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Old 11-09-2012, 10:40 PM   #61
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I have USAA also. They allowed me to increase the coverage to cover my aftermarket parts, but it raised my premium a little. So not sure why they are telling you all otherwise... ? It can be done unless they changed their policies since March 2012.

As for the spare tire, it isn't a duratrac, it is a 35" Nitto Trail Grappler on a Fuel Hostage wheel. It helped absorb alot of the impact, but I think the solid built Hanson Offroad bumpers I have installed is what really saved me. Also, the chromoly arms on my Rubicon Express long arm kit are said to have absorbed alot of the impact along the frame according to some suspension experts I spoke to.

I took a closer look a the seat mounts today, and to my surprise, the actual legs deformed on the rear seat and bent forward, and my front seat rails failed, not the floor brackets. Basically, my front seat broke internally along the adjustment tracks from the impact. Still a bad thing that I may have to call Jeep about.

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whoa.. that bumper saved the day. imagine without it, the impact could have ruptured the fuel tank and poof. out with a bang, Ford Pinto fashion.

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I have USAA also. They allowed me to increase the coverage to cover my aftermarket parts, but it raised my premium a little. So not sure why they are telling you all otherwise... ? It can be done unless they changed their policies since March 2012.

As for the spare tire, it isn't a duratrac, it is a 35" Nitto Trail Grappler on a Fuel Hostage wheel. It helped absorb alot of the impact, but I think the solid built Hanson Offroad bumpers I have installed is what really saved me. Also, the chromoly arms on my Rubicon Express long arm kit are said to have absorbed alot of the impact along the frame according to some suspension experts I spoke to.

I took a closer look a the seat mounts today, and to my surprise, the actual legs deformed on the rear seat and bent forward, and my front seat rails failed, not the floor brackets. Basically, my front seat broke internally along the adjustment tracks from the impact. Still a bad thing that I may have to call Jeep about.
On the insurance it depends on your state, or at least that is what I was told. Has to do with the laws within that state if they will/have to cover aftermarket or not.

The seat thing is still a bit unsettling. If I were you I'd report it to them.

I don't know how much weight I've added to our Jeeps but this has reinforced a gas mileage be dammed attitude in my mind. It just might save your life.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:11 AM   #64
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Keep in mind, the spare went through the rear and pushed the rear seat forward. That's alot of force from a semi doing 45 mph or so, especially when I was almost at a standstill doing 5mph.
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Glad you're alive. Did any air bags deploy?
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OH SHIT! Glad you're okay!

...Here's how I wound up with my Jeep. I got mine after we were rearended by a vehicle Mercury Milan traveling at 55-60 mph. Yeah, we stopped for the stopped traffic, he didn't. We were the first "sandwich" in a five-car pileup this asshole caused. We were no fewer than about 30 feet away from the bumper of the vehicle in front of us when we were hit...this gives you an idea of the impact.






This is what happens when a Subaru Impreza is hit by a semi...

I've actually talked to the guy before on a forum. He also bought from the same dealer where I got my old STi.

Apparently he saw the semi in his rear window, "knew" he was done for, and had the intelligence to recline his seat all the way. He was sandwiched between two semis. He reclined his seat so he'd be "presentable" to his parents at his funeral...

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Glad to see you're around to post these pictures. Your Jeep definitely saved your life. Thank you for posting. This provides some valuable insight:

1) Longer wheelbase is a good thing.
2) Mods are not an option. They are a necessity.
3) I need to convince my husband to let me regear our Jeep so we can put bigger tires on it...
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That'll buff out

Seriously though, glad you're ok. That's a serious crash. I've been in my fair share but never one with a semi.
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That'll buff out

Seriously though, glad you're ok. That's a serious crash. I've been in my fair share but never one with a semi.
Me neither, and hope I never am! I don't think a crash with a semi is a battle most people win...
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You can see the force of the impact through the jeep. The grill now looks more aerodynamic! Hanson should should give you a discount in return for using your jeep for an advertising example of their product quality. Glad your ok, and congratulations on the new jeep.
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I have a 2013 jku on order now. Ordered it to get the side curtain airbags. Kind of hard to find one on the lot with side airbags that wasn't loaded up. Think these bumpers will be one of the first mods. I was going to get a rear hitch anyways. Glad you made it out alive. Safety first. Heaven can wait.
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I had all the modifications covered up to $20,000 for a slight increase in my policy. But since the semi is at fault, his insurance covered my loss 100% for everything (Jeep, aftermarket parts, labor, items in Jeep that were ruined or dirty from accident), plus gave me an additional $13,000 to help me get another vehicle. Once I am done with my medical treatments, my attorney will help me settle on the personal injury portion of my claim. Thank god it was only me in the Jeep, because anyone else might of been seriously hurt or killed. Especially in the back seat!
Thank God for that, and best wishes to you and your family. Very good thing you were in your Jeep.

Here is an incident I remember very vividly as I too had Vette, and would go to the same meets as this fellow. It was later determined that the semi truck driver fell asleep and never hit the brakes until after impact.

Huntington Beach Man Dies in Crash - Los Angeles Times
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Glad your ok!! Post pics of your 2013 when you get it!!
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A semi which probably had a trailer full of stuff totaling alot of weight hits the Jeep at 45mph is crazy. That is a massive amount of kinetic energy at impact and this JKU looked pretty good considering what hit them is amazing. Makes me happy to be driving one myself. I'm always looking behind me for situations like this so I can pull off and let someone else take the hit. Getting hit like that is something I hope to never happen to me and my kids. Glad to see you made it out ok.
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I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm wondering if the bumpers really did have an affect, as everyone is mentioning.

The fact of the matter is, automotive safety is a hot button for a lot of people. Auto-makers are always touting good safety records when they can... rightfully so.

All cars must meet specific safety requirements, but don't you think Jeep would put steel bumpers from the factory if they could so easily improve its ratings?

I think in a low-speed impact, yes, the steel bumpers will save you the hassle of replacing the plastic ones, which will deform by design.

However, in a high-speed impact, you want things to deform so they can absorb the energy. The plastic bumpers are designed to crumple and transfer the energy to the cross member and ultimately to the frame, so the passengers don't absorb it.

If the bumper doesn't deform, something else will.

Again, so glad the OP is fine and is getting made whole. I'm also no crash safety expert, so I could easily be wrong.

I'm just not so convinced that installing steel bumpers improves a Jeep's high-speed crash safety much.

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I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm wondering if the bumpers really did have an affect, as everyone is mentioning.

The fact of the matter is, automotive safety is a hot button for a lot of people. Auto-makers are always touting good safety records when they can... rightfully so.

All cars must meet specific safety requirements, but don't you think Jeep would put steel bumpers from the factory if they could so easily improve its ratings?

I think in a low-speed impact, yes, the steel bumpers will save you the hassle of replacing the plastic ones, which will deform by design.

However, in a high-speed impact, you want things to deform so they can absorb the energy. The plastic bumpers are designed to crumple and transfer the energy to the cross member and ultimately to the frame, so the passengers don't absorb it.

If the bumper doesn't deform, something else will.

Again, so glad the OP is fine and is getting made whole. I'm also no crash safety expert, so I could easily be wrong.

I'm just not so convinced that installing steel bumpers improves a Jeep's high-speed crash safety much.

Fair argument. And I see your thought process. Something has to accept and decelerate the energy, which is going to take the path of least resistance.
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I'll tell you what, if that spare tire was mounted on the tailgate only, it would of been wedged in my back. The way the square metal tubing on the rear carrier was spread around the back of the spare helped absorb alot of that energy from the semi, thus imbedding it into my tailgate and rear of hardtop. Had there not been the square metal tubing, and hi-lift jack behind the spare, it would of been alot worse And as you can see the rear bumper took the hit, and sent the energy through my frame instead of allowing the semi to continue through the tub of the Jeep. The front bumper kept the front of my JKU intact during impact with the second car, preventing any serious injuries or damage to my legs, face, arms, etc.. So I still believe the bumpers saved me. I am sure I paid for it during the impact with more explosive force inside the Jeep due to the bumpers not "giving" like the stock plastic ones would. But I would rather be shaken up, then crushed.
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Glad you are ok... the jeep can be replaced
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I've been thinking about this a bit and I'm wondering if the bumpers really did have an affect, as everyone is mentioning.

The fact of the matter is, automotive safety is a hot button for a lot of people. Auto-makers are always touting good safety records when they can... rightfully so.

All cars must meet specific safety requirements, but don't you think Jeep would put steel bumpers from the factory if they could so easily improve its ratings?
have you seen the materials that make the stock bumper? IMO, these are 5mph bumpers. You can brush up against a bush and your stockers will dent! Going up against a semi, I'd choose steel over plastic and sheet metal anyday!

Its not that easy for Jeep to install heavy duty steel bumpers as stock. It would cost them a lot more for the raw materials, plus with the added weight will come worse performance and gas mileage. I'm sure they did the cost/benefit analysis and went with the cheap plastic bumpers.
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So very gald you are ok. Is the Jeep Totaled? You wouldnt happen to have a 430N in the dash of that wrecked jeep that you would want to take out and sell on the cheap would you?

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have you seen the materials that make the stock bumper? IMO, these are 5mph bumpers. You can brush up against a bush and your stockers will dent! Going up against a semi, I'd choose steel over plastic and sheet metal anyday!
I have, and it's designed that way for a reason. Yes, they deform like tissue paper so you don't.

Remember the cars of the fifties? They had big steel bumpers and thick sheet metal all over. You could drive them into a brick wall and the car would be fine.

Unfortunately, someone else would need to drive it home because anyone inside would have been thrown into the dash quite violently.

Now, I'll concede that the rear tire carrier probably took a lot of the energy and transferred it down to the bumper and ultimately the frame. Without that, it's conceivable that the hard top would have been tasked with that. Yikes!

If the bumper and frame don't absorb that energy, something else will. That's one of the main reasons they are made that way.

As far as the difficulty in adding steel bumpers from the factory, it could easily be as an option, much like side airbags. Part of a "Safety Package."

So, I still contend that steel bumpers offer no real safety benefits over the stock bumpers in a high impact collision. In a fender bender, that's a different story.

But I'm open to have my mind changed.

I'd love it to be that easy to add safety... I hate the stock bumpers and would love something beefier. I just have no need to at this point. If data can confirm increased safety from steel bumpers, then...

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good god. look at your frame in the left rear wheel well.

thank god for that steel armor and tire back there, couldve been WAY worse! real glad to see youre still here.
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God bless,im glad your ok,and thank you for protecting our country,i also beleave jeep makes a good product,but there bumpers are junk.I have the lift on mine and the stonger bumpers are coming.I am glad this is one of those "happy ending stories"with your life being spared.
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I have, and it's designed that way for a reason. Yes, they deform like tissue paper so you don't.

Remember the cars of the fifties? They had big steel bumpers and thick sheet metal all over. You could drive them into a brick wall and the car would be fine.

Unfortunately, someone else would need to drive it home because anyone inside would have been thrown into the dash quite violently.

Now, I'll concede that the rear tire carrier probably took a lot of the energy and transferred it down to the bumper and ultimately the frame. Without that, it's conceivable that the hard top would have been tasked with that. Yikes!

If the bumper and frame don't absorb that energy, something else will. That's one of the main reasons they are made that way.

As far as the difficulty in adding steel bumpers from the factory, it could easily be as an option, much like side airbags. Part of a "Safety Package."

So, I still contend that steel bumpers offer no real safety benefits over the stock bumpers in a high impact collision. In a fender bender, that's a different story.

But I'm open to have my mind changed.

I'd love it to be that easy to add safety... I hate the stock bumpers and would love something beefier. I just have no need to at this point. If data can confirm increased safety from steel bumpers, then...

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You are looking at this all wrong. You need to look at it as a multi car accident. Most new cars are unibody with built in crumple zones, those will absorb the impact and the vehicle with the steel frame and bumpers will use that plastic bumpers and unibody vehicle to transfer the impact as they crumple. Now if you run into a concrete block with your steel frame and bumper you are going to be hurting. I am more worried about other drivers than concrete blocks. In two years when my daughter turns 16 you can bet she will have a Jeep with steel bumpers, so if someone runs into her or she into them they will know it.
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wow! Glad you are ok. Probably one of few people to say you walked away form getting hit by semi!
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Remember the cars of the fifties? They had big steel bumpers and thick sheet metal all over. You could drive them into a brick wall and the car would be fine.
I agree, I'm not going to say one is better than the other but there is a reason why steel bumpers no longer comes on cars besides the weight.

Its hard to compare to what would have happened with a stock Jeep as no two accidents are alike.
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glad your ok man. horrible to see such a well build jeep that banged up but all the tech and work saved your life!
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OH SHIT! Glad you're okay!

...Here's how I wound up with my Jeep. I got mine after we were rearended by a vehicle Mercury Milan traveling at 55-60 mph. Yeah, we stopped for the stopped traffic, he didn't. We were the first "sandwich" in a five-car pileup this asshole caused. We were no fewer than about 30 feet away from the bumper of the vehicle in front of us when we were hit...this gives you an idea of the impact.






This is what happens when a Subaru Impreza is hit by a semi...

I've actually talked to the guy before on a forum. He also bought from the same dealer where I got my old STi.

Apparently he saw the semi in his rear window, "knew" he was done for, and had the intelligence to recline his seat all the way. He was sandwiched between two semis. He reclined his seat so he'd be "presentable" to his parents at his funeral...

http://www.youtube.com/v/_2B79xkOa7I
Honestly, this looks like it worked as intended. The vehicle's crumple zones are designed to be the back third (trunk) of the car, as well as the front third (engine) of the vehicle. The pictures you posted actually looks good because neither the front or the back windshields were shattered, meaning the crumple zones soften the blow enough that the cabin itself was not severely affected.

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I'll tell you what, if that spare tire was mounted on the tailgate only, it would of been wedged in my back. The way the square metal tubing on the rear carrier was spread around the back of the spare helped absorb alot of that energy from the semi, thus imbedding it into my tailgate and rear of hardtop. Had there not been the square metal tubing, and hi-lift jack behind the spare, it would of been alot worse And as you can see the rear bumper took the hit, and sent the energy through my frame instead of allowing the semi to continue through the tub of the Jeep. The front bumper kept the front of my JKU intact during impact with the second car, preventing any serious injuries or damage to my legs, face, arms, etc.. So I still believe the bumpers saved me. I am sure I paid for it during the impact with more explosive force inside the Jeep due to the bumpers not "giving" like the stock plastic ones would. But I would rather be shaken up, then crushed.
The most important question here is: did the air bag deploy? This thread actually prompted me to sign up just to ask this question. While I understand a reinforced bumper is great at preventing damages to the Jeep itself while off-roading, it may actually hinder the manufacturer's intended design for safety. As the saying goes, there are three impacts in any given car crash. 1. The vehicles' impact. 2. The person to vehicle impact. 3. The internal organs impact to the ribs/muscles inside you. If the vehicle itself doesn't crumple at the rear or the engine bay to soften the blow (luckily it did), and you didn't hit (face plant into the windshield) the vehicle, then chances are your internal organs took the majority of the kinetic energy. Luckily, it does seem like your rear softened most of the blow.

While every crash IS different, I don't think a mangled front of the Jeep would necessarily mean a mangled cabin and legs for you. But the main question I have for you still is, did the airbags deploy?
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Thanks for all the comments everyone. As for your question Kappaknight, the airbags didn't deploy. The on scene folks said it was probably due to the fact I had heavy duty bumpers. Vehicle airbags are not meant to deploy until a sufficient amount of force or impact is applied to the area of the vehicle that contains the sensors. The force of the impact has to meet or exceed the predetermined set point for deployment. My front bumper barely had a few scratches, even though it tore through the rear of that toyota corolla. So the sensors probably never reached that set point to cause airbag deployment in front. Had the semi hit me on the side, my side airbags in the seats would of deployed. If I had hit something head on first, I am sure the front airbags would of gone off.

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