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Old 01-28-2014, 08:02 PM   #1
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I'm sure I will get shot for saying this but ifs would't be the worst thing they could do...there have been a lot of capable off road vehicles with ifs

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It will be fine...it will drive a lot better, especially the 2-door. As long as people can still put bigger tires and lift it....
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They themselves will sign their death warrant...
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I do not understand why the US government thinks it needs to control every aspect of automobile design. The MPG requirements should be driven by the consumer not the government.
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The diesel part sounds great...
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I understand they HAVE to comply with the government guidelines, I hope they dont change it to the point that it alienates the Wrangler crowd and people stop buying new Wranglers. I dont know what to think about the IFS.
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2014 & 15 are going to be awesome for Wrangler sales numbers. If it ain't broke, why screw around with it? Lamborghini isn't redesigned to meet govt MPG goals.
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Sure looks a solid front axle.
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I do not understand why the US government thinks it needs to control every aspect of automobile design. The MPG requirements should be driven by the consumer not the government.
Low sulphur diesel, ethanol. Lack of common sense and environmental blindness have been the prevailing winds.


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Lamborghini isn't redesigned to meet govt MPG goals.
How many Wranglers are sold per year vs. how many Lambos?
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COOL, now my perfectly maintained, purely stock 2013 JK Sport S just got a bump in it's resale value!
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IFS will be the end of the Jeep. Everyone in the offroad world knows IFS blows. I've seen numerous solid axle swaps, never seen anyone swap out a solid for a IFS.

I don't like it.
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Sure looks a solid front axle.
i think thats just a stock image, or a prototype.

Im sure youll still be able to do anything you want to it, the after market companies will be going crazy trying to figure it out. They make a ton of money off of us, they wouldnt want to lose that.
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I do not understand why the US government thinks it needs to control every aspect of automobile design. The MPG requirements should be driven by the consumer not the government.
you could say that again...

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COOL, now my perfectly maintained, purely stock 2013 JK Sport S just got a bump in it's resale value!
every JK just jumped. hell every - everything did... this really well... it just sucks. ifs can work fine... but folks better get ready for a very different price tag to get the same lifts...
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Lamborghini isn't redesigned to meet govt MPG goals.
You are correct. The cost of not meeting it will be added to the cost of every vehicle they sell in the US. Feel free to look it up.


This is the same exact reason the big three were forced to redesign full size trucks for better mpg's. Not because consumers demanded it but because our wonderful government did.
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IFS will be the end of the Jeep. Everyone in the offroad world knows IFS blows. I've seen numerous solid axle swaps, never seen anyone swap out a solid for a IFS.

I don't like it.
Honestly most people who buy jeeps now days could care less since most of them never get wheeled. And trust me there is a huge growing trend in the higher end of the offroad world towards IFS, but I'm not talking about the douche bag factory type stuff.
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Honestly most people who buy jeeps now days could care less since most of them never get wheeled. And trust me there is a huge growing trend in the higher end of the offroad world towards IFS, but I'm not talking about the douche bag factory type stuff.
don't know much about ifs, but don't take much to figure that out that all the KOH guys seem to favor it for their rigs. (for the most part)...
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but folks better get ready for a very different price tag to get the same lifts...
I feel for you guys(mods). We have enough trouble with what lift...tires...shocks. Now it will be How tall can I go before I need aftermarket Upper A arms? Do my outer CV joints need boots?

Better yet. If I lower my center diff and put on longer shocks how big of tires can I run?
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Repeat after me...rumor and speculation. There is nothing in that article that is spoken with ANY certainty other than Marchionne wanting to shed weight and make the Wrangler more fuel efficient. Both things that are needed, and that can be accomplished without sacrificing the core competency of a vehicle. Look at the new F-150. 700lbs lighter, and more capable than the last generation. Innovation is key here or eventually you get left behind.
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Repeat after me...rumor and speculation. There is nothing in that article that is spoken with ANY certainty other than Marchionne wanting to shed weight and make the Wrangler more fuel efficient. Both things that are needed, and that can be accomplished without sacrificing the core competency of a vehicle. Look at the new F-150. 700lbs lighter, and more capable than the last generation. Innovation is key here or eventually you get left behind.
That 700lbs will mean a lot to Ford owners when they have to push their truck off the road.
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Repeat after me...rumor and speculation. There is nothing in that article that is spoken with ANY certainty other than Marchionne wanting to shed weight and make the Wrangler more fuel efficient. Both things that are needed, and that can be accomplished without sacrificing the core competency of a vehicle. Look at the new F-150. 700lbs lighter, and more capable than the last generation. Innovation is key here or eventually you get left behind.
why would you say they [shed weight and fuel economy] are needed? wranglers are and always will be fuel inefficient. and weight - well it's not a sports car. lighter generally means weaker parts with higher failure rates.

as has been said - that doesn't matter to most - but there are those of us that like the heavy solid axle, 11 mpg jeep wrangler.
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I sure hope this isn't it ?

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I don't know much about IFS. I am a new Wrangler owner. But it sounds bad. I'm thankful I bought it when I did.
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Because if they don't address fuel economy and weight, people will stop buying them. Remember, the general population has completely different priorities than the population that makes up this forum. We are a *VERY* small percentage of the pool of Wrangler buyers and I can guarantee you that most of the population WANTS better fuel economy. It's not that they will ever have 30mpg, but they have got to get it improved over what it is now.

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why would you say they [shed weight and fuel economy] are needed? wranglers are and always will be fuel inefficient. and weight - well it's not a sports car. lighter generally means weaker parts with higher failure rates.

as has been said - that doesn't matter to most - but there are those of us that like the heavy solid axle, 11 mpg jeep wrangler.
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If they build it we will buy it. A 7/8 size version of a jk with diesel will sell so fast make your head spin. IFS will kick ass for all but 5% of the hard core do it yourselfers. for most ifs will do more then most will have the balls to do. As long as it is able to fit 35's on it will be a killer. Sure the ifs is more complicated but compared to the computer controlled everything powertrain it is simple.

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