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Old 08-19-2011, 05:36 AM   #1
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Sahara or Rubi - that is the question

So here is my problem. I have never had a wrangler before (guilty as charged). I am trying to decide between the Sahara and the Rubicon (unlimited 4 door). I will not be doing any major off roading as I do not live in an area that would provide me with this luxury. However I do live in an area where we get snow, and lots of it, for 5-6 months out of the year. Why is it the Rubi does not include the same soft top that the Safari has where you can remove the one section to have it look like a sunroof (grrrr). I certainly like the axles/gearing better in the Rubi than the Safari but I don't know if I need it. I do plan on installing a 2.5" lift and still deciding between 33's or 35's. Typically I mod the heck out of my vehicles but this one I just want to do some basic mods without compromising ride quality and hope it lasts for 10 years.

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Both would do fine in snow. I might give a slight edge to the rubi with the lockers, but in some cases in snow/ice lockers can cause steering and handling issues. They are for the most part two very different jeep packages. If you want a more fancy JK, get the sahara, if you want less fancy with more rugged then get the rubi. For me if the price was the same or close I would get the rubi.

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They both include the exact same soft top or hard top, or both. Both can be equiped the same as far as luxury items. the difference is in the off road capability and features. It sounds to me like you'd be better off and happier, with the Sahara. The Sahara's stock tires are actually more likely better in the snow than the Rubicon.
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They both include the exact same soft top or hard top, or both. Both can be equiped the same as far as luxury items. the difference is in the off road capability and features. It sounds to me like you'd be better off and happier, with the Sahara. The Sahara's stock tires are actually more likely better in the snow than the Rubicon.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:39 AM   #5
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I will not be doing any major off roading as I do not live in an area that would provide me with this luxury.
Get the Sahara then.
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You might find that if you get a Rubi you won't need additional mods. The top options are the same. Based upon what you stated you would use it for a lift might not do anything for you. If you want ride quality with a capable JK stick to a Sahara with stock tires. If you want to up the capability get a Rubi. If you get the Rubi stick with the 4.10's. You will get a little better gas mileage with a stock Sahara, unless you change the tires and lift it. It sounds like a Rubi would be all the mods you need. Test drive both and decide. I have a 10 Rubi and don't feel the need to swap out perfectly good tires, which are good in the snow, or the need to lift it unless the "look" is what I wanted. There was no need to do it. The 4.10's, lockers, 6spd and power everything is what we wanted, the best of all worlds for us. A winch, off road bumpers, mesh grill, tail lamp guards, dual cat back exhaust, head lamp and horn upgrades didn't hurt either. You can do a lot without having to lift. Good luck.
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I have never had a wrangler before (guilty as charged). I am trying to decide between the Sahara and the Rubicon (unlimited 4 door). I will not be doing any major off roading as I do not live in an area that would provide me with this luxury. However I do live in an area where we get snow, and lots of it, for 5-6 months out of the year. . . . . .
You'd be fine with either. Other than coming with better tires, the Rubi generally doesn't do any better in the snow than a Sahara. The lone exception would be if you frequently drive through very deep snow, in which case the Rubi's lockers would be helpful. Other than that, you'd be better off going with a Sahara with the limited slip differential (better for typical winter weather) and just getting some better tires.

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Why is it the Rubi does not include the same soft top that the Safari has where you can remove the one section to have it look like a sunroof (grrrr).
I pulled this quote out to address directly. You're wrong. They come with the same top options, you just have the tops mixed up.

The soft top (which comes stock with any Wrangler) can fold either halfway back or all the way back, essentially acting either like a sunroof or just an outright convertable.

The hard top (which you can either get instead of or in addition to the soft top on any Wrangler) allows you to remove two front panels above the driver and passenger (like a sunroof) or remove it completely (like a convertable).
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having had a 2007 Sahara 6 speed with the 3:21 rear and now the 2012 RUBICON 6 speed with the 4:10 rear end, i like the Rubi. That said, the ONLY thing i didn't like about my Sahara was the feeling of being underpowered. If you get a new 2012 Sahara you will probly be satisfied except i don't think it comes with the 4:10 rear but i don't think it has the 3:21 any more eitehr. Sahara used to be the Luxury model, now as mentioned earlier, you can get just about anyghing on either one....to include color matching tops and fenders.

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LSD will be better for a daily driver in rain or snow. Rubi for offroading.
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If you get a new 2012 Sahara you will probly be satisfied except i don't think it comes with the 4:10 rear . . . .
To be clear, you have 4.10 front AND rear. The ratios have to match.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. That did clear up a few things for me. Regardless of what I go with I would want to lift it and replace the tires/rims. I always have to mod the looks of my vehicles to set mine apart from the others I see in the area (I know, it's an addiction).
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You'd be fine with either. Other than coming with better tires, the Rubi generally doesn't do any better in the snow than a Sahara. The lone exception would be if you frequently drive through very deep snow, in which case the Rubi's lockers would be helpful. Other than that, you'd be better off going with a Sahara with the limited slip differential (better for typical winter weather) and just getting some better tires.
How often would anyone be on the road in snow in 4L? The Rubicon lockers only engage in 4L. AT's generally do better in the snow than MT's.
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How often would anyone be on the road in snow in 4L? The Rubicon lockers only engage in 4L. AT's generally do better in the snow than MT's.
I mean DEEP snow. As in your wheels are hardly visible and you're only going a few miles per hour. Nor'easter type of conditions. 18" plus type of snow. My understanding--admittedly, no personal experience on this one--is that this is about the only winter weather situation where lockers are "better" than an LSD. If it's just a few inches, "mixed preciptation," or freezing rain, etc., then lockers are worse than an open diff, you don't want them, and you wouldn't be in 4L anyway.

I've heard that general rule about ATs and MTs too. My recollection though is the general sense among some of the tire buffs here is that the Rubi's MTs do better than the Sahara's ATs for snow . . . I feel like I saw maybe Hilldweller mention something along those lines once . . . . Could be wrong though. Again, no personal experience. I've got the Rubi BFGs and they did fine last winter, but I've never tried the Sahara ATs.
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What does a NC lawyer know about snow? This was 34" in February 2010.

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What does a NC lawyer know about snow? This was 34" in February 2010.
Love that photo . . . .

I'm actually FROM Connecticut, I only came to NC to go to undergrad and decided to stick around.

I can remember not having school cancelled because there was "only" 10" of snow. Down here, 2" is a statewide emergency.
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What does a NC lawyer know about snow? This was 34" in February 2010.

That looks like wet snow.... ughhhhhhh We typically get 7% water content, unless it comes in southerly, then it can be 17% and a mess!
btw.... I use 4wheel low to go down my hill in the spring. That way I don't have to touch my brakes.... 'cause with melt/freeze in spring it can be an ice skating rink.... girlfriend and husband have both slid down... not a pretty ending to either. She drives a Rubi (but doesn't understand ice - she slid backwards down the hill and the snowbank downhill stopped her). He drives a Toyota Tacoma, and thought - well, don't know what he thought. He slid forwards down the hill into her Rubi Really wasn't funny, but (it really was ' cause I asked him to *walk* down to help her)

To the OP.... get them to put a decent all terrain tire on. NOT those Goodyear SR/A's. It's my understanding those ome tires suck in snow and wet roads. Just switched mine out yesterday. I live at 8000" in the Wasatch Mountains - Northern Utah... Maybe even think about asking for 17" wheels instead of the 18's that I think are stock? For future tire purchases...
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Love that photo . . . .

I'm actually FROM Connecticut, I only came to NC to go to undergrad and decided to stick around.

I can remember not having school cancelled because there was "only" 10" of snow. Down here, 2" is a statewide emergency.
Holy chit mike.... Your from CT?

You mean-- I can one day meet you

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Love that photo . . . .

I'm actually FROM Connecticut, I only came to NC to go to undergrad and decided to stick around.

I can remember not having school cancelled because there was "only" 10" of snow. Down here, 2" is a statewide emergency.
Actually the threat of 2" is considered an emergency here. I actually like stopping by the grocery store to get some beer when they predict snow. It's worth the wait in line to see the terror inflicted by the weatherman.

I grew up in Indiana, so I'm used to everyone driving faster when it's snowing.
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Holy chit mike.... Your from CT?

You mean-- I can one day meet you

Where about?

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In person I'm just like I am here, but 4" taller and more dashingly handsome.

Bolton. Itty-bitty town near Manchester. Swing back up there sometimes to see family . . . maybe again this fall or spring.

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Actually the threat of 2" is considered an emergency here. I actually like stopping by the grocery store to get some beer when they predict snow. It's worth the wait in line to see the terror inflicted by the weatherman.
It's ridiculous. Upon the suggestion of snow, there's immediately no bread or milk in any grocery store. As if snow--in any quantity--means we all need sandwiches and Oreos.
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In person I'm just like I am here, but 4" taller and more dashingly handsome.

Bolton. Itty-bitty town near Manchester. Swing back up there sometimes to see family . . . maybe again this fall or spring.

It's ridiculous. Upon the suggestion of snow, there's immediately no bread or milk in any grocery store. As if snow--in any quantity--means we all need sandwiches and Oreos.
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Well this is what I deal with each year After spending all night shovelling I wake up to this. I figured after I dug out the 1500 I should take a picture of my other truck that is still buried. Took 2 days to dig the driveway out.

I plan on putting DuraTrac's on the Jeep.
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go with a Sport ! save the money and mod what you want or Rubi-
I am not a fan of the painted fender flares...( that just says scratch me... )

all Jeeps will/should have no problem w/ snow....

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