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Old 09-02-2012, 11:13 AM   #1
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So I've been looking for snorkels or I think they are called prefilter? Not sure I'm new to this side of it. Anyways, I've seen one snorkel for the 2012 JKU and Up. I love AEV but not their snorkel. So I'm making this page for snorkel info as it comes available. So anyone find any new ones?

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There is ram air snorkels and prefilter snorkels. Prefilter has a filter in the periscope where as a ram air is vent style periscope with just the engine filter doing the door duties.

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There is ram air snorkels and prefilter snorkels. Prefilter has a filter in the periscope where as a ram air is vent style periscope with just the engine filter doing the door duties.

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Well I saw rugged ridge has a new one that is modular with a prefilter and has ram air. I got excited enough I pulled my debit card out and then saw it was for the 3.8L .... I really don't think I'm interested in the "periscope" kind as far as a visual stand point goes but wouldn't be opposed if it ends up they are my only choice vs the one ram air out right now that forces you to remove the antenna. I really don't want to relocate my antenna.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:16 PM   #5
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River Raider Expedition Snorkel for the 2012. Had this on my last rig, and will reinstall on the Rubicon. Low profile snorkel. I acutally had someone ask if it was a TV atenna. Small dome on passenger side right over the cowl seem.

The install is a solid 6 hours, you need to move the battery and reroute some stuff under the hood. The directions are better than most, but could have more pictures.

You should be able to find a post from my last install.

You can also swap out the dome they give you with a donaldson pre-filter. You can murder out the pre-filter and it looks fairly good.
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Talking Snorkel Options

RUGGED RIDGE

I've run across what I think is a red flag with the pre-2012 models. With the air ram arm on there it looks like it doesn't allow you to use your windshield wipers??? That seems to be a major design flaw. Am I wrong? I would think you would need your wipers when you need a snorkel. I'm just basing that off VIN's post.
LINK->http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pic...ml#post2675263

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My only dislike so far is that the windshield wiper is trapped under the snorkel. You really have to bend it to get it out as opposed to some bending with the windshield mounted lights.
To be fair I'm not sure you really need the air ram. I think just having the small cowl location would take care of most of the splashes.

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Other options to look at are the AEV( also sold as Mopar) being sold currently on Quadratec now for the 2012's. I'm pretty sure that this one is molded around the antenna. It's also beefier and allows more air flow then the previous version.
AEV Conversions 40306160AA - AEV Snorkel Kit with Ram Air for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
Looks like someone photoshoped this one pretty bad right were it goes into the air ram.


This is a picture with the pre-filter option(on the older version) that removes dust.

You can also get AEV china knock-off's from ebay for about half the price. From what I have read the plastic is not as sturdy, and I doubt they would work with the 2012's.

RIVER RAIDER makes a couple versions
JK Cast Snorkel
This doesn't allow you to keep the factory antenna location.


JK Expedition Snorkel


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RUGGED RIDGE

I've run across what I think is a red flag with the pre-2012 models. With the air ram arm on there it looks like it doesn't allow you to use your windshield wipers??? That seems to be a major design flaw. Am I wrong? I would think you would need your wipers when you need a snorkel. I'm just basing that off VIN's post.
LINK->http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pic...ml#post2675263

To be fair I'm not sure you really need the air ram. I think just having the small cowl location would take care of most of the splashes.

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Other options to look at are the AEV( also sold as Mopar) being sold currently on Quadratec now for the 2012's. I'm pretty sure that this one is molded around the antenna. It's also beefier and allows more air flow then the previous version.
AEV Conversions 40306160AA - AEV Snorkel Kit with Ram Air for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
Looks like someone photoshoped this one pretty bad right were it goes into the air ram.

This is a picture with the pre-filter option(on the older version) that removes dust.

You can also get AEV china knock-off's from ebay for about half the price. From what I have read the plastic is not as sturdy, and I doubt they would work with the 2012's.

RIVER RAIDER makes a couple versions
JK Cast Snorkel
This doesn't allow you to keep the factory antenna location.

JK Expedition Snorkel
If it came down to it, the expedition snorkel would be a choice but from what I have read, there is a lot of modifying especially to the filter housing.

The aev I don't particularly care for as far as aesthetics but at this moment is my top choice :/

The river raider is a cool option just because of the various options but I really don't want to relocate the antenna if I can get away with it. But it is cool getting the options of different build materials.

Well maybe by April there will be far more options since that's when I'm doing all of my hardware upgrades.
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Talking CORRECTION: Wiper Blades Work With RR Snorkel

RUGGED RIDGE

I talked to Vin with the Rugged Ridge Snorkel. (Pics from my Rugged Ridge Snorkel install - JeepForum.com) He said that you can still use your wiper blades with the air ram. He was saying that you cannot flip them up, like you would to clean them. He also said that his mpg seems the same, and he doesn't notice any extra noise. I'm not sure when these will be out for the 2012.

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Looks like Quadratec overstated the improvement with the new snorkel.
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QUADRATEC SITE...This updated version of AEV’s Snorkel Kit is now compatible with the 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine and features a larger cross section design for an amazing 80% increase in air flow, compared to the previous generation snorkel system.
I found this post over at the AEV forum.

POST #3 Admin AEV Dave 2nd gen AEV snorkel - American Expedition Vehicles - Product Forums
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Here is the deal:
  • The "flows 80% better" figure is a mistake. Somehow between the engineering and marketing departments there was confusion. I think what happened is engineering explained that the opening at the top is roughly 80% larger, which does improve airflow, but not by 80% throughout the entire system. The top opening is just one piece of the puzzle. I'll be sure to work with Quaratec to change that text.
  • I know that an aftermarket supercharger company tested the old snorkel with disappointing results. They did that on a stationary dyno which is not a true reflection of performance. When the snorkel is moving the airflow is significantly more than on a stationary dyno. This is true with both ram and prefilter style heads. Case in point: we just tested two identical 6.4s at the dragstrip. even with the old version of the snorkel, both were running nearly identical times (the snorkel was consistently slightly better) The 6.4 obviously uses significantly more air than the supercharged 3.8. Also, over the years, I think people would notice if the snorkel actually reduced 3.8L HP numbers significantly, there just isn't enough there. In fact, I think most owners would say there is no difference or even slightly better performance.
  • The new snorkel can provide more than enough airflow for the 6.4L, but there is really no reason to change out snorkels if you already have one unless you want the newer prefilter.
The reason the new snorkel flows better is for two reasons:
  1. The 3.6 does need more air than the 3.8 did, so Jeep enlarged the opening in the airbox for it, and by default the 3.6L version of our snorkel now has a larger opening.
  2. After doing a snorkel project for the Military J8, we discovered that we wanted to change prefilters to a non collecting version that offered better filtration, convenience for not having to empty the bowl, and better airflow, that required moving up to a 4" diameter end from a 3".

I think this is the testing he was talking about on youtube, but the snorkel prefilter isn't stock, and they are using their CAI .
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YOUTUBE DESCRIPTION: Test 2 of 2 Supercharger and Snorkel. This test shows the HP and Trq lost when running a snorkel system on our RIPP supercharger for Jeep Wrangler JK's. There is over a 30 rear wheel HP loss and 30lbs of torque.


LITTLE GEMS WHEN SEARCHING SNORKELS
Also when googleing I found a cool DIY snorkel write-up JK Custom Cowl Snorkel? - JeepForum.com

I also found the most bad ass mo fo snorkel ever over at JKO. It was on a pretty good discusion about snorkel options in 2009. What is the "best" snorkel? - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum


MPG
After going through tons of threads, most everyone is saying that a snorkel will keep you mpg about the same or maybe very slightly improve it.

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Old 09-12-2012, 05:13 PM   #10
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Still need more snorkel options of course it may take another year before we get them.
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:03 PM   #12
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Looked at this one and I'm not paying that much for a snorkel and one that doesn't show usable on 2012's. Looked at it on the manufacturer site a week or two ago. Thanks for the thought though
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best looking, and perhaps most effective I've seen;
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/hist...ep-J8.-1aw.htm
But haven't found a source yet.
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Have the river raider....less "attention seeking" than the others IMHO...but it was a big install for the shop (they did not charge for their confused periods...lets just say they charge 25% of what they could...it was their first one and there is a learning curve for sure.....not hard, but a bit complex).

2014 is a little different than what the installation instructions sent suggested...just a little extra stuff to do here and there to make it fit. I did not install it, so I cannot give that data.

I am very happy however. Very high quality and equal to the mil spec one I had on a defender 110.
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My ? with that one is how crazy long the flow is. The J8 type is short, direct and functional.
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And right where the wave of water goes into the engine

I have the RIPP SC and am looking for a snorkel solution as well. I would be happy with doing a DIY cowl induction like the windstar set up, but I can't find anyone who has done one with the 3.6.
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Another member and I are working on a design that is similar to the J8 in location, but is mounted directly to the existing intake box with a hole cut in the hood. It would have a Donaldson Top-Spin visible. Hoping to have a prototype on mine in the near future.
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So I've been looking for snorkels or I think they are called prefilter? Not sure I'm new to this side of it. Anyways, I've seen one snorkel for the 2012 JKU and Up. I love AEV but not their snorkel. So I'm making this page for snorkel info as it comes available. So anyone find any new ones?
Here is just a Snorkel Pre-Filter.



Some snorkels will come with a pre-filter and some just use the filter under the hood to clean the air before it gets to the engine.

The Red Rock 4x4 Snorkel is a great piece at a great price.

I also really like the look of the Wild Boar Snorkel. It is super smooth and blends in nicely with the lines of the Jeep.

Let me know if you have any questions at all.

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