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Old 08-10-2013, 10:30 PM   #1
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Skids with no lift

So I have the 10A and had a question. Possibly dumb question but one I couldnt find the answer to.

I have a limited amount of funds after this purchase. Was a big deal for me and blah blah blah. Anyway I wanted to armor up my belly and was wondering if anyone had suggestions on skids, oil / xfer / trans, that don't require lift. Armor and recovery always seemed more important to me but this is my first JK. Thanks in advance.

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So I have the 10A and had a question. Possibly dumb question but one I couldnt find the answer to.

I have a limited amount of funds after this purchase. Was a big deal for me and blah blah blah. Anyway I wanted to armor up my belly and was wondering if anyone had suggestions on skids, oil / xfer / trans, that don't require lift. Armor and recovery always seemed more important to me but this is my first JK. Thanks in advance.
You dont need a lift for any skid as far as i know

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Armoring up is a good first step.
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Is there one "kit" better than another is there a thickness of steel we should look for? I have also been looking at skid plates and just not sure what to get should I get a whole kit or just buy certain parts?
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I've got RockHard 4x4 Skid Plates - Sliders been using them for years.

Everyone is going to have their own preference. Just like oil, winches, lifts, etc.
Just do some research before you invest.
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I just put on the MORE oil pan/tranny skid this week. Tested it out yesterday and it did it's job. Mostly forest roads with a few small rocks and stumps. Not a bad piece for the price, I think.
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Stock skids have been doing the job fine. Took a wallup on a concrete obstacle 2 months ago. full weight came down on gas tank skid. Dented the crap out of it but it did its job. Only thing I've added is the Rugged Ridge evap cannister skidplate. I figure why add additional weight with heavier skids.
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My motivation for the aftermarket skid was I was worried about the transmission cooler line (I have an auto) that was exposed. Otherwise, I may invest in the evap skid later, but that will be about it.
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It all depends on your own situation. I've got the entire underneath of my jeep armored. No, I don't need it all the time, but when I do need it, it is already there. I play in the rocks most of the time, some trails and very little water and mud. I know my skids have saved me a lot on repairs.
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I read a few sites and some say they required a 2.5 inch lift. If thats not the case for TnT's I'll be ordering from them. RROR looks good but I heard either the trans or xfer case folds really easy. Even the steel one
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I run off road evolution skids for my trans and oil. They work.
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I run off road evolution skids for my trans and oil. They work.
That on a JK w/ no lift?
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I can't remember if I did mine before or after the initial 2.5" lift, I can't see how they would interfere regardless of the lift though.
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And sorry...on my 10 jk
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While the stock differential covers are strong, the mounting flange lip tends to bend, causing gear oil to leak out. I put the AEV diff skid on and has it ever paid off! Almost no clearance take away, easy to put on and it protects the pinion also!

Beyond that, the stock setup is good - depending on how many rocks you roll over. I added lower control arm plates from Jeep Performance Inc (supporting vendor) and they are SOLID.
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I read a few sites and some say they required a 2.5 inch lift. If thats not the case for TnT's I'll be ordering from them. RROR looks good but I heard either the trans or xfer case folds really easy. Even the steel one
I have the RROR full skid system and have had no issues to date. Very happy with the fit and finish.
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You definitely can install skids with no lift.
They aren't directly related. And there is enough room that you won't drag your belly on the street. However, they are indirectly related.

I added skids first, before I did my spring swap. Between my skids, rails, hitch, subwoofer, etc, my stock 14/55 springs went from stiff at purchase to mush.

Changing to 18/59 springs and Rubi shocks set my ride right again, and even better than before.

When I went out on the trail with my skid but before my lift, I felt like I was sitting low. Looking forward to getting back out there with that fixed up.

I'd say that your stock springs are intended for your factory weight.

That was my experience.
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Yes, you can do skids without a lift...

We do a lot of skids from EVO and Rock Hard 4x4. Another great option to look at is the JCR OffRoad. They are super nice as well!

The main thing is you need to cover the oil pan and tranny. Some kids cover just about everything under the JK which is nice but for more of a DD type setup, this can be overkill.

If you have any questions about any of the skids out there and if they would work with your JK, let us know! Feel free to PM, email, and call at anytime!

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Old 08-12-2013, 06:32 PM   #19
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I have the EVO skids, they held up fine this a few weeks ago and I was glad I had them. They are a little cheaper than some of the others, supplement the OE skids rather than replace those too.
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Welcome to the law of unintended consequences... and Jeep mods.

I added RockHard skids and Rubi rails (and a sub-woofer, and a trailer hitch) before I did any lift. What I experienced was that my 14/55 springs went from jarringly stiff to soft and squishy. The extra weight was more than my stock shocks were designed to handle. And I lost a significant amount of height.

This weekend, I just installed 18/59 springs and Rubicon shocks in my '12 Sport and the ride improvement was incredible, and I gained about 1.5 inches over my stock springs (measured with the weight, before and after the springs/shocks -- I didn't measure it when it was stock). I don't think I gained much over stock height, but the stiffer springs successfully offset the added weight of the armor. I don't think I added much over stock height, because my sway bar is now level again after the install. I'm still planning to add another 3/4" of spacers to the lift on my rig. But the stock springs couldn't handle the weight of my other mods and still perform as designed. For now, I think I've got a good match after a full day of driving. It rides better than it did at stock, and way better than it did after I added the weight.

So yeah, you've got plenty of room underneath to add skids without a lift. But every significant mod you do will have 'unintended consequences' that will lead to new mods that are now required. Unless you're a Jeep engineer, and understand the whole system, making changes to any part of that system will change something else, which will require another mod.

Welcome to the addiction. Do it. If you're going off-road, skids are probably the best thing you can add to your Jeep. If you can afford it, stiffening your springs to accommodate the added weight is well advised, based on my experience.
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I appreciate all the feed back. I wrote to TnT for clarification on why their website would require skids for the oil pan / trans. Hopefully they get back to me soon. I have a soft spot for TnT since they have amazing customer service and great products.

I plan on welding all 4 LCA skids and swapping in some PSC diff covers. I know lift is important for wheeling but its not as high on my list as protecting my DD as much as possible. Rather dump some money into protection / recovery and save for a good lift. That way I can still wheel in some of these middle class rocks we have in Hawaii.

Anyone have TnT's that can tell me if they give you any ground clearance like RROR does? Thanks everyone again.
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So I have the 10A and had a question. Possibly dumb question but one I couldnt find the answer to.

I have a limited amount of funds after this purchase. Was a big deal for me and blah blah blah. Anyway I wanted to armor up my belly and was wondering if anyone had suggestions on skids, oil / xfer / trans, that don't require lift. Armor and recovery always seemed more important to me but this is my first JK. Thanks in advance.
Yes, get the Evo protek system. Priced right, excellent quality, and will protect all your weak points. I love mine.

EVO Manufacturing JK 2012, Full Protek Skid System

Another major thing to look for in skids (besides price, fitment, and toughness) is ease of oil changes. Evo keeps it as easy as stock. Most others make it super messy. RRaider has a lot of reported problems, as well as terrible customer service. Nemesis industries are great as well, but are expensive (aluminum.) There is absolutely no reason to replace the stock skids. They work very well, just cover the weakspots (oil, and tranny.)
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Any reviews on Rugged Ridge Skid plates?
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I've got the RROR full set with no lift (yet) and couldn't be happier. It's strange to me to see the couple posts here that don't have good things to say about them. I've never read anything bad about them, and was actually incredibly impressed with their customer service. As I was installing them myself I had a bit of trouble in one spot. I emailed them about it and within an hour someone from RROR called me to talk me through what I was doing wrong. He was very patient and helpful. I don't know how it could get better than that.
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No complaints with my EVO Skid System and all LCA Skids. The skid system was the second thing I did after the ACE Rock Rails. Only issue was with the TF exhaust spacers in I had to put washers between frame and skids to keep exhaust from rattling.
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I have the aftermarket exhaust kit from cool tech sitting in my house. Hopefully it's high enough if not I'll do the washer thing.

Anyone know if they fixed the bracing issue on RROR? A lot of bad reviews on the skid folding
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Any reviews on Rugged Ridge Skid plates?

If I remember right, they state that they require a 2.5in. lift for proper clearance, but I have no personal experiance with them.
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Which skid system offers the must coverage? Pictures showing the difference when be great.
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I went this route also, skids and recovery first, now I have no money for a lift which is okay, I'm still debating which one I want anyway. I went with Rock Hard skids and like it very much, I don't really worry too much if I do happen to hit.

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