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Old 07-16-2014, 07:24 PM   #1
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Sport vs Rubicon

So as of right now I have a 2014 JK Sport with manual trans and the 3.21 gears. What I was planning on doing was lifting my JK and putting some 35's on her, re-gear to 4.88 or 4.56 (Still unsure) buy the Rubicon rock rails, buy some lockers and probably call it a day, for now. What my question is, I could trade mine in, most likely break even, and buy a Rubicon. If I got the Rubicon, I'd have the rock rails, locking front and rear differentials, 4.10 gears. I would probably stay stock on the gears if I had the Rubicon. Not 100% sure if I would keep the wheels when I lift it or sell them. Anyway, with all that in mind, would it be cheaper to build the sport or buy the Rubicon?

Other then that, I'd still get a manual trans. I also plan on rock crawling. Nothing too extreme though. Thanks for any advise you could give me.

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I had the same dilemma I had a 14 jku with 3.21's and looked into regearing and adding lockers and I was almost at the break even point compared to trading it on a new jkur. I traded it and never looked back.

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I just traded my 2013 JKU limo (auto 3.73) for pretty much this reason to go to a 2014 JKR.Your decision what you want to do tho.
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'07Sahara 6 spd w/3.21's to a '13 Rubi auto with 3.73's to a '14 auto with 4.10's. Give 'er.
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2013 Sport S to a 2014 Rubi, made sense for me.
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:56 PM   #6
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I may be a bit biased here but I say get the Rubicon!!!
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$3000 for the gears and lockers. $500 for the rock rails. It's about a $5000 option for the Rubicon. Is the front Dana 44 and better Transfer case worth $1500 to you? It's certainly cheap as a bundle.
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$3000 for the gears and lockers. $500 for the rock rails. It's about a $5000 option for the Rubicon. Is the front Dana 44 and better Transfer case worth $1500 to you? It's certainly cheap as a bundle.
add to that the sway bar disconnect and dont Rubis have additional skids as well? Also, if he keeps the rims and tires too, that's worth a bit as well. The tires may not be as big as some like, but they're a great tire none the less.
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add to that the sway bar disconnect and dont Rubis have additional skids as well? Also, if he keeps the rims and tires too, that's worth a bit as well. The tires may not be as big as some like, but they're a great tire none the less.
There is convenience with the electric sway bar discos, but manuals are only $100 or so. Still has value just not savings (like power windows/locks). Rubis have rock rails, not skids. Also, the OP stated he would be adding 35s, so there is no sizeable value in the Rubi wheels/tires, except that he may be able to trade in the tires as brand new.
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And don't forget the warranty on all the above. Also you get two of these stickers:




Give a Rubicon a loving home and make sure you give it plenty of time to play outside in the great outdoors instead of keeping it cooped up on those city streets.
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Not to mention it has a better sound system so you can hear the radio over all noise the 35"s are going to make.
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don't forget a biggie if into rock crawling and that is the 4 to 1 transfer case. manual with 4.10 gears and 4 to 1 tc =low crawl speed.
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don't forget a biggie if into rock crawling and that is the 4 to 1 transfer case. manual with 4.10 gears and 4 to 1 tc =low crawl speed.
What I was going to write. Unless you are going atlas on your sport, the rubicon tc is nice for crawling.

I am biased as well.
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The bottom line is that if you are going to rock crawl with 35s (and your proposed build sounds Ike you are) then go with the Rubi.
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Ever heard of the Rubicon Trail? Yep.
Ever heard of the Sport Trail? Nope.

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I could never figure those guys who buy Jeeps with 3.21 gearing (what the HELL, Jeep???), add 35" tires, then go offroad only to find that their Jeeps won't get out of their own way.

Those 4.10s are hard to beat.
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Those 4.10s are hard to beat.
Until you slap on 37's and try to tow
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Also need to define what you mean by "rock crawling". A mere Sport can crawl rocks for sure-I did it. But there are different types of trails. I have been on runs where Lunatics FrankenHeep limo on 37s and a big lift was the "littlest rig on the run" and only one of two full-body Jeeps. The rest were nearly buggied out. But these were the big boy sideways pucker kinda trails. My limo would have come out in pieces on 32s lol! But the trails I did run are possibly more than most folks will ever comfortably try regardless of their rig. So keep in mind just what your playground will look like. Not all rocks are created equal.
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People can make the argument for a sport or Sahara or whatever. These are usually the folks that went cheaper and wish they hadn't. I am one of those people. I had 2 TJ sports before my 2013 JKR. No short bus here! And I defended my sports every time. I would never do that again! It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight! Go rubicon you will thank all 50 guys and gals who told u to do so in this thread, including myself.
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i was in the same situation...

Sport Base manual with just A/C or Base Rubicon

Rubicon is a better deal. power convenience group is included! as well as 1 yr satelite radio, alpine w/subwoofer(doesn't matter sucks anyway), auto dim mirror, I found it to be very well equipped for a base model.

LOVE my Rubi!

base JKUR is $35,999 msrp. good luck finding it though
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People can make the argument for a sport or Sahara or whatever. These are usually the folks that went cheaper and wish they hadn't. I am one of those people. I had 2 TJ sports before my 2013 JKR. No short bus here! And I defended my sports every time. I would never do that again! It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight! Go rubicon you will thank all 50 guys and gals who told u to do so in this thread, including myself.
Not necessarily. A stock Sport is a capable rig out of the box for what most people will ever plan on doing with it. I took my Sport places that many folks would pucker! Only reason I defected to Rubicon is I want to run a bit more challenging trails where I will need things like bigger tires and lockers, and the 4:1. If I wanted to just stay on the level of trails I did run, I would have stuck with the Sport, plopped some better 33 inch tires on it, added a lot of stickers, and been perfectly happy. It is all what you want to do with the rig. And remember there are times driver skill trumps electronics and fancy mechanicals! If you are going to a knife fight, you dont need a gun.
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Been where you are exactly. Don't even hesitate, Rubi all the way. Why buy a sport and wonder if you should have bought a Rubi?
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Ever heard of the Rubicon Trail? Yep.
Ever heard of the Sport Trail? Nope.

Go Rubicon.
Well in all honesty, since all Jeeps are such wimps and I traded my 2010 Rubicon for a lowly Sport S, I better just stick to dry roads on my way to the mall. I'll buy a Subaru for when it snows since a Jeep can't handle it.

Maybe one day if I get those stickers again, I will feel confident enough in my vehicle to try a dirt road. shiver but not till then.

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With the right driver the rubicon trail can be completed on a stock jeep with 31s.

Keep in mind this is an older pamphlet but still applies. Your JK is already lifted higher than the jeeps of this era and your stock 32s are already bigger.

It's good to learn on a stock setup. It will improve your skills much more than just slapping on big tires and lifts and then not having any small challenges.

To find a challenge with big tires and lifts you'll come to see that the obstacle is also bigger which makes it more dangerous. Higher risk of breaking things.

Counter that, if you want to just sleep crawl through the easy / moderate stuff with no challenge then put on big tires and lifts.

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Not necessarily. A stock Sport is a capable rig out of the box for what most people will ever plan on doing with it. I took my Sport places that many folks would pucker! Only reason I defected to Rubicon is I want to run a bit more challenging trails where I will need things like bigger tires and lockers, and the 4:1. If I wanted to just stay on the level of trails I did run, I would have stuck with the Sport, plopped some better 33 inch tires on it, added a lot of stickers, and been perfectly happy. It is all what you want to do with the rig. And remember there are times driver skill trumps electronics and fancy mechanicals! If you are going to a knife fight, you dont need a gun.
Ya you missed it man...i did not say that a sport is not a capable rig. Shit we all know that jeep wranglers are the best right out of the box rigs you can buy. What im saying is that for the money and the sheer convenience of not having to upgrade all this other crap such as, gearing, tires, transfer case, disco's, sliders, audio system, lockers, power package, and the list goes on.....right out of the box! I will be the first to admit that i don't beat my JKR up like i did my TJ sports. I will never get too crazy with it, thats a given. But i will offroad, i will trail ride, i will pull my trailer with 33's on it, i will go camping, i will drive it long distances, i will lift it, i will run 35's, oh ya and I WILL NOT WASH IT, and so on. And for these reasons it is better to start out with a solid base such as a Rubicon if you can afford it and only if so.

PS: If and when i go to said knife fight, you best believe i will have my 1911 in the glove box and my 380 in my nuts!!!
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Well in all honesty, since all Jeeps are such wimps and I traded my 2010 Rubicon for a lowly Sport S, I better just stick to dry roads on my way to the mall. I'll buy a Subaru for when it snows since a Jeep can't handle it. Maybe one day if I get those stickers again, I will feel confident enough in my vehicle to try a dirt road. shiver but not till then. /sarcasm off
YA! So awesome!

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Well in all honesty, since all Jeeps are such wimps and I traded my 2010 Rubicon for a lowly Sport S, I better just stick to dry roads on my way to the mall. I'll buy a Subaru for when it snows since a Jeep can't handle it.

Maybe one day if I get those stickers again, I will feel confident enough in my vehicle to try a dirt road. shiver but not till then.

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Well in all honesty, since all Jeeps are such wimps and I traded my 2010 Rubicon for a lowly Sport S, I better just stick to dry roads on my way to the mall. I'll buy a Subaru for when it snows since a Jeep can't handle it. Maybe one day if I get those stickers again, I will feel confident enough in my vehicle to try a dirt road. shiver but not till then. /sarcasm off
KC, you seem to bristle up every time I make a post. I'm not sure what about my sense of humor you don't get, but it's getting old. I'm not quite sure how you could take offense at what was obviously lighthearted humor. If you don't like me or my sense of humor, by all means, block my posts. Seems a little childish, but maybe that's what you need to do.
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I don't know why this question always sparks a pissing contest.

I loved my sport, did some fun and amazing things in it! But after I wheeled it and figured out what I wanted to add, the Rubicon made sense (for me)
The $$ difference currently between a sport s and rubicon is $5800.
Lockers
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Plus additional creature comforts

Those all added up to where I would be spending more to fix my sport up, rather than starting over with a rubi. (and I hated the manual and wanted to go auto)

Everyone's needs are different and a sport is likely enough for most. But the rubi is more capable, that's why it cost more money. If you need those capabilities, buy it. If you don't, buy a sport. You can wheel the crap out of either of them.
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I don't know why this question always sparks a pissing contest. I loved my sport, did some fun and amazing things in it! But after I wheeled it and figured out what I wanted to add, the Rubicon made sense (for me) The $$ difference currently between a sport s and rubicon is $5800. Lockers Disco's Transfer case D44 Gears Plus additional creature comforts Those all added up to where I would be spending more to fix my sport up, rather than starting over with a rubi. (and I hated the manual and wanted to go auto) Everyone's needs are different and a sport is likely enough for most. But the rubi is more capable, that's why it cost more money. If you need those capabilities, buy it. If you don't, buy a sport. You can wheel the crap out of either of them.
This is a great post.

The best build up case for the Sport is if you want to exceed the rubicon level.

In essence you want dynatrac 60s with ARB air lockers and an atlas transfer case.

In that scenario, no sense paying more for the rubicon because you're replacing all the stuff that made it cost more.

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