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Old 09-03-2011, 09:25 AM   #31
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^ .......exactly any that comes with "Trail Rated" stamp should handle more than 99.5% of what people will thow at it including pavement
That "stamp" is nothing more than a marketing tool and has nothing to do with capability.

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it is a little more than a marketing tool, it does show that some forethought went into the vehicles intention and ability to go off road to an extent, and we all know that doesnt mean hard core rock crawling or other extreme type wheeling

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I SO did not need the Rubi - have not yet pushed it past what I could do in my TJ sport... hell, have not yet pushed it TOO what I could do in my TJ Sport... I need to get out more
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:18 AM   #34
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I do not understand.

I had a Rubicon '03. I now have an '11 JK, non-Rubicon. The Rubicon is more expensive because of the Dana 44 front axle, gearing, tires, axle lock, sway bar disconnect. Do you need those things? If you need those things, get a Rubicon. If you do not need those things, save your money. I don't need a Dana 44 front axle as a Dana 30 is just fine, I wanted tires other than the ones that come stock on the Rubicon, 3:21 gearing is fine, don't use or need axle lock, and I can disconnect my own sway bars. That's why I chose the JK Sport. Money was not an issue for me, I could have bought a Rubicon, but didn't want to spend money on options I don't need. I do not understand the gut "gotta have the Rubicon" issue. Help me understand. Is it social status? What is it? Buy what you need. You will find happiness in that, I promise.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:16 PM   #36
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I got jku sport. With enough mud plastered on it I think it looks better than a mall crawler rubi
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I had every intention of buying a Sport but the only '12 Sport they had was damaged from the shipping company. It had dents above the windshield from the ramps on the trailer.

The others they had were Rubicons and a Sahara. I took a black Rubicon home for the night and decided to get it. It was only 7K more than the Sport but had leather, nav, & remote start which are not available on the Sport.
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OK everyone. Time to get the lace off the tighty whities and and make a decision. LOL.
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Here is another way of looking at things. The money I saved NOT buying a Rubicon, I used to purchase Smittybilt front and back bumpers, a winch, rock sliders, and a 2" level lift. Things that I specifically wanted and will use. I do not need the Dana 44 front axle, axle lock, etc. And I have money left over, actually. This was a practical line of reasoning I went through before making my purchase. It goes back to my theory that most Jeeps do not need tricking out, because most people who own Jeeps do not take them off road much, or at all. Stock Jeep Wranglers are capable off road right off the lot. If you add something, do it for a reason. I don't have anything against the Rubicon - I drove one for eight years - but in those eight years I didn't get my money's worth out of the Rubicon extras.
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I do not understand.

I had a Rubicon '03. I now have an '11 JK, non-Rubicon. The Rubicon is more expensive because of the Dana 44 front axle, gearing, tires, axle lock, sway bar disconnect. Do you need those things? If you need those things, get a Rubicon. If you do not need those things, save your money. I don't need a Dana 44 front axle as a Dana 30 is just fine, I wanted tires other than the ones that come stock on the Rubicon, 3:21 gearing is fine, don't use or need axle lock, and I can disconnect my own sway bars. That's why I chose the JK Sport. Money was not an issue for me, I could have bought a Rubicon, but didn't want to spend money on options I don't need. I do not understand the gut "gotta have the Rubicon" issue. Help me understand. Is it social status? What is it? Buy what you need. You will find happiness in that, I promise.
For some people (mall crawlers) it seems that owning a Rubi is a status symbol...kinda like owning a GMC Denali or Escalade.But for some like you mentioned wanted that D44 up front and most specially the 4.1 TC.

The JKU is a very capable rig...paired with a capable driver or spotter you can keep up with a TJ when technical rock crawling but can get hung up alot.Thats why armor is very important for longer wheelbase Jeeps.

I always say that ever since Jeep made the 4 doors it opened the door to mainstream society.Before well atleast most of the time only true Jeeper buy wranglers but now just about every 5 minutes on road i see them.
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So . . . skip both the Rubicon and Sahara, and get a JK Sport. Then use saved money on specific upgrades and trinkets you want/need. There, Celtic, we made the decision!
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Then . . . make a custom sticker for both sides of the hood that says "Rubicon GT".
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if your not gonna wheel it, you dont need a rubi
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if your not gonna wheel it, you dont need a rubi
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For some people (mall crawlers) it seems that owning a Rubi is a status symbol...kinda like owning a GMC Denali or Escalade.But for some like you mentioned wanted that D44 up front and most specially the 4.1 TC.

The JKU is a very capable rig...paired with a capable driver or spotter you can keep up with a TJ when technical rock crawling but can get hung up alot.Thats why armor is very important for longer wheelbase Jeeps.

I always say that ever since Jeep made the 4 doors it opened the door to mainstream society.Before well atleast most of the time only true Jeeper buy wranglers but now just about every 5 minutes on road i see them.
I agree.

I always see this question. You want to save money and buy a rubicon? Buy used
Lol.

New Rubicons are being scoffed up like crazy, 2 extra doors, leather, power everything = $40,000. I don't blame them folks for mall crawling paying that amount of ching.

I keep asking this question "how many Dr's, lawyers, people with money, you see driving a Tj? The rubicon is the most expensive model (not by much). If you have bank wouldn't you go all out? The Jk is way more comfortable then my Tj was.
Only a certain type of person drove jeeps in the past, now more everyday working folks are buying them for everyday driving.
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I'd go Rubi no question. The fact that you have a decision to make tells me that you have the cash that it takes to land the Rubi.
Decision made.

Even if you say you aren't going to wheel it, i don't buy it. First it's a simple trip to the lake where the cars can get to. Then you meet a friend that is in to it a bit more than you. Now you're following him/her down cool two tracks & having the tiime of your life. Next, a stream crossing, steep bank, & a ditch between you & you desired picnic spot.

In stock form, Jeeps with open differentials (like the Saharas) are so limited it's not funny. You think when you a buy a Jeep, any Jeep, it will climb like crazy off road. Not true. The brochure is misleading, lol.
The Rubi's 4.10 gears are much better suited for on & off road than the gears in the Sahara.

If you were going to add Dana 60's, lower gears, bigger tires, you'ld be wasting money on the Rubi. The fact that you are not makes the choice crystal clear,
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I had a Rubicon and it was no better off road than my JK Sport, or in fact my other TJs. If it was, I would have bought another Rubicon.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:23 PM   #48
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Buy what you want...
But don't buy what you don't need unless you have money to burn.....and if so....do you need a new best friend?

Sahara or Sport S package for me. I can save some cash with a Sport S package, but there are some things on the Sahara that I really want in which the Sport does not offer (saddle interior instead of all black, painted fenders, 115v outlet, gas shocks).

I'm looking at what suits me (3.21 axle ratio)....you should do the same.
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I had a Rubicon and it was no better off road than my JK Sport, or in fact my other TJs. If it was, I would have bought another Rubicon.
I think someone must have stolen your lockers???
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I'd go Rubi no question. The fact that you have a decision to make tells me that you have the cash that it takes to land the Rubi.
Decision made.


Edit: he can get away with saying that because he has an X.
Most answers I see are bias. You have a rubi "buy a rubi" have a sport/sahara "buy a sport/sahara"
I've seen "buyers remorse" thrown around but nobody will admit to it.
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So . . . skip both the Rubicon and Sahara, and get a JK Sport. Then use saved money on specific upgrades and trinkets you want/need. There, Celtic, we made the decision!
Bravo PAVarminter,

I like your reasoning. Apparently the next 11 posts after yours did not share the same sentiments.

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Bravo PAVarminter,

I like your reasoning. Apparently the next 11 posts after yours did not share the same sentiments.

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I try to tell people but they don't listen. Extreme rock crawling is a whole other animal that requires extensive mods. The off roading 95% of Jeepers do can be done quite effectively in a Sport. In 4H or 4L. If you need to lock your axles you need a lot more than a stock Rubicon. I know, I drove a Rubicon off road for eight years. But I said that already haven't I.
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Wow guess I'm am smart bought the sport 3 weeks ago. Have a tundra, covertable toyota and a 71 mustang all but the jeep payed off. Where did I leave my keys again
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I heard this same argument three years ago when I bought my base JK.

I'm looking forward to picking up my Rubicon in a few days.
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I got the rubicon to save money, the TC gears, stronger front axle and lockers would of been a little more aftermarket then from the factory. Even with that the rubicon will not make it up my favorite trails in stock form with out some serious damage. So rubicon, 3.5 lift, fox shocks and 35s are on before the 500 mile mark. This is my first DD that can hack it off road (in my book) I have always had trailer rigs. All said and done to get my JKUR able to do most of the trails I run it is well over the 40k mark. But I eliminated my tow rig (37k) my trailer (6k) and my offroad rig (15k) so see, I saved money.
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I like the Rubicon. But for what I do and what I wanted, it didn't make sense for me to get another one. Getting one because it has what you want makes perfect sense of course.

The original thread was Rubicon or Sahara. My point was simply if you don't need what the Rubicon has, don't waste your money.
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Hogwash,who says you need a good reason to buy a rubicon over a Sahara?
Buy what you want , and call it a day.there are many Rubicons that never see large rocks,big deal.
If you like the rub better then buy it.

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Hogwash, now there is a word I have not heard in a while...
I dont think anyone would argue your point, including me. That said,
if you look back at the original post, Nadurra is looking for a reason to purchase either the Sahara or Rubi. I thought that the intent of this thread was to come up with arguments for or against to help in their decision making process. If he knew what he wanted I dont think he would have posted the question.
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Hogwash, now there is a word I have not heard in a while...
I dont think anyone would argue your point, including me. That said,
if you look back at the original post, Nadurra is looking for a reason to purchase either the Sahara or Rubi. I thought that the intent of this thread was to come up with arguments for or against to help in their decision making process. If he knew what he wanted I dont think he would have posted the question.
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Agree.

I disagree that a person should just "buy what they want". There should be some reasoning behind an expensive purchase, more than a Rubicon sticker on the hood. Paying thousands extra for things underneath that you will not use is just not reasonable. I'm sorry, but I feel strongly about that. I would not recommend a Rubicon to a daily driver who will rarely go off road. Why would anyone recommend that?

That being said, I believe the Rubicon is a good deal money wise, for those who will use said goodies.

By the way looks like Nadurra bought a Rubicon about maybe two days ago and I am sure has long abandoned this thread. !!

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