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Old 07-06-2011, 10:34 AM   #1
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Should a first time buyer wait for the 2012 model?

So we are literally ready to buy an unlimited and now I hear all the news on the 2012 having a new engine with more hp...should I order a 2012 or just get a 2011? I was always taught to stay away from first model years of any car until problems are found and ironed out...has this new engine been used in any other vehicle? If so, how does it stack up reliability wise to the old 202hp v6? Thoughts? I am just stuck.

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Here's my logic on the subject...

I was prepared to buy an '11 model over the past few weeks. I assumed since a person could order a new model, with the new engine, that the dealers would be drastically cutting the price to move their inventory (there are many '11 models within a 100 mile radius of me).

However, what I found was that they weren't willing to do much better than the 2% below invoice that I could get on a '12. Basically there was no incentive, other than having one NOW, than waiting for 60 days + for the new model.

In my opinion, all things being equal, a '12 should be worth several thousand more than an '11, so I decided to buy the '12 model.

To answer your other question, the biggest drawback of the '11 is the "mini van" engine, or so I've read here. The new engine should make a big difference. This motor is in the Grand Cherokee and has gotten really good reviews.

Just the thoughts of a rambling newbie....

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It's a couple years old and it's being used in the GC, Charger, Challenger, and Caravan. No one has heard of any major issues. As far as long term reliability comparisons to the 20 year old 3.8, only time will tell. No one can make this decision for you. Personally, I think I would wait.
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I couldn't wait and pulled the trigger on a 2011 JKU this past Saturday. It is not a daily driver for me and in all the test driving I did I was pleased with the performance. Went from a 98 TJ Sport/ 4.0/ 5 Speed, Soft Top to the JKU Sport with an automatic and hard top. Lovin it!
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To answer your other question, the biggest drawback of the '11 is the "mini van" engine, or so I've read here. The new engine should make a big difference. This motor is in the Grand Cherokee and has gotten really good reviews.

Just the thoughts of a rambling newbie....
The 3.6 is a "mini van engine" as well.
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So we are literally ready to buy an unlimited and now I hear all the news on the 2012 having a new engine with more hp...should I order a 2012 or just get a 2011? I was always taught to stay away from first model years of any car until problems are found and ironed out...has this new engine been used in any other vehicle? If so, how does it stack up reliability wise to the old 202hp v6? Thoughts? I am just stuck.
The new 3.6L VVT Pentastar V6 is in the 2011 Grand Cherokee and cars like the 2011 Challenger, the engineers put alot of thought into the new engine. Id expect a strong aftermarket support for this engine as it was designed for heavy modding. The 3.8L engine in the 2011 JK has been admitted by its engineers as not being a very good engine for serious upgrades. Depends what you want to do with it.
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It's killing me...So when will they hit the dealers? 60 days? Septemberish? If I just order one could I expect it to drop in Sept? Might be better to just special order one for me b/c I can't find exactly what I am looking for.
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The new 3.6L VVT Pentastar V6 is in the 2011 Grand Cherokee and cars like the 2011 Challenger, the engineers put alot of thought into the new engine. Id expect a strong aftermarket support for this engine as it was designed for heavy modding. The 3.8L engine in the 2011 JK has been admitted by its engineers as not being a very good engine for serious upgrades. Depends what you want to do with it.
I would imagine that so-called bolt on "performance" items won't do much for the 3.6 either. Modern engines are designed without the need for these things. They have become a relic of mythology for the tuner crowd.
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Pull up a chair and start reading this: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...2nd-94698.html
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So we are literally ready to buy an unlimited and now I hear all the news on the 2012 having a new engine with more hp...should I order a 2012 or just get a 2011? I was always taught to stay away from first model years of any car until problems are found and ironed out...has this new engine been used in any other vehicle? If so, how does it stack up reliability wise to the old 202hp v6? Thoughts? I am just stuck.
It really depends on your disposition, if your one of those, that has to have the "latest" then absolutely wait.They are making significant changes to the Wrangler for 2012.Although, I must tell you ,you can get an excellent deal on a 2011.And the 2011 wrangler is still a great Wrangler.I have an 08 Rub, and I still absolutely love it.
The good news is ,if you choose to purchase a 2011,I believe your going to be very happy,also if you choose to wait,I believe you will still be very happy.

Good luck and enjoy your new Jeep.

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I would imagine that so-called bolt on "performance" items won't do much for the 3.6 either. Modern engines are designed without the need for these things. They have become a relic of mythology for the tuner crowd.
We can only speculate for now based upon what we read, word from the streets will be talking to us soon. If anyone can find the June 2011 issue of Mopar Action its suppose to have a good write up on the new Pentastar V6, it has an interview with the engineers of the new engine: Mopar Action On-line - History
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Buy a YJ

Then buy the 12. You will be like, woah this is super awesome.
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Ive been on and off pulling the trigger on a 2011 this last week until I started to read this forum. Now I'm very sure of waiting for the 12s , though local dealerships in OK are saying October/November for delivery. Its going to be a really interesting couple of months for the 2011s, I just got a call from the dealership that starting today theres $1000 off 2011s . Let the fun begin.
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I think some people are going to be disappointed in the 3.6 hp from what I see from expectations. I seen the dyno on the Challenger and even though it is pulling 242hp at the wheel, it is only pulling 100 at 2700 rpm while the 3.8 pulls 80. And that is with the Challenger getting the 304 hp version. Thats still a 20 hp gain but most JK don't drive in the 2700rpm range either let alone 4800 were it produces 280hp.

There will be a great boost when slamming the gas petal to the floor but at regular driving it look like around 1700 you will be seeing only around a 10hp gain. Which is significant, I think many 3.8L drivers would like to get 10hp at 1700 rpms but the way many are talking about the 3.6, I think they are expecting 80hp gains across the board. From what I can tell a regeared 3.8L will be around the same hp range as a regular geared 3.6 at a given speed. Don't get me wrong, I think the new motor sounds great though but just wonder if some may be thinking it is going to be more then what it is.
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Ive been on and off pulling the trigger on a 2011 this last week until I started to read this forum. Now I'm very sure of waiting for the 12s , though local dealerships in OK are saying October/November for delivery. Its going to be a really interesting couple of months for the 2011s, I just got a call from the dealership that starting today theres $1000 off 2011s . Let the fun begin.
That's just to get people in the door. Savvy negotiation, such as the TL discount, would have gotten you that already.
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We can only speculate for now based upon what we read, word from the streets will be talking to us soon. If anyone can find the June 2011 issue of Mopar Action its suppose to have a good write up on the new Pentastar V6, it has an interview with the engineers of the new engine: Mopar Action On-line - History
It's a shame they won't let you read that online. Any idea where that magazine is available?
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Ive been on and off pulling the trigger on a 2011 this last week until I started to read this forum. Now I'm very sure of waiting for the 12s , though local dealerships in OK are saying October/November for delivery. Its going to be a really interesting couple of months for the 2011s, I just got a call from the dealership that starting today theres $1000 off 2011s . Let the fun begin.

Yup, I got the same call! Is the new jeep going to look any different?
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It's a shame they won't let you read that online. Any idea where that magazine is available?
Barnes & Noble bookstores and Wal-Mart have them, but they already got August on the shelves and no older ones are left out here. Trust me, Ive been trying to get my mits on it Maybe you'll have better luck. My info I got of it came second hand from another forum.
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I ordered a '12. Everyone's situation is unique.

I will be brand new to the Jeep thang. I live in Chicago and have 3 kids. I like the idea of a 4 door convertible for the family and something that in my daily (this will be my daily) that gives me equal thrills as my sports cars. The fact that there are the creature comforts of a 'normal' SUV and the very soundproof friendly hard top for winter sealed it for me. I know that flies in the face of true 'Jeepers', but that's just my life. I face similar discussions with my sports cars - 'drive it to the mall or drive it on the track' things.

That being said I ordered the '12. Worked out perfectly for me:

- the lease on my BMW X5 is up mid October, so the timing is perfect. I may double bubble for a month, but the net is that as much as I'd like the convertible NOW when it's 90 degrees, I don't really NEED it for a couple of months.

- I drive the hell out of my Lotus Elise in the summer (the BMW is really only used on rainy days, trips to the airport or when we don't have the kids in my wife's SUV).

- My wife has a big ass SUV (Infinity QX56), so it's not like I NEED the size of the JKU right now.

- Pricing is relatively the same. Regardless of what the dyno really holds, the engine just seems better - better HP rankings, better performance and consistent across the whole of the Chrysler line.

- Ordering? Guarantee price (2% under invoice) through Pat at Fields (I'm only 30 min away) and $500 refundable.

So, for me, waiting on the '12 is a no brainer. Even if the '11s are a grand or two less in a few months comparatively, I'd rather have the better engine.

I look at it this way - I'd probably kick myself in 6 months if I DIDN'T wait for the better engine. We are realistically talking about 6 weeks.
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Chances are you'll be happy either way. I'm sure many who are buying 2011s right now are plenty pleased. I love my 2010.

If I were you, I'd wait. Why not hold back until you've got both on the lots, can test drive both, can negotiate on both, and then choose?
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Yup, I got the same call! Is the new jeep going to look any different?
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Uh, no, it won't.
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SwingLo I am in the same boat...we have 2 kids and this will be our daily commuter. I was worried about a rough ride but surprisingly the Jeep unlimited drove and rode really nice.
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That's just to get people in the door. Savvy negotiation, such as the TL discount, would have gotten you that already.
I was extremely lucky, no sleazy salesmen and no bs. The salesman we were/are going through is a friend- I had rock rock bottom prices already (deeply below invoice). The prices were very hard to pass up on , as was the fact that my friend worked hard for 6 days to find me a manual with right options and a dealer willing to trade. TL discount is better than nothing , but it is at the end of the day only a few hundred bucks saved. His deals worked out far below invoice- at least 3-4%
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I think it will come down in a few months to whether you want the newest with a new motor or a deal. I don't think they will drop the 2011 a great deal but I would bet you will still see better deals then usually right when the 2012 are being released. Right now it comes down to whether you want Summer fun now in a Jeep or wait for the newest with a new motor.
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Uh, no, it won't.
Pay attention dude, I'm referring to his question about waiting for a 2012.

By the way, it will look different, it will be blurry from all that extra speed.
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I think for JK Sport shoppers, the incentives on 2011 models could make it very tempting....for me included. I don't need the power of the new engine and would prefer to get a really good deal.

If I was in the market for a Rubi, I would absolutely wait for the 2012. Obviously Rubicon shoppers are not as concerned with price and want the latest bells and whistles. I think 2011 Rubicons are going to suffer during the release of the 2012 models.
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1950, 1980, 2000, 2010, 2012? I have to laugh because the second the Pentastar starts coming out in the 2012's there will be something "better" right around the corner. Then everyone will absolutely have to have one because now the Pentastar sucks compared to the "NEW" engine. There will always be something bigger, better, faster being introduced. I'd rather spend my time driving my poor old tired POS 2011 than worrying about how I'm going to get the next best thing. See you on the trails this summer.........oh wait, no I won't. You'll be at home reading magazine articles about something you don't have.
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Decided to pull the trigger on a 11 rubicon unlimited. Nav is about the only missing option. I pick it up at 10 am tomorrow. Ended up getting it for about 5% under invoice. I also got a good amount for my trade too. I decided not to wait for the 2012 as I wanted rid of the car that we are trading soon and also the resale value of wranglers seems to defy logic. I figure that in a year or two I will still get a good amount for the 2011 should I decide to sell or trade it.

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