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Old 11-01-2010, 08:57 PM   #61
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I like the JK's but I'll keep my TJ because it's paid for!

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So we're driving (2002 TJ SE) in town and I see this black Jeep approaching, and I'm thinking to myself "Wow, his fenders are sagging or falling off; wonder what happened to cause that?" because they just look like something's wrong with 'em.

As he gets closer, and passes by us, I see it's a JK (though at that point I hardly knew my Jeep models; I'd only had my Jeep for a few weeks). And those fenders are droopy, and, well, kind of ugly looking ...but there was really nothing wrong with them.

But I started paying attention after that ...and, especially in the black Jeeps, they're all kind of droopy.

As far as personal aesthetics go: the JK fenders are an acquired taste. You like 'em, good on you. There's no accounting for taste. (Hey, even mine!)

...but if I ever do get a JK (and I wouldn't buy it because of its looks), the first thing I'm doing is buying after-market flat fenders and pulling off those gawd-awful droopy looking stock fenders. (I've seen some of those flat ones, nicely painted the Jeep's colour, around, and they look darn nice.)

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look, I'm changing to poison spyder flat fenders and will be running 37's on stock suspension on my jk. you'll never do this on a TJ. technology does jeeps favors with every new model, and the jk is no exception. they are longer and wider than a tj, but not enough to make a difference on trails. If you can get your tj through it, I can get my jk through it also. jk's have a better footprint on the rocks than tj's but it's really a matter of preference. my jk minivan engine was proven long ago in the caravan, and it puts out better numbers(minimal, but better) than the tried and true 4.0. with jeeps it's all a matter of preference, if you like it get it, if you don't like it don't waste your money cause you'll never like it. people can say what they want, but if you wanna try to decifer between real jeeps and fake ones look @ who manufactured the vehicle......if says JEEP on it then it's obviously a JEEP! your TJ's were the first jeep with coilsprings and the jk is nothing more than an improvement over a previous model......like I said it's preference that matters! some like chocolate and some like vanilla
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Fact is most people who buy a jk will never take it off-road. Same with the tj when it was new. Same with the king Kong 9.2 liter Ford f650manly man edition. Were the minority. No one here can use the excuse that the jk is a mall Crawler because so was the tj when it came out. I for one would love to easily fit 37 s with minimal Modding on my Jeep but I have a tj which is equally awesome.

Now onto the open. Is you don't mind spending the money (whichever would be a deal breaker for me its just not good to buy new every 4 years unless your insanely rich IMHO ) but anyway if money is no issue then go for it! I love the interior of jk better. The outside doesn't look as good but I have to say an 06rubi is still badass
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Fact is most people who buy a jk will never take it off-road. Same with the tj when it was new. Same with the king Kong 9.2 liter Ford f650manly man edition. Were the minority. No one here can use the excuse that the jk is a mall Crawler because so was the tj when it came out. I for one would love to easily fit 37 s with minimal Modding on my Jeep but I have a tj which is equally awesome.

Now onto the open. Is you don't mind spending the money (whichever would be a deal breaker for me its just not good to buy new every 4 years unless your insanely rich IMHO ) but anyway if money is no issue then go for it! I love the interior of jk better. The outside doesn't look as good but I have to say an 06rubi is still badass
such a perfect way to put it!
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:27 PM   #66
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When we started to shop for our Jeep, we were looking at only TJ's. Mainly to get the proven 4.0. We could not find one with low enough miles. We thought we were going to just "make due" with our used 07 JK. 8 months later, we are loving it. That being said, I know we would have loved a clean TJ as well.

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Old 11-18-2010, 06:29 AM   #67
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I think we could argue the pros and cons till we out nerd the star trekies (I love star trek by the way), but here's what it comes down to.

Drive them both- which one plasters that silly Jeep grin on your face? Get that one. I have owed both a TJ and JK and they were equally equipped, and I drove them in a similar fashion with the same amount of on/off road. They were two completely different Jeeps. They felt different, and they made me Happy for different reasons. (Luckily I did not give up the TJ for the JK but rather had something else between- so I never had that Should I or Shouldn't I ).

Personally, I like the style and feel of the TJ better, and the Performance of the JK better, but it could just be my imagination.

Just my 2 cents
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Yeah, that's not true, shorter wheelbase is better for all offroading.
There are many situations where the longer wheelbase will help you out.
Hillclimbs come to mind first.


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So a crap driver in a JK makes the JK a worse vehicle than a good driver in a TJ?
I know you were being facetious.
But driver skill, tires, air pressure in those tires, luck of the line, all contribute to a successful run through an obstacle. I've seen very good drivers get stuck where I've just gone through and it was just because I softened-up something and it gave way under them instead of me.
It's hard to put a TJ next to a JK and say which is "better" since they both have their relative and subjective strong points.

I wouldn't be happy with a TJ and that's why I never bought one. I'm 6'5" with long legs and a wide back; when I "tried on" a TJ, I thought it was a Nazi torture device. The JK fit me and I bought one within a week of my first test drive.


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I'm including hills that I would climb in my assertion. Anything else is for the birds. And let's face it, there aren't too many jeep owners, TJ or JK, that make a habit out of seeing how steep a hill they can climb on the weekends. Flipping end over end backwards isn't on anybodies top ten to do list. So unless your straddling a very deep and very short mudhole, then long wheelbases suck.
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I like the JK's but I'll keep my TJ because it's paid for!
For some people, that's the strongest and best argument. That and the price of aftermarket junk to put on it.
Some people have the money and that's not an issue though. It comes down to taste, comfort, size ---- criterion that's both personal and objective.


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Fact is most people who buy a jk will never take it off-road. Same with the tj when it was new.
Sad truth.
But it's their loss. Different strokes for different folks. When they buy a Subaru in 4 years there will be a cherry JK for somebody to buy.


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I think we could argue the pros and cons till we out nerd the star trekies (I love star trek by the way), but here's what it comes down to.
Even though I'm old enough that I watched the original series when it first aired, I liked Enterprise and the new movie the best...
Yes. I'm a nerd. Proud of it too.
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:07 AM   #69
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Yeah, that's not true, shorter wheelbase is better for all offroading.

Dude, Not True!! There are dozens of obstacles that I've been to that give the 2 doors fits. Many of which flip over backwards (crappy driver, sticky ckutch, too high of gearing, improper tire pressure, aka too much traction in the back) & the FJ's & 4 door unlimiteds crawl right up it and laugh their arses off.

For clearance purposes, ya, a lifted 2 door will clear more obstacles than an equally lifted 4 door.

The four door on the other hand is soooooooo much smoother at speed, on & off the hiway.

Not flamin here, just posten facts.
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There are some loose dirt roads I have driven on in my JKU where I slide in and out of each turn... it's rather fun and I enjoy it and feel comfortable doing it. In a standard JK or TJ I don't feel as comfortable and I feel like I am going to tip easier. So from my perspective, the longer wheelbase handles better in dirt trail sliding situation.

What is comes down to is my JKU can handle more than I am comfortable to throw at it. So therefore, my jeep can do everything I need it to do. And that is all that matters.
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I have both....an 04 Rubicon and my wife has an 09 Rubicon. 09 rubicon has more power, smoother handling, better off road characteristics, better radio, more comfortable seats, more room, quieter. I think my 04 has a bit better visibility. Like the looks of the 04 better, but all of those folks who put down the mini van engine haven't owned one.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:10 AM   #72
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I do believe all the JK'ers are completely delusional, anyone who thinks a JK can out wheel a TJ must be on crack.
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:50 AM   #74
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I have a mint '06 TJ Rubicon which I love!
How do you have "mint" vehicle from 2006? If it is mint, then that means you havent ever driven it... right?
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:03 AM   #75
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i've had both a TJ and JK and i wouldn't go back to a TJ. doesn't really answer the OP's question but I prefer my JK over my old TJ.

if you have your TJ Rubi paid off, i'd say keep it
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why does jeepjones hate JK's again?
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I'd say stick with the TJ Rubi without thinking twice about it.. But I do understand the draw to the JK Rubi's.. So if it's a 2dr I won't hate.. Also the OP posted up this thread many months ago so I guess what I just said doesn't really effect him at all.. Hmmm
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TJ's and JK's are jokes. My YJ will outwheel all them. Its the best thing Jeep has ever made. Then you say "Your crazy. My TJ is so much better" I say "No the YJ's styling is so much better" Then JK guys say "JK is best we are the kings."

See where I'm going with this. Its personal preferance. I love my YJ wouldn't trade it for a thing. Some guys love TJ's and some love JK's....I think everyone loves a good old CJ. But get whatever makes you happy.

And my YJ will out wheel TJ's and JK's...first I need $30,000.
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I do believe all the JK'ers are completely delusional, anyone who thinks a JK can out wheel a TJ must be on crack.
prove that they can't.
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Yea we've been through the JK vs TJ before.

I bought a 98 4.0 TJ new and drove it till I bought a 2011 this year.

In my humble opinion the TJ has more HP and torque, it's lighter and better for off roading. The fenders are better( I hate the plastic ).

The JK is a nicer on the road jeep.
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I think the better tire clearance in the JKs is pretty sweet. Wish I could fit 37s

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Why does it seem like whichever jeep the person is driving at the time has the best engine, the best interior, the most torque, etc?
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Why does it seem like whichever jeep the person is driving at the time has the best engine, the best interior, the most torque, etc?
Because it's true. This is always an incredibly stupid debate, it's up there with "auto or manual" and "soft top or hard top" for me. One of the new guys around here picked up a TJ and a JK recently--that's the way to do it. If I could, I'd follow suit. Otherwise, who gives a sh*t? The answer to the OP's question depends on his circumstances an what he finds important. There's no objectively correct answer, particularly if his TJ isn't having mechanical issues. Period.
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It's the opposite for me. My 98 TJ was better off road than my Jk. It had more power ect.

The JK is much nicer interior and on the road.
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Personally I love the look of a stock JK more than any other stock model Jeep. I have nothing to add to the other part of the discussion here except I adore my mine.
i agree.. i like the stock JK look better as well. i personally dont like the fenders on my TJ. if youre going for looks.. go for the JK. but as someone said here, if the TJ is paid off, dont buy a new jeep.. thats silly lol. dont you have some sort of emotional connection to your TJ? or could you just give it up? just some thoughts.

i know i probably wouldn't trade in my TJ for a newer model.. just cause i love it..

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I dont know about the rest of you folks, but I am gonna be honest. I would LOVE to have one of each major model (CJ, YJ, etc.) They all have their own special thing going on, and they are all awesome. I even wish I had a couple of the old Cherokees from the late 70's early 80's. I loved my 85 Cherokee and dammit I wish I hadnt totalled it!!!! I wish my dads '79 CJ-7 didnt rust away from too much marsh water!!

I got what I got and I love it. Except for those 2012 disciples, I am sure most of you agree.
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I have both....an 04 Rubicon and my wife has an 09 Rubicon. 09 rubicon has more power, smoother handling, better off road characteristics, better radio, more comfortable seats, more room, quieter. I think my 04 has a bit better visibility. Like the looks of the 04 better, but all of those folks who put down the mini van engine haven't owned one.
Pretty strong testimony right there!
OP, only you can make this decision. I absolutely love everything about my JK!!

Here's a pic of the TJ next to the JK. Both are very nice rigs. I just went with the one on the right. So shoot me!! Hate them if you will.

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My XK (which does not exist) is better than all of your rigs!!! NA nA NA BOO BOO!!
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I have had the following in my stable over the years... 2 CJ7s, a YJ, a TJ and now a JK. All of them have been wheeled hard over all types of terrain.

While there are aspects of all of them I loved, I wouldn't give up the JK for any of the others.
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I've had both TJ Sport and now JK Rubi. TJ has the passenger jump seat...my Rubicon doesn't (although I'm told the '11 does) TJ back seat was super easy to take out. No tools needed. JK...not the case. Sight lines in the TJ WAY better than the JK.
JK fenderrs - Horrible ugly. TJ - fenders untreated turn grey in sunlight. JK WAY better stock ride (moot after mods). JK power windows. TJ - none. TJ soft top way easier to take down. JK seals better. (I'm told. I have the hardtop)

Wheeling - I'm with everyone on it's the Driver. All things being equal (driver, trail, stock)...I'd say the TJ was slightly better due to stiffer stearing and better sightlines. Don't quote me but I think it weights more too, which helps in mud. Feels that way anyway. I did way more off road in the TJ...working on that with JK.

In summation I'd say the JK is better all around...just for the simple fact it's new(er)...more comfortable with daily driving. Wheeling is negligable...depends on you. I love the JK (except the fenders, rear headrests). The Rubicon is beast also. 4.10's vs. the 3.76 (TJ Sport-Auto)...incredible difference alone.

All that being said...if it's paid for...and runs right. I wouldn't change out just for power windows and looks. Use the money for mods...or a motorcycle....nice vacation....something. Weight the NEED vs WANT....

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