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Old 01-27-2013, 07:00 PM   #1
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Sport or Rubicon (4door models)

Pricing out a Dozer colored Rubicon (2013) but concerned about the suspension.

Does it make sense to get a sport and go with an after market suspension or is there enough goodies on the Rubicon to warrant buying it and replacing or going Mopar on the suspension?

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Large tires though not so large it will hobble the engine when pulling a boat at Max tow weight.
Plush ride - Test drove the Rubicon at the dealer today and yup, rides like a jeep. Had several Jeeps over the years from CJ5 to Grand Cherokees. Last Vehicle I bought was a Z71 Suburban 4X4. I believe it has Bilstien shocks and though a family rig sure drives nice. After 11 years it's time to get a new vehicle and the Wrangler Unlimited just look too nice not to get. While the Suburban is not an off road vehicle the new Jeep would be taken off road to enjoy some trails with the family. So is there any shocks that will give a nice ride yet still do a decent job while off road?
Expecting a 3-3.5" lift will make the rig look it's best and a 33"? Mud Terrain tire.
Hard Top, liking the 3pc current versions offered and will not the Dual Top option.

That said, is there really anything special about the Rubicon that a nice aftermarket suspension would not equal from a Sport model?

Thanks for any opinions in advance!

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Excellent, search is our friend! Welcome to the forum. I have a Rubicon, and went that route because I didn't want to do too much just after purchase. I have lockers, sway d/c, 4.10 gears, and nice tires. If you plan on adding any of that, or modding quickly, it's best to buy a sport and build what you want. Take the $10K that you would have spent extra on the Rubicon and get some good stuff for the sport.

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That said, is there really anything special about the Rubicon that a nice aftermarket suspension would not equal from a Sport model?
You've got this all sorts of messed up.

The only difference between a sport and rubicon suspension are the shocks. A nice improvement, but not really a big deal.

But . . . other goodies that come with the rubi that are not available on the sport: Front and rear electronic lockers, 4:1 transfer case, electronic sway bar disconnects, D44 front axle, and available 4.10 axle ratio.

Those would cost several thousands of dollars to add aftermarket.

Also, don't go any higher than 2.5" if you're not going any bigger than 33" tires. That'll even fit 35s.

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Lots and lots. And lots. Check them out too.
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You've got this all sorts of messed up.

The only difference between a sport and rubicon suspension are the shocks. A nice improvement, but not really a big deal.

But . . . other goodies that come with the rubi that are not available on the sport: Front and rear electronic lockers, 4:1 transfer case, electronic sway bar disconnects, D44 front axle, and available 4.10 axle ratio.

Those would cost several thousands of dollars to add aftermarket.

Also, don't go any higher than 2.5" if you're not going any bigger than 33" tires. That'll even fit 35s.
Those extra Rubicon goodies seem like a nice thing to have if you ever get into some rough stuff so the Rubicon is looking more like my logical choice.

I need research more on the tire dia's/ The dealer noted there is a Mopar 2.5 lift they could install but many are saying great things about the Terreflex (sp?) so again, more research...
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Teraflex makes the Mopar lifts as far as I know
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There's no real reason to get a mopar lift. Just more money for the mid-level components.
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I had a '06 Rubicon and decided to get a '13 JKU Sport with 3.73's instead of Rubicon. I wanted a scaled down model so I could build how I see fit for me. The price difference was about $10-12K. So far I have spent $5K with AEV lift, 35's, front/rear bumpers and tire carrier. All things that would be necessary for me on a Rubicon. So far haven't spent anything to get me closer to what the Rubicon has. I even went with no PW/PL and I'm extremely happy with my decision.
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I had a '06 Rubicon and decided to get a '13 JKU Sport with 3.73's instead of Rubicon. I wanted a scaled down model so I could build how I see fit for me. The price difference was about $10-12K. So far I have spent $5K with AEV lift, 35's, front/rear bumpers and tire carrier. All things that would be necessary for me on a Rubicon. So far haven't spent anything to get me closer to what the Rubicon has. I even went with no PW/PL and I'm extremely happy with my decision.

good for you asking this before instead of after( like me ) . I scratched my head on why my JKU Sport was 10-12k less than the rubicon next to it.. Afraid I made a bad decision I did a little research, (including the good the people on this board) & re-affirmed that I made the right move for me (especially living in the Suburbs)

I've taken the family out 2x's since purchasing my JKU Sport (fr Huffines/Plano) & nothing too radical(still have stock wheels & tires(my next purchase)..

I plan on making mods as I decide I need them- not before. Kinda gets work off my mind to browse the local 4wd catalogue & plan my next purchase . I never thought I'd make another add on to my jeep & didnt know what the Hell a "MOD" really was -- now Im kinda hooked
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if you get no options on the JKU sport you will save alot, but if you have to have pwr windows/locks, upgraded stereo, blue tooth, climate control, then you are getting into Rubicon territory as the Rubi has most of this standard, plus you can get $1200-$1500 on craigslist for your take-off rims and tires if you want to upgrade to new rims with 35's. My last wrangler was a sport, and my latest is a Rubicon--it is nice to have all these features!!!
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if you get no options on the JKU sport you will save alot, but if you have to have pwr windows/locks, upgraded stereo, blue tooth, climate control, then you are getting into Rubicon territory as the Rubi has most of this standard, plus you can get $1200-$1500 on craigslist for your take-off rims and tires if you want to upgrade to new rims with 35's. My last wrangler was a sport, and my latest is a Rubicon--it is nice to have all these features!!!
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Myself, I have too many other hobbies to start building Jeeps so I want to get the solid vehicle that if asked to climb some serious hills will do it without complaint.

Towing may be an issue but I talked to a fellow that had a two wheel drive 4 door Wrangler (not sure which one) pulling a larger boat than mine and had no complaints. The max towing weight is 3500 and I figure mine will have to tow 4500 but not over any mountain ranges and only a couple times a year to San Diego when the tuna are in range so ...

Looking forward to getting back into 4bying and taking the family up Lockwood Creek and some other old stomping grounds...
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Those extra Rubicon goodies seem like a nice thing to have if you ever get into some rough stuff so the Rubicon is looking more like my logical choice.

I need research more on the tire dia's/ The dealer noted there is a Mopar 2.5 lift they could install but many are saying great things about the Terreflex (sp?) so again, more research...
If you can install yourself you will save some money for other mods. Dealers want a too much to install. You will also be more familiar with your Jeep.

There are different spring rates as well. Higher the spring rate for say tow package and hardtop.

A 2.5" Coil Teraflex nets you around 3.1" in the front. Also depends on the add on goodies.
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No one else has said this, but I don't think you can order Dozer as a color choice any more. If there's one you want out in the wild, the dealer may be able to get it, but if I recall correctly, that color has been discontinued. (It was my first choice.)
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Like others have stated, the big differences in the 2 models isn't really the suspension. If you are talking about upgrading the suspension, lets throw that out of the equation. What you need to ask is, will you be needing lockers and a 4:1 transfercase where you will be off roading? Be honest with yourself and buy whatever you need.

Also check out a stock JK 4 wheeling on youtube...
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"Be honest" Resounding advice...

Now the thought is yes, I'd love the 4:11 tc etc for that "time" I take the family out and show them what Dad used to do ack before he started fishing and riding street bikes but how many times? Probably not that many. So now the Sport with 3:73 and the Anti-spin rear axel option might still allow some decent 4X4ing and even make a couple of those old tough trails from the old days? My old CJ5 only had a LSD and seemed to get the job done....

Really appreciate all the input folks as it helps greatly in the decision making process...
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if you have to ask the question if you need a rubicon then the odds are you dont.
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... but I talked to a fellow that had a two wheel drive 4 door Wrangler ...
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if you have to ask the question if you need a rubicon then the odds are you dont.
Don't agree. We don't know what we don't know, so always good to ask.

I think the bottom line here is you are better off to have something you might need than to need it and not have it. Obviously price is part of the equation, but I have seen far too many people on this site who didn't get the Rubicon and then regretted it later.

I think a larger question is why do you want a Wrangler to begin with? Other Jeep models are Trail Rated and would be more comfortable and roomy for what you seem to indicate you want to do.

I got the Rubicon because I intend to do some back country photography and don't want to be limited. The lockers have already proved their worth in deep snow. I also want to explore the Moab area and other similar places, but not do serious rock crawling.

So it really comes down to what you plan to do and what you might possibly do. As noted, a regular Jeep might even fill the bill.
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chains and a spool for the front are a lot cheaper than the rubi package.
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Like others have stated, the big differences in the 2 models isn't really the suspension. If you are talking about upgrading the suspension, lets throw that out of the equation. What you need to ask is, will you be needing lockers and a 4:1 transfercase where you will be off roading? Be honest with yourself and buy whatever you need.

Also check out a stock JK 4 wheeling on youtube...
The stock LSD sucks and makes for more expensive maintenance. Dont get thatif you go with sport. The rubicon doesnt have it....
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If you want a "plush ride", the JK-anything isn't going to make you happy. It is a magnitude of order better than a CJ, but it isn't a luxury ride.
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The stock LSD sucks and makes for more expensive maintenance. Dont get thatif you go with sport. The rubicon doesnt have it....
More expensive maintainance? The only difference is adding a friction modifier which synthetics already have. It's a moot point for most. The stock LSD works great IMO.
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No one else has said this, but I don't think you can order Dozer as a color choice any more. If there's one you want out in the wild, the dealer may be able to get it, but if I recall correctly, that color has been discontinued. (It was my first choice.)
I meant to point that out awhile ago....U R correct...Dozer is done...so the OP will have to find one on the lot, our build one in a different color.
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I thought the same thing when I wrote it , but the guy complained about pulling out his boat at low tide as the green slime is more prevalent and he said he did not have 4wheel drive... I was more focused on the size of the boat he was towing as it opened up the case that I might do the same... So they don't have any 2 wheel drive 4 door Wranglers?
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I think a larger question is why do you want a Wrangler to begin with? Other Jeep models are Trail Rated and would be more comfortable and roomy for what you seem to indicate you want to do.
Live in So Cal so want a top that comes off.
Ride dirt bikes so often in the desert as well as snow in the winter.
Won't mind getting back into 4X'ing as a family activity.
Need to tow a boat but only a couple times a year and on flat ground.
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I thought the same thing when I wrote it , but the guy complained about pulling out his boat at low tide as the green slime is more prevalent and he said he did not have 4wheel drive... I was more focused on the size of the boat he was towing as it opened up the case that I might do the same... So they don't have any 2 wheel drive 4 door Wranglers?
Early JK's were offered with 2WD only. So he probably does have a 2WD 4 door Wrangler.
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I thought the same thing when I wrote it , but the guy complained about pulling out his boat at low tide as the green slime is more prevalent and he said he did not have 4wheel drive... I was more focused on the size of the boat he was towing as it opened up the case that I might do the same... So they don't have any 2 wheel drive 4 door Wranglers?
not new. there were some.
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More expensive maintainance? The only difference is adding a friction modifier which synthetics already have. It's a moot point for most. The stock LSD works great IMO.
Until the clutches wear out...
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rubicon has better resale value, although wranglers in general have high resale value
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rubicon has better resale value, although wranglers in general have high resale value
The opposite is true, Rubis have less resale value.

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