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Old 05-18-2013, 09:35 AM   #1
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Soft doors. Gr.

I really want soft doors for my jeep so i can take my doors off and throw them in the back while im driving to work (since i drive a truck and leave the jeep there for weeks at a time...)...cant really do that with hard doors.... I already have the mirror relocation brackets ordered.

Im a couple bucks short of being able to afford $489 from quadratec ( Bestop 51798-35 - Bestop® 2-Piece Front Doors in Black Diamond for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec )

So i saw these, Bestop 53040-35 - Bestop® Front Half Doors in Black Diamond for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec , bestop soft half doors. Then I could buy the uppers later..... but it says on the ad that these do not accept uppers. Well WTF? Why would bestop do that?

So does anyone know if i have to actually buy the uppers and lowers together like quadratec claims i do? What's the reason?

I do see that summit racing has a better price at $459, plus they wont screw me on shipping like quadratec.....but, other than that, is there an even better price somewhere? If i could get them more like $400 i could buy them right now...which would make me happy..

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Holy crap. I love you man. I just ordered them. Theyll be at my mommas house before i get there...

I still dont reallllllly have the money but meh.........this will allow me to run doors off soooooo much more....
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Holy crap. I love you man. I just ordered them. Theyll be at my mommas house before i get there...

I still dont reallllllly have the money but meh.........this will allow me to run doors off soooooo much more....
Did you read the reviews of those amazon doors before you ordered them ?? If not , take a look , the 1st couple I read were 1 star disappointed buyers
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Amazon doors? Theyre the same exact doors quadratec and summit racing have. Have heard a bunch of good reviews too...if they dont work as doors theyll go back.

Furthermore, i would think the same company that makes the oem top would be able to make a door.
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Amazon doors? Theyre the same exact doors quadratec and summit racing have. Have heard a bunch of good reviews too...if they dont work as doors theyll go back.

Furthermore, i would think the same company that makes the oem top would be able to make a door.
I meant the amazon listing . I know they are the same ones on quadratec. I was just trying to be helpful and point out the reviews that I read from that listing
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I meant the amazon listing . I know they are the same ones on quadratec. I was just trying to be helpful and point out the reviews that I read from that listing
Ok i gotcha. Yeah i saw those but theyre the only soft doors on the market at all. Im willing to take the risk for the ability to run doorless so much more often. Cant really keep hard doors with me all the time. But i dont understsnd how they can be as bad as some of the reviews. Theres even a few people that had good experiences with them. its possible there may have been a defective batch. I would think that bestop could make a door that worked as a door.

The majority of the complaints are about the uppers pulling away from the roof at speed. If they fit well when stopped, then i believe i could fix this by welding reinforcements to the door frame where it flexes worst case scenario.

Kinda hard to fabricate the fabric though
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You will have to do a lot of bending to get the doors to fit. Mine finally fit pretty well after weeks of tweaking. The biggest problem is, as you mentioned, the fact that the uppers lean out at the top at anything above about 45 mph...and at a much slower speed in wind. Use a bench vise to carefully bend the pins that fit into the lowers. You'll need to make the upper window lean inward so that the top touches the door surround before any other part of the door when you shut it...which actually makes it somewhat of a pain to shut. I actually have to hold the top edge of the upper out on the driver's side to be able to shut the door. At some point, I will try to re-bend the pins a little to eliminate that problem.

The problem with welding a brace is that the fabric cannot be removed...it's sewn onto the frame. I tried using JB Weld to attach a 1/2" steel brace at a point that would minimize flex in the lower door. It has worked on the driver's door so far, but did not hold on the passenger side.
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Here's a photo of the 1/2" steel bar I added. The flex point on the lower door is at the bottom of the V you see in the photo. The bar definitely reduced flex...but I don't trust the strength of the JB Weld. It did not hold on the passenger's side. Welding a bar in that position would be much better if you can do it without frying the fabric.
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Why was that bar needed? I missed that part.

Why are we paying almost 500 for this crap that obviously was never even tested?

I read another poston here where a guy said that the uppers were bent in like you described, from the factory. Very strange....
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I have had these doors for about a year. They do require some tweaking and have their downsides, and since they are so expensive they shouldn't require all the hassle. Get some pipe insulation to put on the frame so that the fabric doesn't hit the frame and make that " machine gun " sound on the highway.

They key is not only to bend the 3 pins on the upper, but to have the adjustment collars on the front most pin, and the rear most pin in the "sweet spot" so that when the upper contacts the door surround it Is just underneath it without a big gap.

I have 37s, a 3.5 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift on my 2 door- when the wind gets blowin I definitely feel it. I drive on the highway all the time, 65+ and the uppers do not flutter since they are positioned correctly and I remove them all the time.

Don't forget, your essentially purchasing these doors to never use them if that makes sense. I leave my lowers in all the time, but I only use the uppers when its raining or we encounter chilly nights.

As for the water leaks, there is definitely some leakage but nothing to crazy. I have seen pics of hardtops with much worse water leakage then what these doors do. I also spray them with waterproofing spray that you would use on a tent.

Check this thread where I listed the pros and cons and provided a link to another thread with a lot of pics. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/bes...-a-226168.html
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Why was that bar needed? I missed that part.

Why are we paying almost 500 for this crap that obviously was never even tested?

I read another poston here where a guy said that the uppers were bent in like you described, from the factory. Very strange....
You mentioned reinforcing the doors at the flex point. The V on the lower door is that flex point. It flexes above the latch and hinge pin, allowing all 3 of the "pin holders" on the lower door to lean outward. When that flex is eliminated, the top of the upper does not separate from the door surround. It still helps to bend the pins on the upper so the top leans in more. If Bestop would have just welded a support in the spot where I added the bar, just about all of their complaints regarding the uppers leaning out would be eliminated.

And as mentioned in the above post, you need to minimize the space between the door and outer edges of the door surround (especially at the forward edge on the windshield) to give the wind less surface to grab.
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Oh, i see.

What do you mean im purchasing these doors to never use them? They were advertised like i could use them any time it was raining or chilly.
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Oh, i see.

What do you mean im purchasing these doors to never use them? They were advertised like i could use them any time it was raining or chilly.
Im assuming your getting these doors to take them off as much as possible, that's what I do with mine. And yeah your right, the only time youll be using them is when its raining or cold like I said in my above post " Don't forget, your essentially purchasing these doors to never use them if that makes sense. I leave my lowers in all the time, but I only use the uppers when its raining or we encounter chilly nights."

. I don't think anyone is buying these doors to leave them on 100 percent of the time. I take the uppers off every chance I get.

My point is, even though the uppers are a pain in the ass, your not dealing with them every time your driving your jeep. So the downsides of the uppers only show themselves as often as your running them.

That's not to say that they suck and are completely worthless. by now im sure you know they require some work post-purchase and for my application and the way I use them, I would totally recommend them. After using them for awhile and getting to know the way they "work" youll love them. Just tryin to give you as much info as possible.

And to Moabite above, that's pretty cool what you did with the frame. I have seen my buddy hang on top of the upper to try and get as much bend as possible. Since the frame is set up the way it is, sometimes it can be difficult and awkward.
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I got ya. Yeah, i took them off to increase abilities to run doorless. I also ordered a mirror relocation kit at the same time the 60 dollar rugged ridge "omg whys it 60 dollars one". But honestly the cheaper ones dont look as good...

I only made that other post to make sure you were thinking what i was thinking. I have seen some really terrible reviews for them and all...
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Before you bash Quadratec too much, make sure you contact the Quadratec rep on this forum. They will usually hook you up with free shipping or some other great deal. I have ordered from them several times. No issues and very fast on shipping. Make sure you do your research. I hate to see people disrespect companies that support this forum and its members.
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I got ya. Yeah, i took them off to increase abilities to run doorless. I also ordered a mirror relocation kit at the same time the 60 dollar rugged ridge "omg whys it 60 dollars one". But honestly the cheaper ones dont look as good...

I only made that other post to make sure you were thinking what i was thinking. I have seen some really terrible reviews for them and all...
In my opinion, the mirrors are a pain to relocate. I relocated them on my girlfriend's 08. I have the Lange mirrors. A small bracket stays on the windshield and their mirror assembly goes on or off with the twist of a knob. The mirrors do not have to be removed and remounted on the factory doors that way.
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I have these mirrors mounted on to the door. http://www.quadratec.com/products/pr...it=Go&sv=&sa=1

http://www.quadratec.com/products/13011_1000.htm

I like the way they look. Because they are attached to the doors, they move around a little but are still usable
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Before you bash Quadratec too much, make sure you contact the Quadratec rep on this forum. They will usually hook you up with free shipping or some other great deal. I have ordered from them several times. No issues and very fast on shipping. Make sure you do your research. I hate to see people disrespect companies that support this forum and its members.
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Really? Ok.

That said i ordered those mirror relocator brackets from them. Free shippping. 4 wheel parts lost my business for good. Said they wouldnt ship to an address not on my credit card. Atleast qtec works with me. But shipping prices based on price of order? Wtf....
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In my opinion, the mirrors are a pain to relocate. I relocated them on my girlfriend's 08. I have the Lange mirrors. A small bracket stays on the windshield and their mirror assembly goes on or off with the twist of a knob. The mirrors do not have to be removed and remounted on the factory doors that way.
We will see how the relocating goes. ive seen the lange mirrors but thought they just went in the door hinge? Which wouldnt work with soft doors
I doubt ill use the hard doors at all until december. moving the mirrors once a year shouldnt be too bad.
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We will see how the relocating goes. ive seen the lange mirrors but thought they just went in the door hinge? Which wouldnt work with soft doors
I doubt ill use the hard doors at all until december. moving the mirrors once a year shouldnt be too bad.
I think they are called the Lange Mirror II. They attach to a small bracket that mounts on the windshield frame.
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Thanks. I see those now. And i've seen them before, just forgot the name. Looks like a good system but i dont like the way they look. I did consider them though. The rugged ridge system looks basically stock. I wanna see how bad this passenger side mirror problem is though..

By the way i drove past moab the other day. Grr. Wish i had a jeep with me...
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Oh, and as for quadratec. So order shipped yesterday, monday. Expected delivery? Next tuesday. Of course, I usually get these packages several days earlier than "expected", but still. It seems like they've found the slowest possible shipping method possible. Why can't they just UPS ground them? FedEx smartpost is so slow that a bicycle courier would be faster. Why does FedEx smartpost even exist at all? Basically fedex delivers the package to the US post office in Belleville, MI and they get it to me. Seems like mail would be a lot better idea......

That said, I really miss DHL. They were the best small package carrier. Made UPS look bad..
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So i got the doors installed. Having the seperation issue above 60 or so but theyre otherwise fine....hmm.
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Seperation seems to be my only problem. Theyre sealing very well id say, its storming pretty good out right now and just a few little dribbles. I really like how i can unzip the back of the window only which gives me a nice amount of air flow without any rain getting in......

Oh and theres nowhere to put my arm
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Moabite, i will be doing the steel bar and ducttape mod you did tomorrow. The flapping on these doors was horrible. I got some pipe insulation and put it in the spots where the flapping happens. now i can hear the stereo.
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I find it shocking these things sell for $500. My neighbor has them and they are rubbish at best. But I wish I had them.
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Moabite, i will be doing the steel bar and ducttape mod you did tomorrow. The flapping on these doors was horrible. I got some pipe insulation and put it in the spots where the flapping happens. now i can hear the stereo.
I used half-inch steel bars...and they had to be bent so they make contact with the 3 bars on the door. A straight bar will not contact the middle bar on the door. It doesn't seem like duct tape would hold very well...and might stretch. I used JB Weld...it held on one door only...I will need to redo the other door. The best option woukd be to weld it, if you can do so with the door skins attached.
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I only have an acetylene torch and ive already caught a body mount on fire with it. Haha. An arc welder could probably do it with dry ice wedged in there. But i dont have one and i dont know anyone crazy enough to try it.

I have no seperation at all but my gf cant close the door. Now i just wish i could cut down a little of the road noise. But i am happy with these.

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