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Old 11-16-2010, 12:52 AM   #1
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So I have a 2010 sport Wrangler and I have been noticing a lot of people really raving about the rubicon and how much better it is... kinda makes me feel like I am not gonna have the same experience off roading in the sport compared to the rubicon... So I have to ask what is everyones opinion on this? Can the sport be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon? Is the rubicon really that much better? Any information or opinions is greatly appreciated.

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Lockers and Dana44 axles equipped from factory is what really makes the Rubicon stand out, and the nice hood sticker too! Now with that said, whats the first rule in owning a jeep? Make that bad boy represent you! Lift it, swap bumpers, doors... and of course axles! I own a '04 TJ that I'm going to be fitting some nice new Dana 44's onto with my choice of locker ta-boot. So, to answer your question... "Can it be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon?" Hell yes it can! Even make it better, which is the whole point of personal customization to begin with! Take stock.. and improve. I've even seen a few CJ's and YJ's with the Rubicon sticker on them...

Well, my .02 anyway.

Ok, edit time. In my excitement of the Dana 44 rant I got carried away. Thats just my next project. I've seen many Sports get their stock axles loaded with lockers and keep up with the Rubicons. Its just the D44 is a legend of durability.

In all fairness the 2010 Rubicon does have these features: Front and rear generation II Dana 44 axles, front and rear electronic lockers, rock rails, Electronic sway bar disconnect, 32 spline rear axle with an 8.8 inch ring gear, 4:1 Rock-Trac transfer case, 4.10 axle gearing,"Yes Essentials" seats (2008), 7 speaker infinity sound system.

But the biggest question is, what kind of wheeling do you honestly do??

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Lockers and Dana44 axles equipped from factory is what really makes the Rubicon stand out, and the nice hood sticker too! Now with that said, whats the first rule in owning a jeep? Make that bad boy represent you! Lift it, swap bumpers, doors... and of course axles! I own a '04 TJ that I'm going to be fitting some nice new Dana 44's onto with my choice of locker ta-boot. So, to answer your question... "Can it be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon?" Hell yes it can! Even make it better, which is the whole point of personal customization to begin with! Take stock.. and improve. I've even seen a few CJ's and YJ's with the Rubicon sticker on them...

Well, my .02 anyway.

Ok, edit time. In my excitement of the Dana 44 rant I got carried away. Thats just my next project. I've seen many Sports get their stock axles loaded with lockers and keep up with the Rubicons. Its just the D44 is a legend of durability.

In all fairness the 2010 Rubicon does have these features: Front and rear generation II Dana 44 axles, front and rear electronic lockers, rock rails, Electronic sway bar disconnect, 32 spline rear axle with an 8.8 inch ring gear, 4:1 Rock-Trac transfer case, 4.10 axle gearing,"Yes Essentials" seats (2008), 7 speaker infinity sound system.

But the biggest question is, what kind of wheeling do you honestly do??
Wow that sounds pretty nice man. So I can work on vehicles pretty well but I am not up to par with the technical speak, numbers, and what not... I know what gear ratios are and what an axle is but i don't know much about the other details you spoke of. So what happens if a factory stock tries to keep up with a rubicon? less climbing ability? easier to get stuck in mud? Just where do you see the lack of performance with the sport model compared to the rubi?
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So I have a 2010 sport Wrangler and I have been noticing a lot of people really raving about the rubicon and how much better it is... kinda makes me feel like I am not gonna have the same experience off roading in the sport compared to the rubicon... So I have to ask what is everyones opinion on this? Can the sport be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon? Is the rubicon really that much better? Any information or opinions is greatly appreciated.
Have you taken your Jeep off road yet? Do you plan to? A sport is extremely capable stock. Many Wrangler owners never go off road. Many that do would never need the capabilities of a Rubicon. They are awesome for those that do need and use those capabilities.
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Well consider the following.. Jeeps have been going off-road since 1941 and rubicon came out in 2003. I think your will be fine in your sport model.
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I got an 08 x and mine has gone thru stuff my buddys rubicon has gotin stuck in then again his is stock and mine is done up lol
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Nothing at all wrong with your Sport. It's a very capable offroad vehicle. I've seen many stock X's take on plenty of difficult rated trails (which are actually moderate for a Jeep). Certainly you can also build it up to be more capable than a stock Rubicon, and building up your Jeep is part of the fun.
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So I have a 2010 sport Wrangler and I have been noticing a lot of people really raving about the rubicon and how much better it is... kinda makes me feel like I am not gonna have the same experience off roading in the sport compared to the rubicon... So I have to ask what is everyones opinion on this? Can the sport be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon? Is the rubicon really that much better? Any information or opinions is greatly appreciated.
Don't let others get into your head.The Wrangler sport can be just as much fun as any Rubicon.Enjoy your Jeep,What type of Jeep you drive,should not have an effect on your experience.Its about friends ,outdoors,partying,and yes the Jeep(but it doesn't have to be a Rubi).And your hearing this from a guy who owns a 08 Rubi.

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The only thing you have to keep in mind is it will take about 8-10 grand to make yours the same as a rubi and it will never have the rubi vin tag...so resale is still not gonna be there....just sayin
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You also have to remember that a good portion of your chances of getting through an obstacle on the trail is also your ability as a driver. A person who as never offroaded and has no common sense might not be able to do very much with a Rubicon while a guy with plenty of experience would drive circles around him in a sport.
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You also have to remember that a good portion of your chances of getting through an obstacle on the trail is also your ability as a driver. A person who as never offroaded and has no common sense might not be able to do very much with a Rubicon while a guy with plenty of experience would drive circles around him in a sport.
Actually... almost any jamboree type event you go on where it's "open invite", There's a 99.9% chance you will see a guy that has spent MAJOR money on "off road" mods (usually poorly spent), and EVERYONE will run circles around him. Last one I met had a warn winch/Air compressor he paid $18K on and first time he got stuck someone had to teach him how to wire it up, how to unspool it, how to operate it, and we had to loan him several shackles and a tree hugger, because all he had for harware was the hook
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I love my sport. It is all I needed. And if later I do decide that I want to go extreme offroading then I can upgrade then. But were I live it is more mud/snow and smaller rocks to climb and My sport S is just what the doctor ordered.
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Tires,tires,tires. Oh and driving ability. Honestly the one time I really needed lockers I got stuck anyhow. I have a rubicon but still found a need for a winch. The biggest problem with the sport is tires. That is an easy problem to fix. With good rubber and and good driving you should be able to keep up with the rubicon just fine for the most part. I have a TJ and a old Tacoma that are my regular wheeling buddies. They go everywhere I go except for maybe a small fraction of the obstacles we hit. Put some rubber on the old girl and wheel it.
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Of the production vehicles available in the US, a stock Sport Wrangler is (a) one of the most capable off-road and (b) one of the most readily customizable.

The same is true for a Rubicon, though it will beat the Sport in category "(a)" presuming a skilled driver is behind the wheel. This doesn't change the fact, however, that you've still got just about every other production vehicle in America beat in that same category.

I fall in line with most posters in the opinion that if you haven't yet seen the limits of your Sport or refined your off road driving technique, then why do you care? Assuming you're not a total klutz and you've got decent tires, your Sport will drive circles around just about every other vehicle available in off-road or snow conditions.

If you get really into wheeling, then you can start thinking about what (if any) extra capabilities you need and whether a Rubi or a bunch of modifications will better suit your needs.

If the existence of the Rubicon is nevertheless more than you can bear, then trade-in and buy up, or modify your Sport even beyond a stock Rubi's capabilities.
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One of my favorite things when I was running the Telluride Rotary 4X4 Tour was watching knowledgeable drivers take a rental Jeep and out drive some dude with $10 K worth of accessories!

Knowing how to drive is worth more than a hood sticker.
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With the money you would loose by trading your Sport for a Rubicon, you can build your Sport to match or exceed the Rubicon. Besides, people have been wheeling just fine for 60 years without a Rubicon model.
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Swaybar discos and good tires or should I just say traction will get you most places you need to go. Stocks JKs have good clearance and the Rubicon model does not provide anymore out of the box. The lockers are a great benefit but im sure most would agree that unless you are doing hard core wheeling which im sure 80% of people that own these jeeps dont do that they are just a added pillow to ease your mind. Being able to read terrain and drive smart will get you along ways. Still if you plan on doing heavy wheeling for what the Rubicon model costs its a good buy, other wise take the extra money and customize it to you liking. The extra 5-6000 goes along way with mods.
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Hey I appreciate the feedback and replys and i think you are all right in that I should just play it by ear and take my wrangler out and play with it for the mean while until I see what its limitations are then from there ,if I need to, I'll upgrade it... I consider myself very much a beginner and have been offroading only a couple of times with the jeep.
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I'm with you, I wanted to buy a used and any Rubi for sale was obscenely overpriced. So I decided to get an X. I don't wheel now but would like to get into it. I figure the money i saved I can get what I need as i go.

People list the things Rubi has over X/sport but the list of what's the same is much longer.
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I'm with you, I wanted to buy a used and any Rubi for sale was obscenely overpriced. So I decided to get an X. I don't wheel now but would like to get into it. I figure the money i saved I can get what I need as i go.

People list the things Rubi has over X/sport but the list of what's the same is much longer.
very nice way to look at it.
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I'm with you, I wanted to buy a used and any Rubi for sale was obscenely overpriced. So I decided to get an X. I don't wheel now but would like to get into it. I figure the money i saved I can get what I need as i go.

People list the things Rubi has over X/sport but the list of what's the same is much longer.
i was thinking the same thing.. too much for a used rubi with miles(which actually is a good thing ).. I went with a new 2011 wrangler unlimited sport.. so far I Love it..
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I'm holding out for the Rubi for one reason only...gearing.

I don't care about the disconnects or any of that other stuff, just the low end.
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I'm holding out for the Rubi for one reason only...gearing.

I don't care about the disconnects or any of that other stuff, just the low end.
Then you should buy a Sport and get it regeared. You'll save a lot of money.
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So I have a 2010 sport Wrangler and I have been noticing a lot of people really raving about the rubicon and how much better it is... kinda makes me feel like I am not gonna have the same experience off roading in the sport compared to the rubicon... So I have to ask what is everyones opinion on this? Can the sport be made to be just as awesome as the rubicon? Is the rubicon really that much better? Any information or opinions is greatly appreciated.

This is exactly what inspires SO many folks in to modding.
As you are right now, you will have a blast in your Jeep.
As you get out there and experience more, you will want to make changes to it. It's the inevitable evolution of Jeep ownership.

You already have your sport, get out there and have fun with it.
You can mod it as you go along and learn what your needs are. In our club we call it "spontanious upgrades" . Loosely translated that means, "Oh crap, I broke it, good excuse to upgrade"

The Rubi comes with some extra goodies that are definitely not cheap to change out. 4:1 transfer case, lockers and gears and dana 44s are the biggies. In the case of the JK add to the list the built in sway bar disconnect.

You can have a LOT of fun without those things, so just relax and enjoy. Even those of us with Rubis aspire to something bigger and badder.
You'll get there.
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I'm holding out for the Rubi for one reason only...gearing.

I don't care about the disconnects or any of that other stuff, just the low end.
The gears are good, but once you go to bigger tires, you'll want to swap those out too.

What you SHOULD be focusing on are lockers, axles and transfer case.

A HUGE part of the fun is in the modification of your Jeep to make it yours alone.
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Love wat I'm hearing guys can't wait to break her in
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Love wat I'm hearing guys can't wait to break her in
... on that note, we've failed to mention the MOST IMPORTANT off road accessory of all... a wheeling buddy! Don't go it alone.
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... on that note, we've failed to mention the MOST IMPORTANT off road accessory of all... a wheeling buddy! Don't go it alone.
A Buddy can save money and cost money. They can save you money by helping out, install things but can cost money trying to one up them You got 33's?....I'll get 35s!
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The gears are good, but once you go to bigger tires, you'll want to swap those out too.

What you SHOULD be focusing on are lockers, axles and transfer case.

A HUGE part of the fun is in the modification of your Jeep to make it yours alone.
I forgot to mention that stuff too. To rephrase: I'm holding out for the rubi for one reason...the drivetrain. <--there, happy now?

*IF* I change tire size, I'm not going to go bigger than 35's so I don't anticipate needing to change the gearing beyond 4.88.

Where I plan on doing most of my offroading is in northern-mid Michigan with the occaisional Jamboree at Drummond Island off the coast of da U.P. (eh). So I'm trying to balance logging road water/mud holes, sand pits, and light rocky hills. But this will also be 80% city driving. Being capable but not too carried away is the goal.

One thing on the rubi I can live without though is the sway disconnect. Don't really see an application for that where I'm at.

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