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Old 08-15-2010, 12:46 PM   #1
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Stuck in 4L

I just bought an 08' Unlimited Rubicon with 17k miles and yesterday I put the wrangler in 4L and did some off roading. Well when I went to put the car back into 2H the lever moves freely. Well I read on another forum that there is a plastic retaining clip that holds the cable that breaks easily and there is an easy fix using zip ties. I have no idea where it is located if someone could help me out or pictures that would be great. As they haven't activated my account over there yet so I can view the pictures.

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:26 PM   #2
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Here's what you broke:




Part Number: 68064273AA

It's located under the Driver's Side. You may have to remove a skid plate, if it's on there.






Buy a few of those Bushings, and keep them in your glovebox for future Emergencies!

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any idea what this zip tie mod is ? I just need to fix it today so I can use my trailer and get to work tomorrow.

I found it without taking the plate off and the little plastic piece fell out.
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Old 08-15-2010, 01:42 PM   #4
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Hope these pics help. They're all I could find on the web.




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Thank you that helps so so much.
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I mean, com'on..... for a $20K+ machine that's been made in the US since 1941, you'd "THINK", that the designers would use something more substantial than a simple piece of breakable plastic, especially for a Transfer Case part, wouldn't ya?

FYI, I've read where others are drilling a small hole through the Metal Pin that the Bushing snaps onto, and locking it in with a Cotter Pin, rather than keep replacing the Bushing. Also, others are using the Bushing AND... using the Zip Tie method as a backup together.

Hope you get it fixed!

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:56 PM   #7
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The reason for the plastic bushing is that people have a tendency to "force" the transfer case in, instead of letting the gears mesh and take themselves in. The result was a major TC overhaul. Now if you "force" it, you break the bushing.
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The reason for the plastic bushing is that people have a tendency to "force" the transfer case in, instead of letting the gears mesh and take themselves in. The result was a major TC overhaul. Now if you "force" it, you break the bushing.
AAAHHHHHH! So there "IS" a method to their madness! Makes sense!

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Old 08-15-2010, 02:50 PM   #9
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The JKU Rubi xfer case uses a different type of lever configuration (at the Case), but still uses that same plastic bushing and the lever is reachable without removing the skid plate, but

It gets real hot down there so-let it cool first

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before you replace anything, try rolling backwards while you attempt to disengage 4lo. this trick also helps during engagement
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GD is right, a lot of times my xter case just "eases" into 4hi/4lo, by just putting into reverse (auto) and it's there

A good point is when you go off-road 90% of the time (dirt/gravel) roads, while the going is easy, put the xfer case in 4hi, it's no problem and it'll start to loosen things up--

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Good to learn about this issue now. Might go grab a few of those bushings.

Shifting in and out of 4L has been a bit touchy in my 2010 rubi. So far I have learned that rolling real slow,drop tranny into neutral then shift into 4L does the best but I still doesn't always want to go without a little force and sometimes a little grinding noise. My buddies 2010 rubi is the same way. Not very consistant. I hope it loosens up over time.

What is this about shifting into 4L with the tranny in reverse? Is that ok to do? I was having trouble getting it out of 4L one time out on the trail and I couldn't get it to go so I tried putting it in drive to roll forward some and it was not a good result. 4hi shifts like a dream. Still learning the best method for 4L.
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no. tranny must be in No Gear. get up an incline. stop. trans in No Gear. TC in no gear. easy the brakes to roll backwards, while you shift to 4lo. the idea is getting those gears to line up a different way by turning them backwards.

same 1-2mph rule applies. you'll grind em' if you go too fast.
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I've always shifted my '08 JKU into 4hi---at low spd and Neutral, but several times --


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Good to learn about this issue now. Might go grab a few of those bushings.

Shifting in and out of 4L has been a bit touchy in my 2010 rubi. So far I have learned that rolling real slow,drop tranny into neutral then shift into 4L does the best but I still doesn't always want to go without a little force and sometimes a little grinding noise. My buddies 2010 rubi is the same way. Not very consistant. I hope it loosens up over time.

What is this about shifting into 4L with the tranny in reverse? Is that ok to do? I was having trouble getting it out of 4L one time out on the trail and I couldn't get it to go so I tried putting it in drive to roll forward some and it was not a good result. 4hi shifts like a dream. Still learning the best method for 4L.
I've backed out of my garage into snow/hill and idling in reverse--BAM-into 4hi and eased into 4lo

Once you're in 4hi, low spd "N" and easing into 4lo USUALLY is very easy, but 4hi first, then push lever to the right and light pressure back, for 4lo !!

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no. tranny must be in No Gear. get up an incline. stop. trans in No Gear. TC in no gear. easy the brakes to roll backwards, while you shift to 4lo. the idea is getting those gears to line up a different way by turning them backwards.

same 1-2mph rule applies. you'll grind em' if you go too fast.
Thanks for the tip boss. The manual is not all that clear but it says not to pause in neutral with the tcase. So I try to do it quickly. At first I was trying to do it on flat ground thinking I didn't want to shift while the gears were holding the weight of the jeep. Then I started looking for slight downhill grades so I could roll forward into it. I will try the hill idea like you suggest and give it a try. Should be easier to control that way.
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I've always shifted my '08 JKU into 4hi---at low spd and Neutral, but several times --




I've backed out of my garage into snow/hill and idling in reverse--BAM-into 4hi and eased into 4lo

Once you're in 4hi, low spd "N" and easing into 4lo USUALLY is very easy, but 4hi first, then push lever to the right and light pressure back, for 4lo !!

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You know it seems most of the time I was trying to go from 2hi all the way to 4L. 4hi goes in real easy. It would probably be easier to pop it into 4hi first. Then the axles are in time and dropping to 4L should be easier. I'm gonna go play with my jeep.
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You know it seems most of the time I was trying to go from 2hi all the way to 4L. 4hi goes in real easy. It would probably be easier to pop it into 4hi first. Then the axles are in time and dropping to 4L should be easier. I'm gonna go play with my jeep.
It's just like opening the slide on a 1911 semi-pistol--

Cockit first-then the slide moves easier !!

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Thanks for the tip boss. The manual is not all that clear but it says not to pause in neutral with the tcase. So I try to do it quickly. At first I was trying to do it on flat ground thinking I didn't want to shift while the gears were holding the weight of the jeep. Then I started looking for slight downhill grades so I could roll forward into it. I will try the hill idea like you suggest and give it a try. Should be easier to control that way.
What he was telling you was that the TRANSMISSION should be in neutral not the TC. Read your manual and follow the instructions. It is very clear. It's no different than shifting a manual without a clutch. Let the gears "take" it in as opposed to pushing it in.
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What he was telling you was that the TRANSMISSION should be in neutral not the TC. Read your manual and follow the instructions. It is very clear. It's no different than shifting a manual without a clutch. Let the gears "take" it in as opposed to pushing it in.
He said the tcase in "no gear" as well as the tranny in "no gear" so I assumed he meant neutral. Following the intructions in the manual to the T just flat does not work smoothly. Even the "brochure" (lets not call it a manual) says it can be done up to 1-2 mph or something to that effect. So I take it that means from a stop or up to 1-2 mph. Either way it is more about feeling it out then trying to follow the "brochure". I have had mixed results at a stop and with a roll. It is just picky and you have to feel it out. Something I'm going to have to learn. I have had many many rigs with a 4L and never had to use them because I never got into anything 4hi wouldn't work for. With the jeep I'm looking for reasons to use 4L.
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It's just like opening the slide on a 1911 semi-pistol--

Cockit first-then the slide moves easier !!

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That looks nearly identical to my 1911. Mine is kind of a safe queen now. I don't shoot it much lately. Been hooked on the springfield XD line. I concealed carry a sub compact xd40. In the jeep in town I carry a full size bitone XDM 40. The jeep gun steps up to the s&w 460v for the woods. Just now breaking in the new hi cap XDM .45 also in bitone. I like guns just a little.
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you're correct. no gear=neutral.

my first vehicle was a stick and my dad always referred to neutral as "taking it out of gear." so I was like "N stands for No Gear" and it just kinda stuck 14 years later.
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you're correct. no gear=neutral.

my first vehicle was a stick and my dad always referred to neutral as "taking it out of gear." so I was like "N stands for No Gear" and it just kinda stuck 14 years later.
I got you. Dag saw it another way. Long story short I just have to play with it more and see what works best. I think it is just a feel it out thing to get them gears to mesh the smoothest. I'll get her before long.
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Just remember, these are not like the OLD XFER cases, where you just manually shoved the lever into "CRUNCH" gear !



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I got you. Dag saw it another way. Long story short I just have to play with it more and see what works best. I think it is just a feel it out thing to get them gears to mesh the smoothest. I'll get her before long.
These have to "Talked" into gear (easy), like your first Cherry pop ()

You should be able to slip the lever into 4hi/4lo with just finger pressure !!

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Just remember, these are not like the OLD XFER cases, where you just manually shoved the lever into "CRUNCH" gear !





These have to "Talked" into gear (easy), like your first Cherry pop ()

You should be able to slip the lever into 4hi/4lo with just finger pressure !!

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Hey that first pop wasn't that easy now.

That is what I'm after for shifting it. I am gonna play with it some more to get the feel. I have three weekends in a row planned for the woods so I should be a master after that.
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Here's another way to think of it. Apply steady gentile pressure until it slides in. 4 hi works at just about any speed, while 4 lo is best while barely rolling.

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