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Old 12-09-2007, 03:01 PM   #1
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Shifting into 6th Gear

I'm willing to bet "it's just me," but I'm having trouble shifting into 6th gear.

I've been driving "standard shift" vehicles for YEARS, but I noted that when I get up to 60 mph and try to go to 6th, either:

A) I'm hitting the land between 4th and 6th

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B) There is a problem with the transmission and
it's not permitting me to go into 6th without
a fight.

-Do I have to have a higher mph, before
attempting 6th gear?

-Is this really a "tranny" problem I should have
looked at by my local Service guru's?

-What are the probabilities of me dumping it into
reverse by mistake, (perhaps the reason for
pulling more toward the 4th gear and hitting
the hump in between 4th and 6th?

I need some experienced "Wrangler" drivers to talk about the shift into 6th, and the "feel" factor, and the probability (although I believe slim) of actually dumping it into "Reverse" by mistake.

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Old 12-10-2007, 09:30 AM   #2
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Going into 6th

This is my first JEEP and my first 6-speed, but I have a lot of experience 5-speeds. Although it doesn't feel natural to go into 6th, I don't have a problem. I can go into 6th at 60mph without a problem. I find that I have to be on a fairly flat road to avoid bogging down at that speed though.

The chances of you going into reverse are pretty slim. I just keep pressure to the right and slide it down from 5th into 6th. You'd have to pause and add much more pressure to get it over for reverse, so don't let that change your shifting style.

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Might be worth getting it looked at, I have heard they had some problems with some early 6 speeds bending the shifter forks, could be the same thing starting here. Probably worth having them take a look before you wind up w/ the tranny trashed!
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Old 12-10-2007, 01:23 PM   #4
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Most trannies have safety mechanisms to prevent accidentally shifting into Reverse at speed.
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Old 12-10-2007, 06:05 PM   #5
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Ya dude, I just give it a little pressure to the right, not enough to throw it into reverse, but enough to get it away from the 4th gate, and it goes in nice and smooth. 2nd is the only garbage gear in my 6spd, and it was like that in my 5spd. Dunno why, but 2nd in a jeep is NEVER nice and easy You really have to follow the H pattern and get it over with some muscle to get reverse, let alone at speed. Just shift it diagonal like you were going 3rd to 4th, and you should have a problem. If its still hard, take it in. Jeep has deffinatly had a lot of problems with the NV3570. Not sure if the JKs are using it too, but its a major set back in the 05-06s.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:41 PM   #6
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pull it strait back from 5th.......I pretty much start off in 2nd shift ta 4th and then catch 6th......there is no lockout for reverse but youll hear it if ya get over to far
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:06 AM   #7
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I've experimented a bit and found that 6th IS just a little bitty push to the right. It goes in nice and smooth. I think it is mostly because my body/arm combo want to try and pull toward fourth by default, and it takes just a little shifting (pun intended) of my body to get a smooth pull into 6th.

I haven't had any problems with "2nd" at all, but I know that the motor tends to need more time in 2nd before I shift into third. Otherwise it drags a bit.

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Just got my Wrangler, but my last car had a 6 speed manual also. It had the stop to prevent the shifter from going toward reverse if you were moving forward.. I found out, pretty much right away, the Wrangler does not and if you push too hard to the right before pulling back it will go down toward reverse. I find if I don't push too hard to the right it shifts fine.
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At first I ended up going from 5th to 4th. With a bit of practice its very smooth going from 5th to 6th. If you can't make it a smooth transition after some practice there may be a problem.
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pull it strait back from 5th.......I pretty much start off in 2nd shift ta 4th and then catch 6th......there is no lockout for reverse but youll hear it if ya get over to far
hahaha, i was wondering what was that sound. lol

happened to me a few times, especially if i try to shift aggressively. It just makes a really loud grinding noise. I was even surprised that it doesn't have a lock down for reverse while in forward motion. My friend had it in his RSX, if you go more then 5mph, it will block reverse completely.
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pull it strait back from 5th.......I pretty much start off in 2nd shift ta 4th and then catch 6th......there is no lockout for reverse but youll hear it if ya get over to far
Should I be worried that I did this to where I heard the grinding noise? It was only once. Very disconcerting to hear!
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:34 PM   #12
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At first I ended up going from 5th to 4th. With a bit of practice its very smooth going from 5th to 6th. If you can't make it a smooth transition after some practice there may be a problem.
I had the same problem when I test drove a 2012. I have never driven a 6 speed before and the idea of shifting down to the right after 5th seemed so un-natural to me. And that "R" on the bottom right was creating some concern as well

I imagine I will get used to it eventually
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:34 PM   #14
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I just pull back from 5th... might keep a little pressure to the right, but not much...

Not shifting into 6th till 60? I put it in 6th any time I'm over 35 mph and cruising.
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Old 09-26-2011, 04:07 PM   #15
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Try double clutching a half a dozen times or so until you get used to it. As the others said above, it's just a few degrees short of 180 to from 5th to neutral to 6th. The double clutch from 5th > clutch > neutral > clutch > 6th allows the synchros a little extra time to get everything aligned a bit better and it's almost like the tranny will just about pull the gearshift from neutral into 6th with minimal pressure on your part.

Or, if you are not familiar with double-clutching, try this:

On flat surface in a safe place with the emergency brake engaged and the engine off run up and down from 5th through neutral to 6th a few times. Once or twice while doing so put some extra pressure to the right on the gear shift. You should be able to feel the right side of the gate very distinctly as you move the lever. After you do that try going from 5 th to neutral then hard pressure to the right to find reverse. You will feel the difference in pressure it takes to get into the reverse gate. Doing this should give you the feel you need to go 5 > 6 without the fear of hitting reverse. Once again, make sure the engine is off and the emergency brake is engaged when you are "practicing".

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Mine has a built in buzzer that warns me when i'm putting it in reverse. Its reeeeal loud and soundslike someone is putting a soda can through a table saw. Works great, i havent put it in reverse once! Man, i'm sure glad they did that on these new models.... I'd sure hate to damage something. Those engineers think of everything!
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I almost sliiped into reverse the other day at 45 mph... Now I'm getting some hesitate gritty feeling between 5th and 6th... A little sierra but its starting to go away lol.... Hopefully no long term damage
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Mine has a built in buzzer that warns me when i'm putting it in reverse. Its reeeeal loud and soundslike someone is putting a soda can through a table saw. Works great, i havent put it in reverse once! Man, i'm sure glad they did that on these new models.... I'd sure hate to damage something. Those engineers think of everything!



In mine (09 X), when going from 5th to 6th, I have to pull slightly to the right before pulling down into 6th. Otherwise, it fights me. With just a slight pull to the right first, it goes into 6th nice and easy.
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WELL........I was going to ask about this. I too find it "interesting" if I try to shift too fast from 5th into 6th. I have hit :R: a couple of ginds I mean times. I now go slowly into 6th.

I also have found it best ( for me anyway) to NOT go from 4th to 6th. Its a learning thing, I wish there was a Reverse lock out......a smarter design whould have had one IMHO.

This all said, 99.99% of the time its driver error (me) if the shift is hard......and I;ll try the double cluch today. This is NOT a smooth shifting tranny. I've had German and Sweedish transmissions that were light years ahead of this one and that was light years ago. BUT, its not a sports car, its a Jeep and I love it.
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Possibly they made changes?

I have an 07 and I find it hard to go into reverse. I have to push it over and down.
5-6 requires no pressure just two fingers whereas reverse, I have to use my palm.
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WELL........I was going to ask about this. I too find it "interesting" if I try to shift too fast from 5th into 6th. I have hit :R: a couple of ginds I mean times. I now go slowly into 6th.

I also have found it best ( for me anyway) to NOT go from 4th to 6th. Its a learning thing, I wish there was a Reverse lock out......a smarter design whould have had one IMHO.

This all said, 99.99% of the time its driver error (me) if the shift is hard......and I;ll try the double cluch today. This is NOT a smooth shifting tranny. I've had German and Sweedish transmissions that were light years ahead of this one and that was light years ago. BUT, its not a sports car, its a Jeep and I love it.
Actually it's better NOT to go slowly from 5th to 6th.

To shift into REVERSE, bring the vehicle to a complete
stop. Press the clutch and pause briefly to allow the gear
train to stop rotating. Beginning from the NEUTRAL
position, move the shift lever in one quick, smooth
motion straight across and into the REVERSE area (the
driver will feel a firm “click” as the shifter passes the
“knock-over”). Complete the shift by pulling the shift
lever into REVERSE.
The “knock-over” prevents the driver from accidentally
entering the REVERSE shift area and warns the driver
that they are about to shift the transmission into REVERSE.
Due to this feature, a slow shift to REVERSE can
be perceived as a high shift effort.
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Possibly they made changes?

I have an 07 and I find it hard to go into reverse. I have to push it over and down.
5-6 requires no pressure just two fingers whereas reverse, I have to use my palm.
i have an 07 as well and i agree with this. it requires a deliberate move to get it into reverse. i never worry about accidentally putting in reverse while shifting from 5th to 6th gear.
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Thanks Tom, that damn book again huh ? I didn;t read that and I;m glad you posted this .
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WELL........I was going to ask about this. I too find it "interesting" if I try to shift too fast from 5th into 6th. I have hit :R: a couple of ginds I mean times. I now go slowly into 6th.

I also have found it best ( for me anyway) to NOT go from 4th to 6th. Its a learning thing, I wish there was a Reverse lock out......a smarter design whould have had one IMHO.

This all said, 99.99% of the time its driver error (me) if the shift is hard......and I;ll try the double cluch today. This is NOT a smooth shifting tranny. I've had German and Sweedish transmissions that were light years ahead of this one and that was light years ago. BUT, its not a sports car, its a Jeep and I love it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't find 6th! I thought it was me and test rode a new 2012 and 2011. I did manage to find it but not after grinding reverse at 65mph.
That's why I ordering the auto!
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Don't worry, its all about muscle memory. I don't have much experience with this transmission except some test driving but I have driven manual transmissions most of my life. Anybody remember 3 on the tree? Today however, I drive a Kenworth with an Eaton Fuller 10 speed, very nerve wracking at first. 1st though 5th then range select and back to the 1st position for 6th and so on. Non synchronized transmission so you learn to double clutch or no clutch at all. I do not use the clutch (except to start and stop). When I first got it I asked what rpm should I shift at. I was told to go out of gear at around 1800 rpm and back in at around 1400 rpm. Drove for a while with my eyes on the tach but now its like walking. Just sit in the jeep with the e-brake on, engine off, engage the clutch and run thought the gears for practice. I did this before I test drove just so I knew where they were.
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All of my vehicles but the last has been manual, and the JKU is the 1st one I've ever had troubles shifting. I'm sure I would learn but the new Auto is really nice to drive!!!
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How hard are you pushing the shifter to the right or left for that matter to shift from 5 to 6 or 1 to 2. It doesn't take much pressure either way to shift and keep it inline to get it in the right gear. You should be able to shift by (for example) only using your finger tips to hold the shift. If you manage to force into reverse by going from 5 to 6 you are apply way to much force. All you want to do is slide down from 5 to 6 with just a LIGHT amount of pressure to the right to fall into 6th.
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Mine is also a little buggy. It's the only gear that I think about. 1st-5th are straightforward...5th to 6th almost feels like it hits a restrictor when going straight back and requires a slight press to the right. A solution is to drop larger tires on then you might not need 6th.

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This all said, 99.99% of the time its driver error (me) if the shift is hard......and I;ll try the double cluch today. This is NOT a smooth shifting tranny. I've had German and Sweedish transmissions that were light years ahead of this one and that was light years ago. BUT, its not a sports car, its a Jeep and I love it.
Agree...but going with a 2/3-throw on the clutch greatly improved "smoothness." However...being tall makes anything but a full-throw a leg work out.
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Mine is also a little buggy. It's the only gear that I think about. 1st-5th are straightforward...5th to 6th almost feels like it hits a restrictor when going straight back and requires a slight press to the right.
x2...and that slight press to the right makes me cringe each time for fear of hearing the reverse gear song

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