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Old 09-01-2011, 09:06 PM   #31
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You should try out a truck that size with a gas engine and then decide. I can't think of any semi's, large tractors, or freight trains that run on gas. I would love to have a diesel land cruiser or other 4X4 that is easily had in nearly any other country (including the great white north) but the US has not taken to them. Oh well. I have a gas JK and probably will for a while.

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Old 09-01-2011, 09:09 PM   #32
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Ok, no problem here

Seeing diesel talk is like seen the 3.6 talk before it became reality in the wrangler this year (or next) eh-whatever. Lol

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I know I might be jumping the gun a little,but its nice to see what kind of opinions we get.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:30 PM   #35
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Ha I like the way you think....
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Like I said earlier, just bought my 07 and will be paid off in 3 yrs. That's like what 15ish down on a diesel yippppyyy
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Ah, I can't wait till you're out crawling in the boonies---top off/doors off 3/4 mph, next to a beautiful stream and--


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Like I said earlier, just bought my 07 and will be paid off in 3 yrs. That's like what 15ish down on a diesel yippppyyy
The smell of diesel oil just Heightens your "enjoyment" of the environment--

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Ah, I can't wait till you're out crawling in the boonies---top off/doors off 3/4 mph, next to a beautiful stream and--

The smell of diesel oil just Heightens your "enjoyment" of the environment--

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. maybe we can get a prius powered jeep.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. maybe we can get a prius powered jeep.
U mean ours does not have the same engine as a prius?
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:38 PM   #41
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Ah, I can't wait till you're out crawling in the boonies---top off/doors off 3/4 mph, next to a beautiful stream and--




The smell of diesel oil just Heightens your "enjoyment" of the environment--

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Well Jimbox you could always use biodiesel and smell like old french fries...
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Heh Heh--and how many calories are in that ??


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Well Jimbox you could always use biodiesel and smell like old french fries...
True, the newer diesels are quieter(?) now, but the stink is still there, especially in an open vehicle--just idling along slowly--

It's just not for me people !!

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Old 09-02-2011, 08:41 AM   #43
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On the 2009 and up VW TDIs "clean diesels" you cant smell much of anything.
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I drive a diesel when I am in europe...and on the new engines there is no smell. But honestly I miss that!
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:16 AM   #46
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So you guys are saying that with the NEW diesels, you can go back to the exhaust pipe and you can't smell the diesel ???


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I drive a diesel when I am in europe...and on the new engines there is no smell. But honestly I miss that!
I findit hard to believe, cause I can smell a new Dodge ram, when it drives by !and hearit!

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I'm a diesel fan, but when I take into account the higher cost of buying a diesel, the higher fuel costs (offset by better mpg?), more complex emission controls, more expensive to repair, and probably the need to add exhaust fluid at every oil change, I'm skeptical. I'll have to see it for myself before I make a decision. The added torque will be a huge benefit, but for me, I don't know if the added torque outweighs the disadvantages.
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So you guys are saying that with the NEW diesels, you can go back to the exhaust pipe and you can't smell the diesel ???
In a nutshell, our 2009 TDI has a high pressure fuel system that bypasses what fuel isnt needed back into the fuel tank (no black cloud of unburnt fuel) and its sophisticated exhaust which uses a DPF (no urea) leaves only a mild aroma that smells nothing like diesel. My highly tuned Corvette stinks more actually.
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---WOW-- thanx for that, good to know how much you guys are gonna loveit !!


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In a nutshell, our 2009 TDI has a high pressure fuel system that bypasses what fuel isnt needed back into the fuel tank (no black cloud of unburnt fuel) and its sophisticated exhaust which uses a DPF (no urea) leaves only a mild aroma that smells nothing like diesel. My highly tuned Corvette stinks more actually.
Not me though, I always enjoyed the smell of my Corvettes and big block Dodges-

Fuel alley, has alwys smelled like aviation/racing fuel and I hope I don't have to be exposed to the backgroud diesel smell, in any group jeep holdups !!

That what makes the world go round though !

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Confirmed 2013 Grand Cherokee getting new turbo diesel option. Keeping my fingers crossed..
2011 Grand Cherokee got the Penstar = 2012 Wrangler got the Penstar

then.......one would deduce that....

2013 Grand Cherokee gets the turbo diesel = 2014 Wrangler gets the turbo diesel.

Sounds like perfect logic to me.

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I'm a diesel fan, but when I take into account the higher cost of buying a diesel, the higher fuel costs (offset by better mpg?), more complex emission controls, more expensive to repair, and probably the need to add exhaust fluid at every oil change, I'm skeptical. I'll have to see it for myself before I make a decision. The added torque will be a huge benefit, but for me, I don't know if the added torque outweighs the disadvantages.
Depends on the application. I have a small car diesel currently and will agree that while i'm getting 42+ mpgs in my daily driving, there are gasoline based vehicles that are getting closer to this number and are cheaper to purchase. In truck applications it's different since the gasoline engines just can't get the same mileage as a equivalent diesel engines. I'm not talking about big pickups and such. In the jeep it seems they are getting 25 mpgs in europe. That's a big jump even if its only 5 mpgs.
I will also agree that these bullshit emissions systems are making diesels just not worth purchasing because they add complexity or cost. The urea injection is actually the cheapest and least complex system. The Diesel particulate filters are the problem. In the TDI engines (no urea injection) you are looking at a really expensive ($2K) to replace DPF should it break down outside of warranty. The real advantage of diesels IMO is alternative fuels.There are so many different directions to go with alternative fuels for diesel engines. The other end is removing the emission systems. My state only does safety checks on all diesels and its a CARB state. I know the big diesel trucks have entire bypass systems for removing the DPF from their systems.
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I'm a diesel fan, but when I take into account the higher cost of buying a diesel, the higher fuel costs (offset by better mpg?), more complex emission controls, more expensive to repair, and probably the need to add exhaust fluid at every oil change, I'm skeptical. I'll have to see it for myself before I make a decision. The added torque will be a huge benefit, but for me, I don't know if the added torque outweighs the disadvantages.
I agree with you, I'm a diesel nut through and through, the kind that has modified his 3/4 ton diesel to run 11's in the 1/4 mile.

I'd love a diesel jeep if they could figure out the emissions. When a brand new vehicle is unreliable b/c of the emissions equipment on it I can see spending the money.
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why not do your own conversion for way less.
Because emissions control.
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Because emissions control.
Yep.

I'm not familiar with all the regulatory crap, but I suspect the conversion of a (relatively) new gasoline vehicle to a diesel is probably unlawful.

As far as I know, there's no shop offering a JK diesel conversion as anything other than a one off special request. Google it. See how many places you find and compare that to how many offer Hemi swaps.

There's a reason all those Hemi swap places don't offer diesel options.
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We have had the turbo diesel since the 2007 model as an option. The UK has only the diesel version.

In many countries diesel is still significantly cheaper than petrol, here for some reason its more expensive (petrol ~ $1.40 / litre, diesel ~$1.60 / litre) and the diesel option is $5k dearer.

When the diesel first came out they were available in auto or manual. Many people had problems with the clutch burning out quite quickly (less than 50,000km), but when the clutch wears out it damages the surface of the flywheel normally so you would normally just machine it, however it has a dual mass flywheel which pretty much no one will machine, so you have to buy the whole kit. OK, no probs, except Jep Australia charge over $5,000 for the kit. We could buy it from overseas, but Chrysler US has put an embargo on any other country selling them into Australia to keep Chrysler Australia's exhorbidant profit margins alive (our base model JK is about $35,000 US).

To reduce the clutch burnout problem the later models had the motor detuned in the manuals, but the problem still persisted.

Now you can only get an auto...

We have since discovered the clutch assembly is used on other vehicles like Mercedes, which we can order from the UK for about $2k delivered to Australia!

Anyways, bottom line, those that have them down here love them. I would have got one, but the extra cost (bout $40k US starting point) I could not justify.
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Yep.

I'm not familiar with all the regulatory crap, but I suspect the conversion of a (relatively) new gasoline vehicle to a diesel is probably unlawful.

As far as I know, there's no shop offering a JK diesel conversion as anything other than a one off special request. Google it. See how many places you find and compare that to how many offer Hemi swaps.

There's a reason all those Hemi swap places don't offer diesel options.
Yeah, only motor swaps allowed in emissions controlled areas are same fuel type to same fuel type, so gas to gas or diesel to diesel. And the doner vehicle motor has to come out of a similar vehicle, so SUV to SUV, and it has to be the same model year or newer motor while still maintaining all emissions equipment that came on the motor that is going in.

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