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Old 11-01-2013, 03:43 PM   #1
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Anyone running dedicated show tires like Blizzaks on their Wranglers? How do you like them?

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I run DuraTracs year-round here in Wisconsin. I ran Blizzaks in Colorado (non-Jeep) and can hardly tell the difference.

Just me, perhaps.

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There is NO COMPARISON between dedicated snow tires and all-seasons! NONE! The biggest difference is the tire compound. A snow tire compound stays softer and grips the road better especially under 45*. You can feel the difference in a parking lot between to two tires.
I've run snow tires on EVERY vehicle 2wd and 4wd since college. I will never run an all season or mud tire in the winter again. I personally like Hankook I-pike's they are reasonably priced, have large voids for deep snow and a ton of sipes (little cuts that grip packed ice and snow.) I'm pricing wheels and tires right now for winter. Probably pick up some take offs on CL and then get the Hankooks. I run beadlocks so I'm not dealing with that headache for snow tires. Once you run snow tires you'll never run anything else in winter. Plus your MT's will last longer if you run snow tires...
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Just me, perhaps.
Like I said.
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Ohio is not exactly the snow capitol of the country but we get our fair share. The Duratracs will perform almost as well as a dedicated snow tire and just as well if you stud them.
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Ohio is not exactly the snow capitol of the country but we get our fair share. The Duratracs will perform almost as well as a dedicated snow tire and just as well if you stud them.
Is it legal to stud tires in Ohio?
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The Duratracs will perform ... just as well if you stud them.
Negatory.
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Is it legal to stud tires in Ohio?
Yes it is from the first day of November of each year through the fifteenth day of April of the succeeding year.
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Negatory.
Explain if you disagree.
I have found that the only time dedicated snow tires do better than an AT tire like the Duratrac is on ice.The Duratrac will do better in deep snow and with studs will do as well one the ice and hard pack.
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Explain if you disagree.
I have found that the only time dedicated snow tires do better than an AT tire like the Duratrac is on ice.The Duratrac will do better in deep snow and with studs will do as well one the ice and hard pack.
Deep snow, yes. Packed snow, maybe. Ice, no. More specifically, the colder it gets, the better the snow tire will perform relative to even a studded Duratrac.

That's not to say the Duratrac isn't the right tire for the OP, but there is nothing in a year-round tread compound with moderate siping like the Duratrac (studded or not) that is going to come close on ice to a dedicated snow tire when it gets really cold.
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Ok we ar on the same page and I follow what you are saying and agree . The rubber compound on a dedicated winter tire will stay soft to lower temperatures which helps to a point.Even a dedicated winter tire will reach a point when they dont hold traction.On ice the studs will be just as useful on either tire and should perform very close.

Its all relative to where you live and what kind of roads you travel.If you live in the city where the roads are kept plowed and you will only be driving on thin snow and hard pack with some ice then a dedicated winter snow tire will offer the best service for you. If you live in the sticks like me and you are lucky if you see a snow plow all winter you will find yourself busting hood deep snow drifts and easing down ice packed hills something like the DT with studs is hard to beat.
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Deep snow, yes. Packed snow, maybe. Ice, no. More specifically, the colder it gets, the better the snow tire will perform relative to even a studded Duratrac. That's not to say the Duratrac isn't the right tire for the OP, but there is nothing in a year-round tread compound with moderate siping like the Duratrac (studded or not) that is going to come close on ice to a dedicated snow tire when it gets really cold.
I disagree, a studded tire of any sort will blow away any none studded ice/snow hands down. Car iceracing up here has 2 classes, studded and non studded.. Studded are way faster and more controlled.
100% ice tires like Blizzacks are designed for areas where studs are not allowed. They work great but a studded Duratrac is the best of both worlds and also preferred by Police, fire and emergency services up north. Especially where they run ice roads.
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Here is a video that Tire rack put out. They sell all kinds of tires so there is no reason to point you one way or the other.

http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=23&tab=winter
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I disagree, a studded tire of any sort will blow away any none studded ice/snow hands down. Car iceracing up here has 2 classes, studded and non studded.. Studded are way faster and more controlled.
100% ice tires like Blizzacks are designed for areas where studs are not allowed. They work great but a studded Duratrac is the best of both worlds and also preferred by Police, fire and emergency services up north. Especially where they run ice roads.
I should have been more clear, I was assuming the snow tires were studded (at least for the purposes of comparison to the studded Duratrac).
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Ok we ar on the same page and I follow what you are saying and agree . The rubber compound on a dedicated winter tire will stay soft to lower temperatures which helps to a point.Even a dedicated winter tire will reach a point when they dont hold traction.On ice the studs will be just as useful on either tire and should perform very close.

Its all relative to where you live and what kind of roads you travel.If you live in the city where the roads are kept plowed and you will only be driving on thin snow and hard pack with some ice then a dedicated winter snow tire will offer the best service for you. If you live in the sticks like me and you are lucky if you see a snow plow all winter you will find yourself busting hood deep snow drifts and easing down ice packed hills something like the DT with studs is hard to beat.
I agree but I'd also add that there are some circumstances (extreme cold) where snow tires with studs are going to do significantly better than Duratracs with studs. Especially for stopping. But I also agree that is temperature-dependent and there are PLENTY of folks for whom even an unstudded AT is really the best winter option.
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On average, all season compounds take of 110ft to stop in icy conditions
A winter rated tire will stop in about 60ft.

That is pretty significant.

If you get cold enough for regular ice, freezing rain, sleet or snow. (I get everything) winter tires are the best thing ever.

Also, as long as you don't spin them excessively fast on the highway, or run them in hot weather, they wear pretty slowly. I have always run dedicated winter 5-6mo a year for my climate.

Another benefit is going a size down in tire to drop your C-o-G a bit if the vehicle does break loose.
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I agree but I'd also add that there are some circumstances (extreme cold) where snow tires with studs are going to do significantly better than Duratracs with studs. Especially for stopping. But I also agree that is temperature-dependent and there are PLENTY of folks for whom even an unstudded AT is really the best winter option.
Extreme cold also means extreme snow in which a standard snow/ice tire with studs will not be better then a Duratrac in deeper snow. The studs do most of the work, the side biters and aggressive tread do the rest, rubber compound really doesn't factor in.

These snow/ice specific radials are designed more for the average small SUV, minivan or car that will likely spend a 1' snow day in the driveway rather then out in the snow.

Personally we have run Pitbull Rockers the last 2 winters and they hold their own on the winter roads but I have yet to find a better tire in deep snow. And yes I also ran 35" Duratracs for a winter "without studs" I might ad and they did just fine. I put Blizzaks on my wife's Caravan and they are awesome until the snow gets heavy and over 6".

You are correct though, tires are/can be, area dependent but they are also vehicle appropriate. If you could buy a 35" Studdable Blizzak with sidebiters you would have an awesome winter only tire. However they don't so the Duratrac is the next beat thing.
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My 315 duratracs are beasts in snow!
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A studded tire will stop faster on ice then any non studded tire whether winter compound or all season.
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I'm really surprised to see such debate on this. I lived in tahoe a good portion of my adult life so we got a little bit of snow every winter. I never had any need for anything other than all weather tires on either my grand wagoneer, TJ or even on either of my A4's.

Granted studs are great for traction but not necessary at all unless you're dealing with a lot of ice. Maybe that's what the debate here is about. Dedicated non-studded snows I never bothered with. Never felt a huge diff.
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It all depends on your driving conditions and what you use your jk for... I for one love winter wheeling here in western Alberta and for that reason alone I went with duratracs, winter tires are great on the highway but when off road and in deep snow they're pretty useless... Now if I lived in the city and dealt primarily with icy and hard packed snow then id likely run dedicated snow/ice tires. I love how this forum is so opinion based and people will argue their points to the death lmao
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I never had any need for anything other than all weather tires
Same here. When we bought our first Jeep last winter it snowed about 14 inches worth several weeks later. I just put 'er into 4H and never had any problem with the stock tires that it came with. First time in my life I've actually looked forward to a huge snowstorm to drive in.
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If you are really concerned about winter safety on pavement in an area that sees substantial winter weather, use dedicated winter tires. for heavens sake avoid any kind of mud tire unless you are blazing trails through deep snow.
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I only had time to skim through this article, but it had the usual argument against studded tires: that they are beneficial for only 3% of driving conditions. The thing is, that 3% is where 90% of the accidents happen. Where I live, we have a lot of thaw-freeze cycles due to "chinooks." That makes for a lot of black ice.

I run studded tires on my minivan, pretty sure I am gong to get them for my '13 Wrangler.
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I only had time to skim through this article, but it had the usual argument against studded tires: that they are beneficial for only 3% of driving conditions. The thing is, that 3% is where 90% of the accidents happen. Where I live, we have a lot of thaw-freeze cycles due to "chinooks." That makes for a lot of black ice.

I run studded tires on my minivan, pretty sure I am gong to get them for my '13 Wrangler.
I am all for studded tires, but i also think the compound is very important. A studded duratrac isn't on the same level as a studded dedicated winter tire on ice. doesnt mean it isnt a great choice, just understand what compromises you are making.
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I only had time to skim through this article, but it had the usual argument against studded tires: that they are beneficial for only 3% of driving conditions. The thing is, that 3% is where 90% of the accidents happen. Where I live, we have a lot of thaw-freeze cycles due to "chinooks." That makes for a lot of black ice.

I run studded tires on my minivan, pretty sure I am gong to get them for my '13 Wrangler.
Same climate here. Black ice eats any vehicle. Winter tires save lives.

I have honestly motored past many folks on big tires because they just don't put down the psi to crawl glare ice in a simple intersection. A 5º climb from dead on glass-smooth ice is tricky.

I have 285/70/16 arctic claw studded for the Jeep this year my wretched east koot roads. Never drive winter here without studs.
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Unfortunately we get our share of black ice here and of course the occasional rain turned into a sheet of glass smooth ice. About the only thing you can do is get over on the berm of the road and try to find some traction.Had one couple years ago I drove my Cummins home from work 17 miles with 2 wheels off the road just trying to get some traction.The final hill coming down to my road there is no berm its just a ditch so i popped up on the road and slide down sideways and got lucky and cought a dry spot that shot me off onto my road. Not worth it I tell you next time I will just stay home or stay at work.Studs or not ice and hills suck.
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+1 on the benefits of dedicated snow tires.

On a 4wd vehicle like a wrangler....if you put it in 4H, a snow rated all-season like the Duratrac is probably all you'll ever need, and it's still fantastic in warmer weather (as well as deeper snow). Just remember that 4WD does not improve your stopping distances, drive appropriately, and you'll be fine. Hard to get stuck unless you really fuck it up.

If you're in an environment where <40F temperatures are the norm, a dedicated snow tire would improve on Duratracs even more. I ran WinterContact Continentals on my ~500hp Mustang in Germany winters and I got around better than most the locals.

But if you only have a month or two of <40F temps....Duratracs or something comparable are more than enough. Or honestly, the stock tires your Jeep came with. They're actually not bad. Just remember: 4WD does not improve braking distances.

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