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Old 01-22-2013, 12:50 PM   #1
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Sport vs Sahara vs Rubicon - JK

Im *new* & curious Is this a “Jeep thing” that I don’t yet understand or ?..

I just purchased a 2013 – JKU – Sport for $25,700 – pretty basic/stripped down .. I looked at a few Rubicons that were $10-15K more..and didn’t see much of a difference outside of creature comforts(automatic windows, start, leather, nav etc..) . From the outside – the tires/rims were a little nicer & of course it had the rubicon sticker..

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What the heck am I missing here? My primary purchase was to take the top off/enjoy the sun & wind ..& maybe get it out on a few trails that are unfortunately several hours away from where I live . So what does my jeep lose vs a Sahara vs rubicon here.. especially if I lifted & put on 35s .

from what I can tell just an axel that’s a little thicker correct? I guess, if I were really into offroading I’d take that extra $15k I saved and would go get an ATV or souped up offroad buggy( that could do things a Jeep couldn’t do …). I read of the few guys on this forum that saved the $10-15K and bought a “rubicon” sticker (which seemed cheezy – but hey he saved a good chunk- if “status” is his thing)

What I find amusing is on craigslist in my area –many are selling Rubicon takeoffs ( wheels/tires). I guess if I lived in Colorado or on top of a rockpile maybe..

Again.. I know I am a young jeep jedi in training & don’t know what I don’t know (the guy that sold me my jeep wasn’t very informing). I do know that my gas gets sucked out.. more so than my previous F150(5.4L) ..but to me – worth it, & I got cheap (wheels &) tires for life if im ok w/stock rubicon ..

What am I missing ? Do those of you that have Rubicons – live in the mountains or a place where this is several trails ?


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I'm a newer Jeep owner as well - Sport S. My understanding (and everyone is welcome to pile on if I'm off base) is there is some notion that since the Rubicon is the most expensive, it means that model should be the "top of the line" - and this association is incorrect. The Rubicon is outfitted with the electronic disconnect and other components that allow it to better rock crawl and do more extreme off-roading than a Sport or Sahara model, so depending on your intended usage, it may or may not be the right choice for you. However, the Sport is very capable off-road in the stock configuration, and the Sahara basically has more creature comforts and an upgraded exterior appearance (painted flares, top option). Just my $0.02.

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The rubicon is the top of the line regarding all three stock models.

4:1 crawl ratio
Electronic sway disconnects
Stock MTs
Heavy duty transfer case
D44 front and rear alxes
3.73 or 4.10 gears stock
Electronic lockers
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It's all about the little details that make it good off-road. The things that cost the most are the locking front and rear diffs. Aftermarket cost to add a locking diff is $2500/axle (parts & labor). You also get dana 44 axles (bigger/stronger), off-road tires (the tires on every other model are crappy all seasons not worth a darn off-road or even in snow), sway bar disconnect, and other off-road specific options.

Honestly unless you really like to do serious off-roading, the Rubicon is a total waste of money. And when I say serious I don't mean what 99.99% of Jeep owners consider "serious" I mean terrain that gets you stuck if you're not willing to flip your vehicle, terrain that requires skid plates to prevent destroying your vehicle, and things like that which qualify something as "serious."
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To make a Rubicon worth it you need to really know what you are doing. Enjoy your jeep whatever trim level it is, they all can go off-road. An unexperienced off-roader can get into a lot of trouble in a Rubicon. It will get your jeep into positions that non locked jeeps wouldnt allow you to get into. When it comes to available off road vehicles it is the top of the line by far. Once you own one it would be tuff to go back.

A stock sport will do some amazing things. Get the LSD though.
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I love my Sport S because it gets me anywhere I want to go, but it also gets amazing fuel economy for what it is. The Rubi package drops your MPGs and costs you more money to operate.
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I love my Sport S because it gets me anywhere I want to go, but it also gets amazing fuel economy for what it is. The Rubi package drops your MPGs and costs you more money to operate.
True.

My sport used to get great MPG too until I started adding "things". Now it does more including drinking more gas.
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Sport with LSD will be fine for your description...you won't hurt a d30 up front with 33s (anyone can break anything obviously)if you go that route later you will want to gussett the c's on any of them.
You won't be crawling serious stuff so a 4:1 isn't needed and disconnects can be swapped for quick disconnects which if you need to do that the extra minute isn't going to kill you...most vehicles do this the Rubin and land rovers have the auto setup the rest go quick disconnects if needed...
I'd save the money and get the sport. Just my .02 a lot of guys buy the rubicon and then never use it its a status symbol for the most part with a lot of jeep owners....

I bought a Sahara and built it my way but I intend to eventually flip it or lay it on its side and the stuff we do Rubicons won't do without modding (tires/axles/suspension/drive shafts etc.) anywase so again for me it was a waste. (I'd like the 4:1 but I'm going to twin stick sooner than later anywase...
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Umm, They are both documented at 17/21.
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The rubicon is the top of the line regarding all three stock models.

4:1 crawl ratio
Electronic sway disconnects
Stock MTs
Heavy duty transfer case
D44 front and rear alxes
3.73 or 4.10 gears stock
Electronic lockers
You're missing all of this. I wouldn't get the Rubicon if I were you unless you also want the hood insulation.
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You're missing all of this. I wouldn't get the Rubicon if I were you unless you also want the hood insulation.
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His Sport doesn't come with hood insulation, unless that has changed.
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My mind was made up with the hood insulation!
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I love my Rubi GET THE RUBICON Do IT

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Im *new* & curious Is this a “Jeep thing” that I don’t yet understand or ?..

I just purchased a 2013 – JKU – Sport for $25,700 – pretty basic/stripped down .. I looked at a few Rubicons that were $10-15K more..and didn’t see much of a difference outside of creature comforts(automatic windows, start, leather, nav etc..) . From the outside – the tires/rims were a little nicer & of course it had the rubicon sticker..

So…


What the heck am I missing here? My primary purchase was to take the top off/enjoy the sun & wind ..& maybe get it out on a few trails that are unfortunately several hours away from where I live . So what does my jeep lose vs a Sahara vs rubicon here.. especially if I lifted & put on 35s .

from what I can tell just an axel that’s a little thicker correct? I guess, if I were really into offroading I’d take that extra $15k I saved and would go get an ATV or souped up offroad buggy( that could do things a Jeep couldn’t do …). I read of the few guys on this forum that saved the $10-15K and bought a “rubicon” sticker (which seemed cheezy – but hey he saved a good chunk- if “status” is his thing)

What I find amusing is on craigslist in my area –many are selling Rubicon takeoffs ( wheels/tires). I guess if I lived in Colorado or on top of a rockpile maybe..

Again.. I know I am a young jeep jedi in training & don’t know what I don’t know (the guy that sold me my jeep wasn’t very informing). I do know that my gas gets sucked out.. more so than my previous F150(5.4L) ..but to me – worth it, & I got cheap (wheels &) tires for life if im ok w/stock rubicon ..

What am I missing ? Do those of you that have Rubicons – live in the mountains or a place where this is several trails ?


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For your particular use, you have the correct model.

The Rubi will have you the ability to do more things both now and down the line, but if you are using the Jeep to just drop the top and cruise, while hitting the occasional trail, you are fine.
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So what does my jeep lose vs a Sahara vs rubicon here.. especially if I lifted & put on 35s .
You can see the full specs of what each model is equipped with on Jeep's website, but ESP got most of them.
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My choice was easy. The wife said if it doesn't come with leather and heated seats I wasn't going to get a jeep! So I got a 2 door Sahara. She's happy, I'm happy-- except when we fight over the keys. And besides when we get an inch of tree pollen in Georgia in the spring, leather is a lot easier to wipe off when the top is down.
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Rubicon is a waste of $$$$$$, you can have a better setup for the buck with aftermarket parts. Most people who actually by the Rubicon for what it is made to do ends up selling off most of what made it a rubi in the first place to get the aftermarket parts anyways.
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People here are hilarious. You could justify any trim level with a Jeep. Some here hate Rubicons and say they are overpriced. Some think unless you have a Rubicon with 37 inch tires, a 4 inch lift, 4.88 gears, and rock crawl everyday you don't belong in a Jeep.

Get what you want and feel comfortable with. Come here for advice, but use your own judgment to buy.
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Rubicon is a waste of $$$$$$, you can have a better setup for the buck with aftermarket parts. Most people who actually by the Rubicon for what it is made to do ends up selling off most of what made it a rubi in the first place to get the aftermarket parts anyways.
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Rubicon is a waste of $$$$$$, you can have a better setup for the buck with aftermarket parts. Most people who actually by the Rubicon for what it is made to do ends up selling off most of what made it a rubi in the first place to get the aftermarket parts anyways.
I would not call a Rubi a waste of money.

It really depends on your needs.

If you plan on doing extreme rock crawling with D60's and an Atlas...well then yeah....you might as well start with a Sport.

But if you want to easily add 35's, a winch and armor so that you can hit most trails and still have it as a DD....a Rubi makes perfect sense.
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Well the thing is, I spent as much money on my 13 Rubicon than my friend did on his 12 Sport S. I bought mine as a family fun off road vehicle. I didn't buy it for the convertible top, they have LeBarons for that.

You CANNOT buy the items a Rubicon has aftermarket for a better price. If you want a Rubicon then get one. If not get another trim level.

And don't forget about the under hood liner,, good luck finding that aftermarket.
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Rubicon is a waste of $$$$$$, you can have a better setup for the buck with aftermarket parts. Most people who actually by the Rubicon for what it is made to do ends up selling off most of what made it a rubi in the first place to get the aftermarket parts anyways.
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sahara has insulation under the hood .
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sahara has insulation under the hood .
NO WAY!! all that extra money I spent! Calling my salesman in the morning.
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I bought a Rubicon for a lot of reasons...but mostly because I wanted it and could afford it.

I've been driving Jeeps for decades. My YJ stayed pretty stock as did my TJ...so I wanted the most capable stock Wrangler that I could get...even though I may mod this one more.

I also absolutely wanted all of the luxury features that you can get and 4.10 axle ratios. My JKR got me that...and she does not disappoint with that gearing and the 3.6L. I also now no longer feel like I am making comfort compromises by having a Wrangler as my DD.

Yeah, yeah, luxury has no place in a jeep. Whatever. Get back to me after you have been driving a spartan jeep for 30 years. I started in an M151A2 in the Army...and it was then another dozen years before the Jeep that I was driving had a radio, AC, and carpet...and even when I did get all of that in a YJ, she had full-time half doors with zipped windows. I'll take all the luxury that I can get now...as long as it is in a Wrangler.


Of course, hood insulation is really what sealed the deal.

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