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Old 02-17-2013, 12:56 AM   #31
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How about this? Does the bumpstop have to be touching the tire at rest, or just be close to it?

YES....it really must touch! mine do.
If the tire does not touch or press against the supports you will be able to see and feel the difference when you close the tailgate. Not a good warm feeling.

Also.....Have you seen a stock broken tire carrier....I have and in person. Nasty looking but I do not know how they did it. Still SUPER scary!

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I ask about the bumpstops because guys make a big deal about the various backspacing of different wheels... However, I have the AEV Pintlers, which have the same backspacing as stock Moabs, yet my spare doesn't actually touch the bumpstop...

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YES....it really must touch! mine do.
If the tire does not touch or press against the supports you will be able to see and feel the difference when you close the tailgate. Not a good warm feeling.

Also.....Have you seen a stock broken tire carrier....I have and in person. Nasty looking but I do not know how they did it. Still SUPER scary!
Honestly, my spare feels snug though... if i tug on the spare a bit, the entire back of the Jeep moves....tire is still. lol
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Honestly, my spare feels snug though... if i tug on the spare a bit, the entire back of the Jeep moves....tire is still. lol
But after time the plastic mount will crack from the vibration ....
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I think you want the tire up firm against the bump stops to prevent vibrations that could lead to metal fatigue. I think a person could almost read the 50lbs warning as do not add more then 50 lbs beyond the weight of the spare tire. I know stock rubi wheel and tire is right around 75 lbs. stock rim weighs about 27lbs and stock tire 48.
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I agree it is vital that the bump stops are tight to eliminate vibration and fatigue. I also got an idea from the pic in the manual that if you used blocks or something to suport the tire against the bumper it would aalso help eliminat stress? Could be cheep insurance. The most stress will be from driving.
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But after time the plastic mount will crack from the vibration ....
When I added my back bumper and tire carrier I thought that original tire carrier was plastic too. But in fact it is aluminum. At least mine was; 2008 model. Not to say that makes it any better. An ABS plastic might actually be better than what it is. There is about a 1" to 1-1/2" steel band molded into it that connects from a mounting hole to the gate and a stud to the tire. That obviously is a satety strap in case the mount would fall apart.
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There's plenty of evidence to be found of broken tire carriers. Most every case I've seen it was holding aftermarket wheels and tires. I ran my heavy tires for a little while on the original carrier and I was nervous about it the whole time. That made a good excuse to upgrade my rear bumper.

Oh, and sorry I am not an engineer. I am just some Jeep slappy or apologist and that is my opinion on it.
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There's plenty of evidence to be found of broken tire carriers. Most every case I've seen it was holding aftermarket wheels and tires. I ran my heavy tires for a little while on the original carrier and I was nervous about it the whole time. That made a good excuse to upgrade my rear bumper.

Oh, and sorry I am not an engineer. I am just some Jeep slappy or apologist and that is my opinion on it.
Then why does the stock rear bumper come with a larger indentation to accommodate a larger tire? In my opinion, if you can fit a larger spare on the back of the carrier, then it should qualify as being safe. Otherwise, the wrong msg is being sent to the consumer...
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Then why does the stock rear bumper come with a larger indentation to accommodate a larger tire? In my opinion, if you can fit a larger spare on the back of the carrier, then it should qualify as being safe. Otherwise, the wrong msg is being sent to the consumer...
Then don't buy the jeep. They clearly tell you it can't handle the additional weight v
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Then don't buy the jeep. They clearly tell you it can't handle the additional weight v
You are right... I just wish it was a little more manly coming out of the factory. These annoying little "upgrades" are numerous...
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In my 2012 OM page 495 it says if any accessories are added to the carrier they can't exceed 50 lbs including the weight of the tire. Yes, it is to protect Jeep from people putting too much weight there and then taking them to court.

And as to stock from factory, how much of a lift? 2"? 3.5"? What about the 90% of people who never want to lift their Wrangler? Front window tinting is illegal in most states so they don't put it on. You can get different size tires and rims based on the model you choose, but if that isn't enough how many tire/rim combinations should be stock? Any other manufacturer do all of that stock?
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In my 2012 OM page 495 it says if any accessories are added to the carrier they can't exceed 50 lbs including the weight of the tire. Yes, it is to protect Jeep from people putting too much weight there and then taking them to court.

And as to stock from factory, how much of a lift? 2"? 3.5"? What about the 90% of people who never want to lift their Wrangler? Front window tinting is illegal in most states so they don't put it on. You can get different size tires and rims based on the model you choose, but if that isn't enough how many tire/rim combinations should be stock? Any other manufacturer do all of that stock?
How is Jeep covering its as by saying there's a 50 lbs. limit on the carrier when a stock Rubi tire/wheel combo is like 73 lbs.??? I mean, c'mon, dude... If you can't have at least 100 lbs. back there from the factory, then this vehicle is weak sauce...
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I ran a 35 inch spare on the stock carrier for over 2 years without a problem. I also hung many deer from the spare tire and never a problem. I'm not saying some have not had problems but I did not.
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You started out with a question that probably should have been searched. My guess is you just wanted to argue every point that was suggested to you.

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What's the biggest tire the stock tire carrier can handle?
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Yeah but there's enough indentation for a 35.... Does anyone out there put a 35 on it?
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Surely you mean 50 extra lbs.??? A stock wheel and tire weigh more than 50 lbs...
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.. Surely the tailgate can handle 86 lbs. ?!?! If not, these cars were built for wimps... Flat out.
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then this vehicle, the Jeep, is for pussies. Sorry.
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... I like my Jeep, but the whole situation is annoying as hell sometimes...
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. The manual has been worded incorrectly. Think about that...It just makes no sense???? Lol
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On a serious note, I'd like to hear from someone mechanically-inclined, like an engineer, not just some Jeep slappy or apologist...
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The silence is deafening...
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I think these carriers can handle 100 lbs without issue...
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In my opinion, if you can fit a larger spare on the back of the carrier, then it should qualify as being safe. Otherwise, the wrong msg is being sent to the consumer...
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You are right... I just wish it was a little more manly coming out of the factory. These annoying little "upgrades" are numerous...
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I mean, c'mon, dude... If you can't have at least 100 lbs. back there from the factory, then this vehicle is weak sauce...
I think you should sell that powder puff.
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You started out with a question that probably should have been searched. My guess is you just wanted to argue every point that was suggested to you.

I think you should sell that powder puff.
You're probably right. Any owner's manual that claims a 50 lb. max when it comes out of the factory in the 60's and 70's is suspect to me. Back to the F-150...
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I personally think the op has a valid point. stock rubi tire/wheel combo weigh 75lbs and the manual says 50lb max wtf? No tire/wheel combo from the factory probably is supposed to be carried on the spare tire carrier as even the lowly 16"ers come in over 50lbs.
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I personally think the op has a valid point. stock rubi tire/wheel combo weigh 75lbs and the manual says 50lb max wtf? No tire/wheel combo from the factory probably is supposed to be carried on the spare tire carrier as even the lowly 16"ers come in over 50lbs.
Thank you for having the balls to back me up--you are in the minority on here. There are many Jeep apologists on this forum. They think Jeeps are so cool, along with the fact that Jeep somehow spells beer when turned upside down...

Here is an indisputable fact: Either the limit is truly 50 lbs., which would be inexcusable because of the empirical evidence we have regarding stock tire/wheel combo weights, or the manual is written incorrectly. But either way, one of the 2 conditions needs to be confirmed and/or rectified by Chrysler.

Now, my tire/wheel combo is only 12 lbs. above a Rubi tire/wheel combo, so only about 16% higher, and thus well within any reasonable excess tolerance levels recognized by any engineer... If it breaks, Jeep will fix it under warranty, or they can blow me...
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I personally think the op has a valid point. stock rubi tire/wheel combo weigh 75lbs and the manual says 50lb max wtf? No tire/wheel combo from the factory probably is supposed to be carried on the spare tire carrier as even the lowly 16"ers come in over 50lbs.
His point may be valid, but all he wants to do is argue with any response and hurl insults at jeeps.

I think everyone is sick of his whining.
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His point may be valid, but all he wants to do is argue with any response and hurl insults at jeeps.

I think everyone is sick of his whining.
Look, I own a Jeep, so I know what needs to be insulted, Watson. This is supposed to be, or is at least falsely marketed as, an off-road vehicle first, and a woman's grocery-getter second. However, the latter is taking precedence--and it's happening at Ford and GM, as well. These companies know that women, not men, make purchasing decisions in the household... Well, that's not the case in my household...

Nonetheless, any "off-road" vehicle should be able to handle well over 150 lbs. hanging off the tailgate, not just 50. But that's just it: The Wrangler is getting away from off-road, and moving toward grocery. It's now much closer to a Patriot than a YJ...
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I agree with you Chief! An extra 20 lbs or so shouldn't matter on the rear gate. I think much exaggeration carries on around here. My biggest peeve is the perceived need to compensate for new bumpers and such. If the springs can't handle a new bumper, what's going to happen when I put 4 adults in there??
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I agree with you Chief! An extra 20 lbs or so shouldn't matter on the rear gate. I think much exaggeration carries on around here. My biggest peeve is the perceived need to compensate for new bumpers and such. If the springs can't handle a new bumper, what's going to happen when I put 4 adults in there??
Thank you! God forbid you put 4 adults in a 4-passenger vehicle! Lol
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I bet that the manual is poorly worded, and should be 50lbs + the spare. The stock Rubi wheels weigh what 73lbs? The Sport S are like 60 and the Sahara are around 70. No way in hell is Jeep hanging 10+ lbs over the rated limit from the get go.

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I agree with you Chief! An extra 20 lbs or so shouldn't matter on the rear gate. I think much exaggeration carries on around here. My biggest peeve is the perceived need to compensate for new bumpers and such. If the springs can't handle a new bumper, what's going to happen when I put 4 adults in there??
Measure the distance between the center of your rear wheel to the inside of the fender. Then put four adults in the Jeep and measure again. There will be a difference, possibly quite a bit depending on your rear spring rates. When you add a 100lb+ rear bumper, you are adding that sag permanently. That is why people compensate.
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If a Jeep rep can come on this forum and clarify things a bit, that would be nice... I'd really like to know what this tire carrier / tailgate can really handle...
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If a Jeep rep can come on this forum and clarify things a bit, that would be nice... I'd really like to know what this tire carrier / tailgate can really handle...
you're better off calling the dealerships or talking to jeep directly. you'll probably get an answer in a more timely manner.

but i'll share my thoughts and experiences... i am running a 35" tire and a hi-lift jack on my stock tailgate hinges. i could not use the stock tire carrier, my tire (35") hit my stock bumper on the stock carrier. fast forward 1 year, my hinges are sagging. when i close my tailgate slowly - the latch doesn't line up. you have to "lift" the tailgate to get it to close.

so - i bought the TeraFlex heavy duty hinge and tire carrier combo. still waiting on shipping. but you can find lots of folks around here running that set-up... and they all seem very happy.

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you're better off calling the dealerships or talking to jeep directly. you'll probably get an answer in a more timely manner.

but i'll share my thoughts and experiences... i am running a 35" tire and a hi-lift jack on my stock tailgate hinges. i could not use the stock tire carrier, my tire (35") hit my stock bumper on the stock carrier. fast forward 1 year, my hinges are sagging. when i close my tailgate slowly - the latch doesn't line up. you have to "lift" the tailgate to get it to close.

so - i bought the TeraFlex heavy duty hinge and tire carrier combo. still waiting on shipping. but you can find lots of folks around here running that set-up... and they all seem very happy.

hope that helps.
How much is the TF combo? Do you wheel frequently?
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How much is the TF combo? Do you wheel frequently?
the tire carrier and hinge combo can be had at Krawl Off-Road for 698. that's shipped to your door! great deal and down the road you have the option to run any bumper you want. one of the benefits i really like. that and the heavy duty hinge....

and yes - i wheel what i'd consider a pretty good amount. at least once a month.
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The whole question of limits should translate to asking WHY the tire is not already on a decent swing away carrier, thereby negating the loading issue with the tailgate mounted tire load limits. Jeep does us a dis service by mounting the tire the way they do. It's an additional 80lbs added to the cantilevered load of the tailgate AND the tire weight combined to really work against the hinges and structural mounts.
Pretty soon the whole thing sags as soon as you open the gate, and you have a continually declining situation.
Besides, if you want to make the gate operate at maximum convenience, it's faster to open & close the gate, and less clunky and with less inertia damage when that heavy load closes hard on the gate clasp.
It just seems a lot more logical to have a separate tire carrier OFF the tailgate.
Best I've seen has a double Timken tapered roller bearing at top/bottom of swing tube axis mount. There are several out there like this but think Jeep should have supplied this per the design of the vehicle. They just took the absolute cheapest way out, they could find. A chunk of sh*t plastic mount tacked onto the gate rear panel.
I'm NOT impressed with their tire apparatus design!
We shouldn't have to option out everydangthing about it!
At least SOME common sense should come out of the design.
They could have added on the carrier to the bumper for less than 100.00 added to the cost of the vehicle, and have a MUCH improved design.
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The whole question of limits should translate to asking WHY the tire is not already on a decent swing away carrier, thereby negating the loading issue with the tailgate mounted tire load limits. Jeep does us a dis service by mounting the tire the way they do. It's an additional 80lbs added to the cantilevered load of the tailgate AND the tire weight combined to really work against the hinges and structural mounts.
Pretty soon the whole thing sags as soon as you open the gate, and you have a continually declining situation.
Besides, if you want to make the gate operate at maximum convenience, it's faster to open & close the gate, and less clunky and with less inertia damage when that heavy load closes hard on the gate clasp.
It just seems a lot more logical to have a separate tire carrier OFF the tailgate.
Best I've seen has a double Timken tapered roller bearing at top/bottom of swing tube axis mount. There are several out there like this but think Jeep should have supplied this per the design of the vehicle. They just took the absolute cheapest way out, they could find. A chunk of sh*t plastic mount tacked onto the gate rear panel.
I'm NOT impressed with their tire apparatus design!
We shouldn't have to option out everydangthing about it!
At least SOME common sense should come out of the design.
They could have added on the carrier to the bumper for less than 100.00 added to the cost of the vehicle, and have a MUCH improved design.
That's the thing: You have to option-out these vehicles with aftermarket parts when you really shouldn't have to do that.. I've put close to an extra $7,000 into this thing, thus raising the overall cost of my JKUS to over $40k... Huh? For a Jeep? You can have a nice done-up F-150 for that cost and have Ford quality to boot!

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