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Old 01-02-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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Sport to a Rubicon at the Dealer??

Hello All-

I'm in the market for a 2011 JK or JKU (haven't decided) and I'm having some issues with sorting out the details. I hoped some of you might help me understand.
I've nearly bought a Jeep 4 times in my adult life, and its been my dream car since High School. I've just taken the more "practical" route over and over again, and always regretted it. This time I'm not going to back down. I'm interested in a fully loaded 11 Rubicon, but there are very few in my area ( Hampton Roads, VA) and what they do have are base Rubicons.
I fully admit that I will never be doing any hard core off road action in whatever I buy, just the occasional mudding, so I imagine the Rubi is a tad overkill. The Sport models however seem very small, and I'm not a fan of the look at ALL. So I guess ideally, I would want a Sport that looked like a Rubicon but I donít have the finances to upgrade it afterward (I just bought a house).
Heres my question:
1- Do I have any options at the dealer to upgrade the suspension and tires? For example, picking a Sport and having a Rubi like suspension put on? Would this be a better option than springing for the full Rubicon? Also, if I end up going with a Sport, can I upgrade the Audio to the Nav system?

Thank you all for taking the time to read this! I look fwd to any advice!

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Old 01-02-2011, 04:19 PM   #2
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First, I've got a wife and two kids under 3. You know what? My unlimited is perfectly practical. So you're going to be good to go.

Second, folks can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the Rubi and the Sport have the same suspension. What's causing the different "look" is merely the wheels and tires. You can certainly upgrade those at the dealer.

Third, of course you can upgrade with the audio and nav at the dealer. I expect you'll also want the "Sport S" package (at least that's what it was called in 2010), which adds power windows/locks.

Fourth, the principal upgrades offered by the Rubi are (1) electronic locking differentials, (2) electronic sway bar disconnects, and (3) a higher rear axle ratio to increase torque. You probably don't need these features. Indeed, if you go with the Sport you can't add either of the first two. You can add a "trailer tow package" to the Sport to get a larger rear axle ratio though.

In other words, while you can't go wrong with a loaded Rubi, but it sounds like you just need a Sport with the right suite of options.

Fifth and finally, don't discount "upgrading afterward." Wranglers have huge aftermarket mod availability. A lot of things can be done afterwards for cheaper than they'd be done at the dealer.

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I would opt for the Rubi. It is the best out of the box offroader there is. If you dont want to do many fairly expensive mods, go with the Rubi
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If your going to be mudding then I'd go for the rubi!! You want those lockers man! They will get you out of almost any situation!! And just owning a rubicon is a whole different feel!! I wouldn't pass it up!!
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1. He said he will not be doing serious offroading.
2. I know Rubi owners are passionate and love their rides but listen to what he wants.
3. You can put BFG Mud Terrain tires on a Sport or any other tire set that you want and it will change it's appearance and usability.

Like some others have said, you can also get the Sport "S" package if you want the power accessories. It comes with the upgraded tires, power windows and locks, 3.73 gear ratio ($50 option at purchase), AC, and tow package if needed. If your not going to do major offloading, consider why you need a better suspension or one similar to the Rubi.

The Sport is very capable off road too, give it some thought.
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1. He said he will not be doing serious offroading.
2. I know Rubi owners are passionate and love their rides but listen to what he wants.
3. You can put BFG Mud Terrain tires on a Sport or any other tire set that you want and it will change it's appearance and usability.

Like some others have said, you can get the Sport "S" package witch comes with the upgraded tires, power windows and locks, 3.73 gear ratio ($50 option at purchase) and tow package if needed.
Yeah but if he is going into mud the lockers will help a lot!
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If this had been a year earlier, he could have gone with an Islander or Mountian editions (Sport-base models with Rubi wheels and shocks).

The other poster who said the Rubi was a Sport with beefed up wheels and shocks is DEAD WRONG.

he Rubi has the wheels and shocks BUT also has a heavier front axle (Dana 44's BOTH front and rear while sport is just 44 on the rear), Rock Track dif with 4.10 gearing, and selectable front and rear lockers.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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1. He said he will not be doing serious offroading.
2. I know Rubi owners are passionate and love their rides but listen to what he wants.
3. You can put BFG Mud Terrain tires on a Sport or any other tire set that you want and it will change it's appearance and usability.

Like some others have said, you can get the Sport "S" package witch comes with the upgraded tires, power windows and locks, 3.73 gear ratio ($50 option at purchase) and tow package if needed. If your not going to do major offloading, consider why you need a better suspension or one similar to the Rubi.

The Sport is extremely capable off road too, give it some thought.
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Old 01-02-2011, 05:03 PM   #8
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In mud you really only need to have some experience driving in it and good tires. Your ability to keep moving while using common sense and the correct 4wd choice cannot be underestimated. Lockers are really for crawling and getting grip over dry surfaces.
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He said "look" in quotations Sunshine. He is correct.

The OP was saying that he liked the look of the Rubi compared to the Sport's smaller tires, wheels, and options. He also said that he is not going to do serious off roading which completely neglects the need or use of what the Rubi offers over the sport.
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In mud you really only need to have some experience driving in it and good tires. Your ability to keep moving while using common sense and the correct 4wd choice cannot be underestimated. Lockers are really for crawling and getting grip over dry surfaces.
That's not true. When go through think nasty mud you want to be locked up it helps 10x more! And it says to not use them on dry surfaces
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That's not true. When go through think nasty mud you want to be locked up it helps 10x more! And it says to not use them on dry surfaces
What says not to use lockers on a dry surface? I think you might be confusing 4wd and binding with what lockers are used for. Here is what they are meant for.
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JamesB: I've just spent most of the past year mulling over the very same questions.

Here's my perspective, bear me out and don't leap to any conclusions till after looking at all the models you're interested in:

1) First obvious choice is "2 door" or "4 door";

2) Next choice is "maximum tricked out suspension/axles/etc" or not;

3) Manual or auto;
4) other option packages.
5) used a few miles or new;

All the dealers had 30000 miles 2-3 year old models that with the CostCo or Tread Lightly discount, was usually more than a new Sport S.

If it's just tires/rims that make the package you like, dealer cost is going to be more from what I could find, than your neighborhood tire shop....but I live in a rural area which usually gives a better break on such items.

Consider the Rubi is maximal stock off-road set up; costs about $7k give or take, to get those enhancements.

Sahara is less suspension-more cosmetics with huge list of options standard but costs several $k less than Rubi;

Sport-S options whatever you want, less $ than Sahara.

Do you off road high capability high cost;
do you want 'plenty good off road' without the max but looks great;
do you want econo model with added goodies.

My own choice finally was made for me when a low mile 08 Sahara materialized for a GREAT price from a private party.

It's got 18" wheels, anti-spin differential, 24S power group, both tops, in fact nearly 3 full pages on the build sheet of options....along with heavy duty suspension and gas shocks. I'm ultra pleased so far, but have had the rig only 3 days.

In fact, I'm ecstatic about my find. I scouted the dealers and various elists from Montana to Tiajuana and Washington to Utah for nearly a year. I hounded the dealers looking for the last nickel best buy and drove by all the lots. I annoyed my friends and alienated most salesmen be remaining firm in what I was looking for and what I was going to pay.

so.....clear your mind.

A Jeeper mentor friend told me the Rubi was an expensive and extravagant waste of the resource unless I was going to do a LOT of off roading. Heavier and less fuel efficient, in his long affliction.

Good luck, don't give up yet.
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I'd go for a 2010 Mountain, I have the JKU mountain love it...just my 2cent
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Why don't you go on-line into the Mopar web site and "build" a Sport the way you would want it and then compare the options etc. to what you would get for the price compared to a Rubi or you might consider a Sahara. I ordered a 10 Rubi and max'd it but it might not be right for you. If you think you don't want to go aftermarket after you buy, then get exactly what you want out of the box. You might want to consider ordering what you want or check around for what's currently available in your area. The dealer you choose can trade with other dealers also. Only you know what you might want. Do some research and go for it. I have to tell you that Rubi's are a great JK.
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In mud you really only need to have some experience driving in it and good tires. Your ability to keep moving while using common sense and the correct 4wd choice cannot be underestimated. Lockers are really for crawling and getting grip over dry surfaces.
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I wouldn't go for the Rubi if you don't plan on much off roading. The wrangler is perfectly capable stock and lockers might just get you that much deeper into getting stuck.

If you don't care for the look as much with a sport, have the dealer throw a small lift and some BFG M/TS on and you'll still be way below the price of a Rubicon.

As always, just my .02
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If you are talking about the jeep dealer on Military in Chesapeake, they will do factory lifts, and deal with a local dealer for wheels. I went there a few times before I moved to SC and bought here. They are a good dealer and would have bought there if the money was there when I lived there
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That's not true. When go through think nasty mud you want to be locked up it helps 10x more! And it says to not use them on dry surfaces
The Rubicons lockers only engage in 4L. That won't help you much in mud where you need wheel spin and momentum.

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