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Old 03-30-2011, 06:12 PM   #1
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soft top initial installation

Okay, so I took my new 2010 Sahara 2-door dual top option to the dealer for my 1st oil change.
While there, I asked what it entailed to do the initial install of the soft top.
He said it is a laborous task. Approx 3-4 hours.
He said once you do it, its gravy after that, because you just roll it down and put the hard top on right over it for the winter months?
Now I read in the manual and on this site that you should never keep the soft top installed when the hard top is on. I removed the soft top right after my purchase. I still have the two boxes(unopened with windows & surrounds).
So tell me, is this guy blowing smoke?
Im assuming whatever(surrounds) is in those boxes has to come off everytime you go back to the hard top.
Will it really be a 3-4 hour ordeal every spring?
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That guy is like most dealers and doesn't know jack about jeeps. You do NOT keep the soft top folded down while the hard top is on. Total install takes about 30 minutes. Maybe an hour for your first time but that's really stretching it.

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Scooter is correct. Your dual top soft top is almost entirely assembled and it should only take you about an hour. The guy at the dealer is saying that it will take 3-4 hours because thats the time it takes to put a soft together from scratch and throw it on the jeep. I got mine from a dual top take off and I put it on in 45 minutes.
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A related question. If I have the dual top and am going on a road trip bit want to travel with the hard top and gave the soft top when I get there, will it be detrimental to the soft top to ride folded down in the hard top for a day drive down? Or just better off riding down w the soft top only?

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I doubt it'll hurt much just for a trip, but removing and storing the hard top once you get there will be a huge pain... If it were me, I'd just rock the soft top...
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i doubt it'll hurt much just for a trip, but removing and storing the hard top once you get there will be a huge pain... If it were me, i'd just rock the soft top...
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sorry if I am misunderstanding this, because I was under the impression it was perfectly ok to have the soft top (obviously down) while the hard top is on.

so from the replies, I am reading that with dual tops, it is advised to completely remove the soft top when using the hard top.

So every summer, I should re-install the soft top, and then when it's time to switch back, remove the soft top completely (not just fold it down) before putting the hard top back on for cold weather?

I have never had dual tops, in my first 2 Wranglers I had soft, but on my 2011, I decided to treat myself with both.

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sorry if I am misunderstanding this, because I was under the impression it was perfectly ok to have the soft top (obviously down) while the hard top is on.

so from the replies, I am reading that with dual tops, it is advised to completely remove the soft top when using the hard top.

So every summer, I should re-install the soft top, and then when it's time to switch back, remove the soft top completely (not just fold it down) before putting the hard top back on for cold weather?

I have never had dual tops, in my first 2 Wranglers I had soft, but on my 2011, I decided to treat myself with both.

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Yeah, it is advised to remove the soft top when the hardtop is in use because parts of the hard top can rub at the soft top fabric and eventually tear through and cause damage (or so they say). Plus you are loosing a lot of storage room by keeping the soft top back there.
Depending on how much you like to take the top off, you might just want to stay with the soft top. I probably have my top off at least half of the year so there is no way I am going back to the hard top.
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thanks tysalem...I see you are in AZ, here in Kansas, we have this thing called winter, hehehe, so I think the hard top will be back on for when that comes.

I usually visit family in Scottsdale every winter, just so I can get my golf fix taken care of until it warms up here.
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thanks tysalem...I see you are in AZ, here in Kansas, we have this thing called winter, hehehe, so I think the hard top will be back on for when that comes.

I usually visit family in Scottsdale every winter, just so I can get my golf fix taken care of until it warms up here.
Haha, yeah I love the weather here, however, it's supposed to get up to 97 on friday almost too hot for the soft top to be down.

I love the golf here in Phoenix, I haven't played too much in Scottsdale though. I'll have to make my way up there soon to play.
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yep, that is the reason I only try to visit there during the 'winter', though it does get nice and humid here too.

last time I was down there, my uncle took me to TPC, and my cousin took me to I think Desert Canyon?

I think so far my favorite was The Phoenician. Of course my Uncle made the tee time at TPC too close to my flight back home, so I had to quit after 9 there. The Phoenician was the first time I ever saw a free driving range, plus valet's who cleaned each club and carried your bag to the car afterwards, I felt like a rich person
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yep, that is the reason I only try to visit there during the 'winter', though it does get nice and humid here too.

last time I was down there, my uncle took me to TPC, and my cousin took me to I think Desert Canyon?

I think so far my favorite was The Phoenician. Of course my Uncle made the tee time at TPC too close to my flight back home, so I had to quit after 9 there. The Phoenician was the first time I ever saw a free driving range, plus valet's who cleaned each club and carried your bag to the car afterwards, I felt like a rich person
Ha, I've been to just a few courses with a free driving range and the nice amenities. It does make you feel important
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thanks tysalem...I see you are in AZ, here in Kansas, we have this thing called winter, hehehe, so I think the hard top will be back on for when that comes.

I usually visit family in Scottsdale every winter, just so I can get my golf fix taken care of until it warms up here.
Arizona has this thing called "night" where the desert gets really cold really fast.
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Arizona has this thing called "night" where the desert gets really cold really fast.
Yeah for a lot of the year it does get cold at night, however, in the middle of the summer it stays above 100 throughout the night.
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What a load of crap. What's up with dealers not knowing about the cars they sell :-/
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thanks tysalem...I see you are in AZ, here in Kansas, we have this thing called winter, hehehe, so I think the hard top will be back on for when that comes.
If you're in the KC area, click the link in my signature for more info. What part of KS are you in? We head to Tuttle and KSRocks a lot.
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Tuttle huh? is that Stampede? Dangit I will be there, hopefully with this heaping pile of soft top crap that I have no idea how to install. My dealership told me it would take 4-6 hours to put on, and cost $450. I said neat, and hung up. so anyone around Lincoln NE that would like to install this for me, I got a case of Bud Light waiting.
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If you're in the KC area, click the link in my signature for more info. What part of KS are you in? We head to Tuttle and KSRocks a lot.
I did!

Currently I am in Spring Hill, about 10 miles south of Olathe. My place is for sale though, and once that finally happens, I will be moving to Lee's Summit.
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Tuttle huh? is that Stampede? Dangit I will be there, hopefully with this heaping pile of soft top crap that I have no idea how to install. My dealership told me it would take 4-6 hours to put on, and cost $450. I said neat, and hung up. so anyone around Lincoln NE that would like to install this for me, I got a case of Bud Light waiting.
It's not hard to install a soft top. Did you say it was already in the Jeep, just wrapped from the factory? Or is the entire thing in boxes disassembled?
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It was in the jeep rolled up.
I disconnected from the roll bar and put it away for the winter.
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Just got home after having the dealer install mine. I didn't attempt it myself, since when I bought it, I paid for both tops.

The parts dept claimed it was an 1.5 hr job. 6 hours later it was done. The service dept, said it arrived there in separate boxes, nothing assembled.

Now I just need a buddy to come over and help me remove the hard top, then I get to learn how to put this one up, looks a ton different than my old TJ.
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Yeah, it is advised to remove the soft top when the hardtop is in use because parts of the hard top can rub at the soft top fabric and eventually tear through and cause damage (or so they say). Plus you are loosing a lot of storage room by keeping the soft top back there.
Depending on how much you like to take the top off, you might just want to stay with the soft top. I probably have my top off at least half of the year so there is no way I am going back to the hard top.

Forgive me for being a little naive when it comes to this hard top / soft top business... I'm pretty green at the moment (actually I'm a first time Jeep owner as of ~72 hrs ago...THATs how green I am). I have a 2011 sport with hard top now and am getting a soft top installed soon. when making the switch from soft back to hard: when you say 'it is advised to remove the soft top' -- does this mean the fabric and framing together? or can you take off just the fabric and have the frame folded down with the hard top on?
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Forgive me for being a little naive when it comes to this hard top / soft top business... I'm pretty green at the moment (actually I'm a first time Jeep owner as of ~72 hrs ago...THATs how green I am). I have a 2011 sport with hard top now and am getting a soft top installed soon. when making the switch from soft back to hard: when you say 'it is advised to remove the soft top' -- does this mean the fabric and framing together? or can you take off just the fabric and have the frame folded down with the hard top on?
You definitely do not have to take apart the soft top before removing it. The soft top frame is held on the jeep by two hex screws on each side of the roll bars. You can remove those screws and the soft top will come off completely intact. You can just store it in a safe place while the hardtop is on.
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Just got home after having the dealer install mine. I didn't attempt it myself, since when I bought it, I paid for both tops.

The parts dept claimed it was an 1.5 hr job. 6 hours later it was done. The service dept, said it arrived there in separate boxes, nothing assembled.

Now I just need a buddy to come over and help me remove the hard top, then I get to learn how to put this one up, looks a ton different than my old TJ.
WOW! Dealer fail........ Ours came completely unassembled in boxes, and my husband and I put it together twice in about 2.5 hrs.... Twice because the first time we did the sunrider springs wrong.... I hope they didn't charge you for more than the 1.5 hrs....
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Thanks -- I assumed that was the case, I just wanted to be sure!
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i just installed my soft top today on a 2011 wrangler 2 door. ill tell you the instructions suck really bad. i dont think ive ever seen such bad instructions to do something. the top i got was ordered from the jeep dealership the instructions said mopar on them so its factory. it came with all the screws i needed. i got it all together and it doesnt seem to want to close very easy. im actually having a hard time getting it to latch in the front. going to garage it and put it out in the sun tomorrow and hope it will stretch out a bit. does anyone know it that is normal or is something wrong. and if anyone puts one together make sure you put stuff down on the floor a blanket or cardboard will work if you dont it will scratch and scuff the top and rails.
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i just installed my soft top today on a 2011 wrangler 2 door. ill tell you the instructions suck really bad. i dont think ive ever seen such bad instructions to do something. the top i got was ordered from the jeep dealership the instructions said mopar on them so its factory. it came with all the screws i needed. i got it all together and it doesnt seem to want to close very easy. im actually having a hard time getting it to latch in the front. going to garage it and put it out in the sun tomorrow and hope it will stretch out a bit. does anyone know it that is normal or is something wrong. and if anyone puts one together make sure you put stuff down on the floor a blanket or cardboard will work if you dont it will scratch and scuff the top and rails.
I just removed my 2012 hardtop and put the soft top up today. From what I understand it is a tight fit when it's a new top. I used the sun trick, but mine still took quite a bit of pulling and adjusting. I was able to get it done without help though (except for lifting the hard top off).

(Sorry, I'm a newbie, so forgive me if I use weird names or descriptions for each component.)
What I ended up doing, after some trial and error, was leaving the rear-pillars(?) free and pulling the top forward to allow the pins by the sun-rider hinges to latch. I then pulled all the slack toward the rear end and was able to anchor the back pillars. I was then able to fold the sun-rider portion forward and reach the main front wind shield anchors. This was after trying repeatedly to anchor the rear pillars first and stretch the top forward without success.
For the back windows I started the zipper (only a couple inches), then placed the front seem in the correct groove. Next I positioned the plastic ridge beneath the window in its corresponding groove. The last step was finishing off the zipper and velcro.

I hope that makes sense and helps a little.

Sorry for those of you who find this remedial, but for a brand new jeep owner like myself, this was quite the learning experience.

If anyone has any tips for the JK rear window bar let me know. Mine sorta looks right, but the clamps that were included to secure it in place do not fit well. Bad enough that I'm convinced I don't know how to do it.
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thanks for the info i will try that in the sun tomorrow my only concern is if i have it in the sunrider position and im just trying to close the top will i have to always have to unbuckle the back wings. in all the videos ive watched it just doesnt look that hard

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