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Old 06-21-2014, 03:59 PM   #1
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So SmittyBuilt has a new H20 series winch out. Series wound motor, 6.6hp, waterproof, blah blah blah. Anyone had any luck with this unit? I took a look at it when i was in my 4wheel parts store in Portland, Oregon. Its only $549 for the 10K w/Synthetic line. Lifetime warranty on Mechanical and 5 yr on electrical.

So it seems like they have hit all the sales points. I know it is made offshore to hit that price point, BUT HTF do they make a winch half the price of a WARN model thats made in the USA? Or are the Smittybuilts a POS? Any comments both good and bad appreciated. Thanks, Sean

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I can't speak to the winch but I have their side steps... If they screw up 4 mounting holes on the steps, I have no faith in a winch made by them.

It was the PITA that it was to install the side steps that made me gun shy of anything made in china for my jeep so I am going to think long and hard before I put another chinese made POS on my jeep. If that makes me have to wait longer between mods because of the added cost, so be it.

Sorry, didnt mean to get on my soapbox but I do stand by what I said.

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I got the gen2 x20 on mine. Steel cable for $350. So far no issues. Seems well constructed and solid. Comes with a wireless remote. Great warranty to boot. Install was pretty easy. Only downside is it is HEAVY!!! But that is to be expected on a steel cable winch. Looks great on my Rampage Recovery Stubby. Def. an upgrade over their gen1 winches.
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I'm in the same boat. I was planning on spending around $900 on a winch. My two top choices are the Warn Zeon 10s or the Smittybilt X2O -10s. I can either cough up the extra cash for the Warn or pocket a little with the Smittybilt.
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I'm in the same boat. I was planning on spending around $900 on a winch. My two top choices are the Warn Zeon 10s or the Smittybilt X2O -10s. I can either cough up the extra cash for the Warn or pocket a little with the Smittybilt.
EXACTLY where im at. It seems that they have all the right specs. Im asking myself if being made overseas with cheaper labor is the ONLY difference. WARN makes a great product im sure but TWICE the $$$ ? Still confused.
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I have the Smitty XRC8 with synn rope and I will stand by that winch forever it has done everything I have asked of it and more it was just about a month out of warranty and a relay went out called them and they sent me a whole new control unit and wires in less than 3 days this is one bad A@@ winch IMO and if and when it dies I will upgrade to the 10k Smitty at the $$$$ Difference for a warren the warren was out of the question save that xtra $$ and buy some other Mods instead of just buying a Name.
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my xrc 8 has been a piece of crap since I've bought it. never again. buying a warn zeon now like i should have in the first place.
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my xrc 8 has been a piece of crap since I've bought it. never again. buying a warn zeon now like i should have in the first place.
What issues have you had with the winch? I have one and it's been great.
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Only had my new Gen 2 XRC 9500 Comp (synth rope) for a couple months but it has already pulled me out twice without issue. Easy to control, fast spool, no complications. Will it last? Get back to me in 3 years.

It is not covered and I park outside. I'll be interested in how well it does in the waterproofing department. I went with the XRC rather than the H2O because I wasn't convinced there was much difference in the basic winch between the two. The XRC is $100 less at every size. The old Gen 1 8000 has been upgraded to a 9500 at the same price. The remote is wired, which I preferred because I've had too many battery-operated devices that are only used occasionally fail on me in the past due to dead batteries. And I've had the replacement batteries that I stuck in with them fail because they'd been sitting around a long time too.

Not saying I've had that experience with winch remotes -- just saying that the winch is worthless without the remote (afaIk) and I'd rather have it wired.

Anyway, I was very impressed with the visible features I could see when the winch came in. I'll be equally interested to see if there are hidden "gotchas" in the build quality that become apparent over time.

I am religious about testing winches once a month with an actual pull just to keep everything loose and to check it for continued operation. (I know, I know, if I do that I'd know whether the batteries had died in the wireless I'm just too old to change my stripes I guess.)
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I've had the XRC8 on the front of my rig the last two years. It has pulled me out of some hairy situations and has never let me down. I don't keep it covered so the black ends have faded a bit, but the winch works flawlessly everytime I need it to. Its not like Warns are perfect either. I know a guy who had one come right out of the box and didn't work. So take any advice with a grain of salt.
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You want it to work when you need it and mine has functioned well every time.
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Ask yourself- what is your purpose? Plenty of people want a winch because it looks good on their bumper- in which case go cheap.
Do you always wheel with a group? Do most of those people have a winch? Can't hurt to go cheap.
Do you wheel by yourself? Do you think you'll actually NEED the winch? No dis-respect to those with Smitty but in that case spend the extra money and go Warn. They fail too- but the forum isn't littered with complaints about the brand. Nothing I've bought from Smitty has been well made, designed or even constructed properly. If I am in a jam the LAST thing I want is something that may or may not be reliable.
One last note: I'd say 80% of the group I wheel with have winches- including me. We've used a winch three times. (Once was me- so I could practice.) The rest of the time we use a tow strap. It's much quicker, easier and (typically) more safe. ARB makes a great recovery kit with everything you could possibly need for $300. Straps alone are dirt cheap. Happy I have Warn and would not have gone cheaper. But its $1000 I probably could've spent on other mods that would have made me not get stuck to start with.
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I agree you get what you pay for, and sometimes it's a bit of an inflated price for a brand name. I'd take a Warn, but not for the price. I am sure there are plenty of Warn winches bought as a pretty ornament for the front bumper just as there are Rubicons that never leave pavement, just as there are Smittybilt winches actually used regularly, and Sports that are wheeled hard core.
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I just got back from running the powerlines a half-hour north of my house. Recent rain made a lot of mudholes, and one of them claimed me. Pulled out that nice Smitty, hooked to a power pole a hundred feet away. Only had to pull myself six feet, but it worked like a champ.

Now I know, that proves absolutely nothing. And maybe some day it will fail on me when a Warn would have kept plugging. But it sure has dragged my stuck ass out of the mud without complaint so far!

And best of all... it's real purdy out there on the bumper, telling everybody that I'm a serious playa!
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Ask yourself- what is your purpose? Plenty of people want a winch because it looks good on their bumper- in which case go cheap.
Do you always wheel with a group? Do most of those people have a winch? Can't hurt to go cheap.
Do you wheel by yourself? Do you think you'll actually NEED the winch? No dis-respect to those with Smitty but in that case spend the extra money and go Warn. They fail too- but the forum isn't littered with complaints about the brand. Nothing I've bought from Smitty has been well made, designed or even constructed properly. If I am in a jam the LAST thing I want is something that may or may not be reliable.
One last note: I'd say 80% of the group I wheel with have winches- including me. We've used a winch three times. (Once was me- so I could practice.) The rest of the time we use a tow strap. It's much quicker, easier and (typically) more safe. ARB makes a great recovery kit with everything you could possibly need for $300. Straps alone are dirt cheap. Happy I have Warn and would not have gone cheaper. But its $1000 I probably could've spent on other mods that would have made me not get stuck to start with.

Good advice. I guess for all purposes, you could substitute any name of winch in place of SmittyBuilt.

Im just trying to find a winch that doesn't cost $1k and holds up!

I have looked at Mile Marker, Engo and Smitty as well as Quadratec.

A lot of these companies are offering a lifetime mechanical warranty and a 3-5 yr warranty on electrics.

Im guessing that if the winches were total junk, they wouldn't stay in business.

Warn makes a good product for sure, but they are mechanical devices. They fail from time to time. So for a guy that is likely to go WITHOUT a winch if they are $1000, is he better to buy a $500 winch that is warrantied?

Just trying to figure out if smitty has more/less problems than average.
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Ask yourself- what is your purpose? Plenty of people want a winch because it looks good on their bumper- in which case go cheap.
Do you always wheel with a group? Do most of those people have a winch? Can't hurt to go cheap.
Do you wheel by yourself? Do you think you'll actually NEED the winch? No dis-respect to those with Smitty but in that case spend the extra money and go Warn. They fail too- but the forum isn't littered with complaints about the brand. Nothing I've bought from Smitty has been well made, designed or even constructed properly. If I am in a jam the LAST thing I want is something that may or may not be reliable.
One last note: I'd say 80% of the group I wheel with have winches- including me. We've used a winch three times. (Once was me- so I could practice.) The rest of the time we use a tow strap. It's much quicker, easier and (typically) more safe. ARB makes a great recovery kit with everything you could possibly need for $300. Straps alone are dirt cheap. Happy I have Warn and would not have gone cheaper. But its $1000 I probably could've spent on other mods that would have made me not get stuck to start with.

your advice was not lost im going to buy the ARB recovery kit.
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I agree you get what you pay for, and sometimes it's a bit of an inflated price for a brand name. I'd take a Warn, but not for the price. I am sure there are plenty of Warn winches bought as a pretty ornament for the front bumper just as there are Rubicons that never leave pavement, just as there are Smittybilt winches actually used regularly, and Sports that are wheeled hard core.
Yup- Well Said.
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So the flip side to all of this is that just because its made offshore, it doesnt mean its crap. As a sales rep, i oversee many lines of sporting goods products that are made in China and other places. Doesn't necessarily mean its crap.

Companies like smittybuilt source from countries all over the world. Warn too. A smittybuilt bumper or Rock rail is NOT made in the same factory as a winch.

Successfully sourcing an item from an offshore company also includes the fact that quality control must be observed AT THE FACTORY.
It is possible to get quality out of offshore factories. You just have to spec it and pay for it.
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Only had my new Gen 2 XRC 9500 Comp (synth rope) for a couple months but it has already pulled me out twice without issue. Easy to control, fast spool, no complications. Will it last? Get back to me in 3 years.

It is not covered and I park outside. I'll be interested in how well it does in the waterproofing department. I went with the XRC rather than the H2O because I wasn't convinced there was much difference in the basic winch between the two. The XRC is $100 less at every size. The old Gen 1 8000 has been upgraded to a 9500 at the same price. The remote is wired, which I preferred because I've had too many battery-operated devices that are only used occasionally fail on me in the past due to dead batteries. And I've had the replacement batteries that I stuck in with them fail because they'd been sitting around a long time too.
Good to hear about your Gen2 XRC 9500. I have the same one on my Jeep (steel though) but only been there about a month and haven't used it yet. Function-tested it but thats it. This is my first winch. I was a bit apprehensive about purchasing a Smittybilt as I tend to hear negative things about them but the price was right for my budget at the time. I plan on using it more as a hoist for my gambrel than pulling myself out of a sticky situation but hopefully it performs when I really need it!
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So getting off the rails just a tad,

How has the luck been with the budget friendlier VR series Winches from WARN?
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I have the exact winch your talking about and love it!!! Have used it several times. I honestly thought I would have broken it with the way I was using it. Hours on end to get my buddy out. Long story short is it rocks for the $. I broke one small bolt on the too for mounting the control box and they mailed me 2 no questions asked. On the phone they asked if any other parts needed to be replaced while they were mailing me stuff. Great service
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I have the exact winch your talking about and love it!!! Have used it several times. I honestly thought I would have broken it with the way I was using it. Hours on end to get my buddy out. Long story short is it rocks for the $. I broke one small bolt on the too for mounting the control box and they mailed me 2 no questions asked. On the phone they asked if any other parts needed to be replaced while they were mailing me stuff. Great service
thats the kind of real world info im looking for.

I did some checking and typed in winch reviews on google. Only complaints on the Smitty was it was a bit noisy and the line speed was a bit low- but many abused it and said it held up.

The search continues......................................... ..
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thats the kind of real world info im looking for.

I did some checking and typed in winch reviews on google. Only complaints on the Smitty was it was a bit noisy and the line speed was a bit low- but many abused it and said it held up.

The search continues......................................... ..
Wow, I can't imagine someone thinking the line speed on the Gen 2 XRC is low! Seriously, I wouldn't want it to be one inch faster, even if there was no cost to it speeding up. It seems perfect to me, especially compared to some actually slow winches.
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Warn is offering $200 in accessories with the purchase of a Warn winch.
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gotta admit, i just found a WARN M8000 for $579 on Amazon. That makes it pretty hard to overlook. I would think that an 8000# would be enough for a 2dr JK.
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gotta admit, i just found a WARN M8000 for $579 on Amazon. That makes it pretty hard to overlook. I would think that an 8000# would be enough for a 2dr JK.
I just got the M8000-s with the synthetic rope for $795 shipped. Plus the free accessory bag.

I think I have seen that M8000 with steel cable even cheaper than $579, but I forgot where. Keep shopping man.
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Warn makes a VR12000 for $679.00
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I looked at the smittybuilt winches and ultimately went with the Warn VR10000. Want name at the same price point had me sold. It was just installed so I cannot give you an opinion on the durability.
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Wow, I can't imagine someone thinking the line speed on the Gen 2 XRC is low! Seriously, I wouldn't want it to be one inch faster, even if there was no cost to it speeding up. It seems perfect to me, especially compared to some actually slow winches.
I have the 10K X20 Gen 2 with Synthetic and it's not slow at all. It's also not very noisy compared to others.
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I looked at the smittybuilt winches and ultimately went with the Warn VR10000. Want name at the same price point had me sold. It was just installed so I cannot give you an opinion on the durability.
Same price point, but quite a few less features.

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