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Old 02-18-2013, 03:28 PM   #61
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That's the thing: You have to option-out these vehicles with aftermarket parts when you really shouldn't have to do that.. I've put close to an extra $7,000 into this thing, thus raising the overall cost of my JKUS to over $40k... Huh? For a Jeep? You can have a nice done-up F-150 for that cost and have Ford quality to boot!
Ok so if the JK were to come from the factory with all this would you be willing to pay 45K+ with the markup for the extra parts put into the jeep? I dont, I would rather modify the jeep the way I want it to be.

Jeeps are built to be stock, they do not make any improvement because someone will be putting a larger tire the tailgate. And the JK is far more upgrade ready than the yj's or tj's ever where.

And to your original post I fit a 35" with 4.5" backspacing on the tailgate, and as for the durability I do not know as it has only been on for about 2 weeks, but I do plan on getting the TF HD hinge in a couple of months.

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Old 02-18-2013, 04:45 PM   #62
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Ok so if the JK were to come from the factory with all this would you be willing to pay 45K+ with the markup for the extra parts put into the jeep? I dont, I would rather modify the jeep the way I want it to be.

Jeeps are built to be stock, they do not make any improvement because someone will be putting a larger tire the tailgate. And the JK is far more upgrade ready than the yj's or tj's ever where.

And to your original post I fit a 35" with 4.5" backspacing on the tailgate, and as for the durability I do not know as it has only been on for about 2 weeks, but I do plan on getting the TF HD hinge in a couple of months.
I agree with you...we should be able to mod what we want, but there should be more options from the factory...and yes, for that kind of customization, I would understandably pay more...

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Old 02-18-2013, 05:09 PM   #63
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I just upgraded to 35" tires and of course my spare would not fit since I have stock wheels. My new setup, 35x12.50x17 Fierce Attitude M/T that weigh in at 85 lbs on the stock wheel. I added a Warrior products spare extension, flipped my third brake light and I'm good to go.





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Old 04-22-2013, 08:33 PM   #64
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Several cracks have appeared on the inside face of the tailgate of my 2012 Jeep Wrangler Sport at 32,000 miles, the last 27,000 of which have been accumulated since I fit 33-inch tires and new wheels.

The cracks are located above and below the limiting strap on the hinge side on the inside face of the tailgate. Starburst cracks radiate from two spot welds below the strap and circular "punch-out" cracks appear along the top at three or four spot welds. A loud pop and creak sound comes from the cracked area on rough concrete freeways, drainage dips and washboard roads, but all is quiet on most smooth roads.

I tend to doubt the 50-lb limit mentioned earlier in this thread. Why? The 29-inch rim protectors that came on my stripped JK Wrangler Sport weigh 49.5 pounds apiece (I checked two Decembers ago when I made the switch), and any useful upgrade, including many sold by Jeep itself, will weigh more than 50 pounds.

Consider the 10th anniversary Rubicon. It comes with 265/70R17 (approx 32-in) BFG Mud Terrain KM2 tires and 17 x 7.5-inch wheels from the factory, so one would assume the tailgate structure is up for the mass of those. This setup has to weight something like 80 pounds.

Where do I get that? My tires are 285/70R17 BFG Mud Terrain KM2 tires, the same tires in the next size up. They measure just shy of 33 inches. The wheels are 17 x 8.5-inch Mopar catalog units (made by AEV), so my setup can't be more than 8 or 10 pounds heavier than the factory tires and wheels that come on a 10th anniversary Rubie. For the record, I weighed one of my Jeep's mounted assembly on a bathroom scale: 91.4 pounds.

If the 10th-anniversary Rubicon is in the clear, it seems the Mason-Dixon line for cracks stands between the two setups. Or maybe the 10th-anniversary Rubicon is in for it, too. That Jeep's setup weighs more than 50 pounds for certain, and not by just a pound or so.

For my part I never thought mere 33-inch tires would trigger the need for a rear bumper upgrade and a swing-away tire carrier. The 3rd brake light is tall enough to clear them easily, which says to me the designers accounted for this sort of modest upgrade. But that's the boat I find myself in.

BTW I do go off road, my JK does have a 3-inch lift (a Mopar one), and there is more than a little washboard in southern California desert areas.
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I'd get this if you want to keep your stock bumper:

http://www.teraflex.biz/teraflex-jk-...nting-kit.html
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Several cracks have appeared on the inside face of the tailgate of my 2012 Jeep Wrangler Sport at 32,000 miles, the last 27,000 of which have been accumulated since I fit 33-inch tires and new wheels.

The cracks are located above and below the limiting strap on the hinge side on the inside face of the tailgate. Starburst cracks radiate from two spot welds below the strap and circular "punch-out" cracks appear along the top at three or four spot welds. A loud pop and creak sound comes from the cracked area on rough concrete freeways, drainage dips and washboard roads, but all is quiet on most smooth roads.

I tend to doubt the 50-lb limit mentioned earlier in this thread. Why? The 29-inch rim protectors that came on my stripped JK Wrangler Sport weigh 49.5 pounds apiece (I checked two Decembers ago when I made the switch), and any useful upgrade, including many sold by Jeep itself, will weigh more than 50 pounds.

Consider the 10th anniversary Rubicon. It comes with 265/70R17 (approx 32-in) BFG Mud Terrain KM2 tires and 17 x 7.5-inch wheels from the factory, so one would assume the tailgate structure is up for the mass of those. This setup has to weight something like 80 pounds.

Where do I get that? My tires are 285/70R17 BFG Mud Terrain KM2 tires, the same tires in the next size up. They measure just shy of 33 inches. The wheels are 17 x 8.5-inch Mopar catalog units (made by AEV), so my setup can't be more than 8 or 10 pounds heavier than the factory tires and wheels that come on a 10th anniversary Rubie. For the record, I weighed one of my Jeep's mounted assembly on a bathroom scale: 91.4 pounds.

If the 10th-anniversary Rubicon is in the clear, it seems the Mason-Dixon line for cracks stands between the two setups. Or maybe the 10th-anniversary Rubicon is in for it, too. That Jeep's setup weighs more than 50 pounds for certain, and not by just a pound or so.

For my part I never thought mere 33-inch tires would trigger the need for a rear bumper upgrade and a swing-away tire carrier. The 3rd brake light is tall enough to clear them easily, which says to me the designers accounted for this sort of modest upgrade. But that's the boat I find myself in.

BTW I do go off road, my JK does have a 3-inch lift (a Mopar one), and there is more than a little washboard in southern California desert areas.

any chance for some photos of the cracks? thanks jeff
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Coming soon. Waiting for a blog post to go live so I can paste in a link to hosted photos.
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I'd get this if you want to keep your stock bumper:

| TeraFlex Suspensions
Awesome, but pricey. Maybe I'll do the bumper upgrade.
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Here are some pictures of my cracks. The first are easy to spot.



The other 4 are more subtle. The four closest spot welds along the top edge are "punched out." The cracks are circular along the rim of the welds themselves.



I wonder if the 10th-anniversary Rubicon has a reinforced tailgate. Those are the same BFG KM2s I have, but one size smaller. That mounted setup won't be a whole lot lighter than what created these cracks -- 285/70R17 KM2 tires that are 32.7 inches in diameter. Rubie-10 KM2s are 265/70R17 ~ 31.6 inches.
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I'm working on a build to handle 35s. As I want new bumpers anyways, I'm getting a new rear with a tire carrier for the 35 just to err on the side of caution.

Just look at it as an excuse to upgrade from the crappy rear bumper.

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Here are some pictures of my cracks. The first are easy to spot.



The other 4 are more subtle. The four closest spot welds along the top edge are "punched out." The cracks are circular along the rim of the welds themselves.



I wonder if the 10th-anniversary Rubicon has a reinforced tailgate. Those are the same BFG KM2s I have, but one size smaller. That mounted setup won't be a whole lot lighter than what created these cracks -- 285/70R17 KM2 tires that are 32.7 inches in diameter. Rubie-10 KM2s are 265/70R17 ~ 31.6 inches.
Your spare make contact with the bump stops?

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