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Old 10-02-2012, 11:15 AM   #31
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If I'm going to spend $400+ on the SPOD my main objective is to avoid splicing into the factory wiring.
Agree, that's the point of the sPOD, avoid touching anything in the CANBUS


sPOD actually have an unannounced option about ready for double switches and I can get them now if anyone wants them.

sPOD will have a new bezel wiring pigtail which accommodates the double lit Contura switches. The first available "premium" switches will be top light red and bottom light amber. Upgrade cost for this add on is about $65 on top of system cost. Eventually other color switches will be available. In order to keep the integrity of the Jeeps Canbus system sPOD still only gains power from the battery and therefore have added a small push button which is turned on to turn the bottom lights on. When the Contura switch actuator is flipped the second light comes on.


My thoughts looking at pictures of double switches. Too much light and it looks like it reflects onto the mirror and would bug me.

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Agree, that's the point of the sPOD, avoid touching anything in the CANBUS


sPOD actually have an unannounced option about ready for double switches and I can get them now if anyone wants them.

sPOD will have a new bezel wiring pigtail which accommodates the double lit Contura switches. The first available "premium" switches will be top light red and bottom light amber. Upgrade cost for this add on is about $65 on top of system cost. Eventually other color switches will be available. In order to keep the integrity of the Jeeps Canbus system sPOD still only gains power from the battery and therefore have added a small push button which is turned on to turn the bottom lights on. When the Contura switch actuator is flipped the second light comes on.


My thoughts looking at pictures of double switches. Too much light and it looks like it reflects onto the mirror and would bug me.
So they are essentially on a constant power, ie from the seperate button, as opposed to being switched, ie coming on automatically when the Jeep is turned on? I'd probably forget to hit the switch to turn them off and wouldn't want to keep turning them on and off all the time.

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So they are essentially on a constant power, ie from the seperate button, as opposed to being switched, ie coming on automatically when the Jeep is turned on? I'd probably forget to hit the switch to turn them off and wouldn't want to keep turning them on and off all the time.

Actually that would make life alot simpler, even though you would again be defeating one of the main benefits of the sPod, keeping your accessories separate from the Jeeps original wireing/CANBUS. All you'd need to do is eliminate the switch and tap into a wire that turns on with the lights. You could also plug into an the fuse box, so the sPod lights up when the Jeep is on.
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I like the idea if it lighting up when the JEEP is turned on, just rather it be automtically, not a seperate switch, and rather not have to tap into the factory wiring, as stated, defeats the purpose.
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I like the idea if it lighting up when the JEEP is turned on, just rather it be automtically, not a seperate switch, and rather not have to tap into the factory wiring, as stated, defeats the purpose.
Are you talking about the second row of the double lit Contura switches?

The regular switch lights and top row of the doubles are always live, i.e. the sPOD is connected directly to the battery and has no other interface to the CANBUS. The switch would be for the second row of lights on the double switches. I don't see how controlling that second row via ignition helps, the idea is to give you control over that second row of lights.

I don't see sPOD ever tapping into anything other than the single direct battery connection. It's against the whole concept of an sPOD which is to separate all of your Aux wiring away from the CANBUS. Actually Jeep themselves recommend sPOD for aux wiring because of this.
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Are you talking about the second row of the double lit Contura switches?

The regular switch lights and top row of the doubles are always live, i.e. the sPOD is connected directly to the battery and has no other interface to the CANBUS. The switch would be for the second row of lights on the double switches. I don't see how controlling that second row via ignition helps, the idea is to give you control over that second row of lights.

I don't see sPOD ever tapping into anything other than the single direct battery connection. It's against the whole concept of an sPOD which is to separate all of your Aux wiring away from the CANBUS. Actually Jeep themselves recommend sPOD for aux wiring because of this.
I guess I misunderstood something. The switches are only lit when the switch is actually ON, correct? I kinda do like the idea of them being lit on a regular basis, just would want them, in that instance, to automatically light up when the Jeep is switched on. I guess I read a previous post as there is a seperate button to turn the lights of the switches on/off seperately.
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I guess I misunderstood something. The switches are only lit when the switch is actually ON, correct?
Yes
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So then, whats the point of the double lit Contura switch?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just went back and looked at a pic on the first page showing the icon lit up and the description lit up as well. I do like that look.
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Maybe a solution for SPOD to consider is an "Auto Light Sensor" this will trigger the full illumination to the switches, regardless if they are on or not, and at the same time provide illumination to the second row for the icons while still being separated from the can-bus AND avoids the need for a manual switch to be activated. It can be easily integrated into the switch housing and exposed on the back or bottom of the housing.



*For the record if this idea is implemented in the new design I only request a free SPOD unit, that is all.
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So then, whats the point of the double lit Contura switch?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just went back and looked at a pic on the first page showing the icon lit up and the description lit up as well. I do like that look.
I think (not 100% sure) that the top row is always lit too.
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Maybe a solution for SPOD to consider is an "Auto Light Sensor" this will trigger the full illumination to the switches, regardless if they are on or not, and at the same time provide illumination to the second row for the icons while still being separated from the can-bus AND avoids the need for a manual switch to be activated. It can be easily integrated into the switch housing and exposed on the back or bottom of the housing.
I pass all these ideas on to John and Cinde at sPOD and that's a pretty good idea. I also suggested that instead of a switch for the second row they make it a dimmer control.
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I'm ready to pull the trigger on an SPOD, andI'd love to get one with the dual lights in it, but I don't want Red/Amber. I want Green/Amber. Argh!

I went back and re-read EAD's post at the top of this page. If I understand correctly, the new SPOD setup functions as follows:

- Top light is always illuminated.
- Bottom lights illuminate when the switch is moved to the "on" position
- Bottom lights can be turned on/off by an extra switch on the SPOD

Is that correct?
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I'm ready to pull the trigger on an SPOD, and I'd love to get one with the dual lights in it, but I don't want Red/Amber. I want Green/Amber. Argh!

I went back and re-read EAD's post at the top of this page. If I understand correctly, the new SPOD setup functions as follows:

- Top light is always illuminated.
- Bottom lights illuminate when the switch is moved to the "on" position
- Bottom lights can be turned on/off by an extra switch on the SPOD

Is that correct?
I was close. I just got off the phone with sPOD. The new optional wiring and double switch availability right now is:
  • Bottom lights are always illuminated but can be turned off with the switch on the side.
  • Top lights are triggered by the switch (on/off)
  • This option costs $65 on top of the regular sPOD cost and includes 6 Red/Amber double switches and the new wiring.
  • sPOD do not have any other colors in-stock available at this time. Maybe after SEMA when this becomes something they officially release they will add a couple more color options.
  • sPOD will work with customers who want custom switches only if the customer orders them from somewhere like OTRATTW and ships them to sPOD. Because this is new they want 100% control over the QC process. I don't have a price for this guessing about $45 just because it's non standard.
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I was close. I just got off the phone with sPOD. The new optional wiring and double switch availability right now is:
  • Bottom lights are always illuminated but can be turned off with the switch on the side.
  • Top lights are triggered by the switch (on/off)
I'm not sure that's correct. Your saying that the bottom is ALWAYS illuminated and can be turned off with the switch? What happens if I don't switch them off? Since its connected directly to the battery nothing can turn them off when I turn the Jeep off.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the moment the SPOD lights are all off until you flip the switch on a particular item (ie. Fog lights). Then the light for that circuit comes on and will stay on and "live" despite if your turn the Jeep off or not. It will only go dead if you flip the switch down (off).

With that said what I think you meant to say was that the Bottom lights turn ON when you flip the switch up and activate that particular circuit (ie. Fog lights). The NEW upper light which would highlight the illuminated icon is completely independent and they are ALL controlled through a toggle switch on the side of the SPOD control box.

I still think that the Auto light sensor is their best solution to the problem. No one is going to switch on a separate switch just to activate the illumination of icons and then flip another switch to activate that circuit (Fog Lights) THEN remember to turn off all the switches when they turn off the Jeep. An Auto sensor will take all of the illumination control out of the equation. They can still charge $65 for the option and people will be more inclined to opt for it since it would be all automatic and seamless.
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I'm not sure that's correct. Your saying that the bottom is ALWAYS illuminated and can be turned off with the switch? What happens if I don't switch them off? Since its connected directly to the battery nothing can turn them off when I turn the Jeep off.
I'm right. The bottom lights are on all the time unless you use the small switch on the left to turn them off. What happens if you leave anything on when it's not keyed to the ignition? Yep, battery goes dead!

But... All the new Gen sPODs have an Integrated LVCO (Low-Voltage-Cut-Off) circuit. This detects the battery voltage and will cut-off at 10.6VDC so there is enough juice to start your vehicle in case you left something on!!!

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the moment the SPOD lights are all off until you flip the switch on a particular item (ie. Fog lights). Then the light for that circuit comes on and will stay on and "live" despite if your turn the Jeep off or not. It will only go dead if you flip the switch down (off).
You are right. See above LVCO.

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With that said what I think you meant to say was that the Bottom lights turn ON when you flip the switch up and activate that particular circuit (ie. Fog lights). The NEW upper light which would highlight the illuminated icon is completely independent and they are ALL controlled through a toggle switch on the side of the SPOD control box.
No, see above.

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I still think that the Auto light sensor is their best solution to the problem. No one is going to switch on a separate switch just to activate the illumination of icons and then flip another switch to activate that circuit (Fog Lights) THEN remember to turn off all the switches when they turn off the Jeep. An Auto sensor will take all of the illumination control out of the equation. They can still charge $65 for the option and people will be more inclined to opt for it since it would be all automatic and seamless.
Initially thought it was a good idea. But if you think about it, it's the same issue, you still need to make it manually switchable or they are going to come on every night. I know it sounds better to tap into the Jeep wiring to trigger these things but sPODs are designed to specifically isolate all your aux wiring from the canbus.

There is nothing stopping a customer from modifying their product other than potential warranty issues. I've certainly modified perfectly good aftermarket parts on my JK, sometimes to the point where they no longer work
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I'm right. The bottom lights are on all the time unless you use the small switch on the left to turn them off. What happens if you leave anything on when it's not keyed to the ignition? Yep, battery goes dead!
So the lights stay on all the time regardless if you flip the switch to activate that circuit? The only way to turn those lights off is by flipping ANOTHER small toggle switch?
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So the lights stay on all the time regardless if you flip the switch to activate that circuit? The only way to turn those lights off is by flipping ANOTHER small toggle switch?
Yes, the bottom LEDs on all 6 switches are controlled by a small button on bezel, all on or all off. The top LEDs on all 6 switches illuminate on/off independently when you switch them on/off.
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Seems silly that the bottom bar lights would be illuminated. I'd rather see the top lights lit up, especially if replaced with the worded switches from OTRATTW. Just seems backwards.

Looks like I'll just order the original unit and go from there.
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Yes, the bottom LEDs on all 6 switches are controlled by a small button on bezel, all on or all off. The top LEDs on all 6 switches illuminate on/off independently when you switch them on/off.
Got it now, thanks.

Now that I think about it some more, the auto switch won't work either because there won't be a trigger to turn it off at night. The sensor will be open all night allowing power to the bottom row until the morning. The manual switch might be the only solution, it sucks but the entire system needs to be independent from the Can-Bus so there is no way of tying into the ignition or light switch.
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The manual switch might be the only solution, it sucks but the entire system needs to be independent from the Can-Bus so there is no way of tying into the ignition or light switch.
Exactly the reason Jeep recommends this system. Personally I'd go with the standard switches, keep it simple.
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See, the premise works like this in my head:

- Switches have two rows of lights
- Top row of lights are always illuminated so you can see them (but only when the ignition is turned on)
- Bottom row of lights only illuminate when you flip the switch "on" so that you know it's activated whatever is connected to it

Is there any simple way to make this happen?
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See, the premise works like this in my head:

- Switches have two rows of lights
- Top row of lights are always illuminated so you can see them (but only when the ignition is turned on)
- Bottom row of lights only illuminate when you flip the switch "on" so that you know it's activated whatever is connected to it

Is there any simple way to make this happen?
Not without tapping into the Jeep's factory wiring. If your willing to do that, then you should just throw out the idea of the SPOD altogether because your defeating its sole purpose which is NOT to touch the factory wiring and keep it all separate.
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Not without tapping into the Jeep's factory wiring. If your willing to do that, then you should just throw out the idea of the SPOD altogether because your defeating its sole purpose which is NOT to touch the factory wiring and keep it all separate.
If you are simply tapping into a dash light for the dimmer function on the LED, I don't see how this defeats the premise of the sPod which is designed to keep accessories (ie lights, onboard air, etc.) off the CANBUS. Tapping to light an LED is harmless unless you short your cables. I'd rather run the second LED off the dimmer than have a manual switch to turn it on.
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I have the SPod and switched out the switches with Otrattw switches with dimmer control. Taped into the. Dash wire behind the instrument panel. Took a whole 30 min to do the tap and run ONE wire. Does not defeat the purpose of the SPod in any way!! I think they look awesome
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Wow, ok. How do you get the code from EAD?

I want to pull the trigger the SPOD and the VIAIR for the 2012 JK with the following Otrattw switches.

1. On Board Air
2. Fridge
3. Off Road Lights
4. Rock Lights
5. Back Up Lights
6. Zombie Response Lights

Question, is the Air Gauge worth it if your OBA is just for Airing up and down? Will it always be showing like 100 psi until in use?

Would the best color for stock be?

Amber on top, switch is on.
Green, bottum for the text off position.

If your wired to the dash dimmer wire does the light intensity go up and down with everything else?

One of my first MOD's and I think it will be one of the best, next one will be the fridge.
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I have the SPod and switched out the switches with Otrattw switches with dimmer control. Taped into the. Dash wire behind the instrument panel. Took a whole 30 min to do the tap and run ONE wire. Does not defeat the purpose of the SPod in any way!! I think they look awesome
I'm going the route of Darkfire and I want to clarify before I order the sPod. I want to achieve exactly what you've done with yours and have the bottom row of words always on when the headlights kick on and the top row gets activated when you flip a switch to the "ON" position.

Do I order the regular sPod from any vendor and then merely order OTRATTW rockers (with switch bodies?)? When ordering the switches which configuration do I order? Independent/dependent? Dependent/independent? Both Independent? What does this annotation mean for the switches?

Thanks for the help.

Edit: One more question for you Darkfire...

In your configuration the bottom row stays lit all the time and the top row turns green when a switch is "ON", correct? If so, can you give me a part number of the OTRATTW switch you're using.
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I'm going the route of Darkfire and I want to clarify before I order the sPod. I want to achieve exactly what you've done with yours and have the bottom row of words always on when the headlights kick on and the top row gets activated when you flip a switch to the "ON" position.

Do I order the regular sPod from any vendor and then merely order OTRATTW rockers (with switch bodies?)? When ordering the switches which configuration do I order? Independent/dependent? Dependent/independent? Both Independent? What does this annotation mean for the switches?

Thanks for the help.

Edit: One more question for you Darkfire...

In your configuration the bottom row stays lit all the time and the top row turns green when a switch is "ON", correct? If so, can you give me a part number of the OTRATTW switch you're using.
I am interested in doing the same thing. I like the idea of having them lit up on a regular basis to see, easily, which is which.
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I am interested in doing the same thing. I like the idea of having them lit up on a regular basis to see, easily, which is which.
I think I may have to consult Darkfire via PM to get a firm answer. I'll let you know what he says.

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