. Should be here in about 3 days about the same time as the Jeep. I got them for $1300 - the $60 dollar rebate $1240 total. Hope that is a good price. Going to mount these to the Ultra Gauntlet 17x9 wheels with the TeraFlex 2.5" coil lift. Should be a great combo. As soon as its all done I will post some pictures.
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How can you mount an R16 tire on a 17inch wheel?
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@redskinswin HA/HA you can't! I have R16 so stuck in my head for some reason. I got 285/70R17 Duratrac's :/
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OK....good. I was a little concerned. :-) Wheel on!
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How can you mount an R16 tire on a 17inch wheel?
You push *really* hard. Good news is, don't need beadlocks.

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