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Old 08-14-2012, 09:09 PM   #1
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Stupid a$$ death wobble

I am so damn annoyed.... I can't really afford my stock 2009 Jeep but needed a vehicle to commute to work and I have always wanted a Jeep.

This damn thing in less than four months and its giving me a death wobble already about 7 times. I am not a mechanic by any means but was able to make sure the trackbar was torqued to 125 due to help on the forums.

Sorry I guess I just need to vent... not really sure how to fix this and definitely can't afford to send it to the shop. Maybe a Jeep wasn't such a good idea lol..

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Review this thread: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dia...les-78034.html

It also lists a detailed inspection how to for inspecting the front suspension and steering.

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I have an 07 that I bought used and it had horrible death wobble! New tires and a dual steering stabilizer stopped it-haven't had any issues in over 8 months!
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mine is an 07, purchased used...the DW happened to me also, and I took it to them....mind you, i did not buy the extended warrenty...come to find out, one of the service bulletins was not complete..which was replacing the steering dampener with a beefier one...fixed my problem...hasnt happened since....maybe this helps!
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I have an 08 JKU .. experienced the death wobble a couple of months ago .. totally stock.. steering damper fixed it .. they have a heavier duty one for it now .. good luck ...it is very scary when it happens.
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You guys need to understand what true DW is.
If the steering shock fixed it, good chance it was not DW.

OP, you have to remember. If you experienced true DW, other components were probably affected by it. So torquing the TB would only be a temp fix.

Look for the Vid Planman posted.
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My neighbor had this on his stock '08 JKU. The track bar bolt holes on the frame and axle were enlarged and the bushing sleeves were worn as well. He has a friend at a machine shop. They installed new bushings and found bolts with a long non-threaded portion that fit very snug in the bushings. Then they fabricated some steel plates and matched the bushing holes. After welding them them over the enlarged factory holes they cut the excess length off of the bolts and theaded them just enough to properly install the track bar and properly torque the bolts. It solved his problem.
Does anyone know a a bolt kit that has a non-threaded portion that can be installed so to avoid wear on the factory holes or is it just easier to peice together the parts.
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My neighbor had this on his stock '08 JKU. The track bar bolt holes on the frame and axle were enlarged and the bushing sleeves were worn as well. He has a friend at a machine shop. They installed new bushings and found bolts with a long non-threaded portion that fit very snug in the bushings. Then they fabricated some steel plates and matched the bushing holes. After welding them them over the enlarged factory holes they cut the excess length off of the bolts and theaded them just enough to properly install the track bar and properly torque the bolts. It solved his problem.
Does anyone know a a bolt kit that has a non-threaded portion that can be installed so to avoid wear on the factory holes or is it just easier to peice together the parts.
Look at the sticky's
There is a thread replacing those bolts to bigger/shouldered bolts
Synergy f911 kit I believe

Many manufacturers make brackets that solve that problem also.
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Thanks .

( I also appreciate not slamming me for the forum mistake... not looking first )
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Thanks .

( I also appreciate not slamming me for the forum mistake... not looking first )
No need
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You guys need to understand what true DW is.
If the steering shock fixed it, good chance it was not DW.

OP, you have to remember. If you experienced true DW, other components were probably affected by it. So torquing the TB would only be a temp fix.

Look for the Vid Planman posted.
It was a true DW ( can't steer / have to pull off the side of the road and stop / teeth jittering shake etc.. )

It has happened multiple times now. I am trying to fix it but funds are tight and I have to drive. I am guess at the least I will need a new TBAR. I am going to remove it this weekend I guess to make sure the bushings aren't all to hell.

I looked at the stickies and will keep working on it... I hope other components are screwed all to hell.


I guess I just wanted to VENT lol... I can't afford new components, I need it to drive, the more I drive the more I will break. I wasn't expecting this 4 months from purchase.

Thankfully I have resources like this forum to help me out. I will give it my best shot.
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It was a true DW ( can't steer / have to pull off the side of the road and stop / teeth jittering shake etc.. )

It has happened multiple times now. I am trying to fix it but funds are tight and I have to drive. I am guess at the least I will need a new TBAR. I am going to remove it this weekend I guess to make sure the bushings aren't all to hell.

I looked at the stickies and will keep working on it... I hope other components are screwed all to hell.

I guess I just wanted to VENT lol... I can't afford new components, I need it to drive, the more I drive the more I will break. I wasn't expecting this 4 months from purchase.

Thankfully I have resources like this forum to help me out. I will give it my best shot.
Good luck, I wasn't referring to you. A lot of people post about replacing the SS and curing DW.

They say a very high percentage of DW is trackbar related, whether it be the bushings/holes/bolts/bracket.

The entire front end violently shakes and can cause other components to fail.

Vibrations will lead to DW if not fixed. Poor alignment will lead to DW if not fixed. Unbalanced tires will.... You get the point.

It's a chain reaction

Look at/fix any TB issues and go front there.

Tires (balance/out of round/psi)
alignment
TRE's
Drag link's turnbuckle sleeve
Control arm bushings
Unit bearings
Ball joints
Steering box

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I know you said your jeep is stock, but since you bought it used, are you 100% sure it's stock? From what I understand about Death Wobble, it's unusual for a stock vehicle to have it. Not impossible, of course, but unusual.

Also, since you said you've experienced it it seven times in four months, my guess is you've damaged quite a few other parts and will need to repair/replace them.

If you know when your vehicle was first put into service, you may have the balance of your factory warranty available (3/36), as long as it is 100% stock. If you're out of warranty, it's possible the dealer you purchased it from would be willing to help you out.

Otherwise, you can start saving your pennies to replace all the busted/worn parts referenced in the helpful threads to try and resolve the issue.

In the mean time, if you can isolate the roads where the DW occurs, maybe you can alter your routes/driving habits until you can resolve the issue.

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your location may help also as some members are willing to help out with wrenching on occasion
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I'm ordering the new Bolt kit for my 2011 JK, a friend is asking if the 2012 also could use the larger bolts..
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I'm ordering the new Bolt kit for my 2011 JK, a friend is asking if the 2012 also could use the larger bolts..
Yes.
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I realize not the same vehicle but I have a 2003 TJ that was having death wobble issues. Took it to be aligned and wheels balanced and asked them to see if they found anything else that was a issue. The mechanic said all was good. When I got the jeep back the wobble was better but still around. I put on a new steering stabilizer and nothing since then.
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Patience. Only thru constant education will folks learn that a faulty stabilzer doesn't cause DW. And replacing the stabilizer doesn't fix DW, it only masks the cause.
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I realize not the same vehicle but I have a 2003 TJ that was having death wobble issues. Took it to be aligned and wheels balanced and asked them to see if they found anything else that was a issue. The mechanic said all was good. When I got the jeep back the wobble was better but still around. I put on a new steering stabilizer and nothing since then.
Everything I have read says a steering stabilizer only masked the issue..... but I am no expert by any means.
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Patience. Only thru constant education will folks learn that a faulty stabilzer doesn't cause DW. And replacing the stabilizer doesn't fix DW, it only masks the cause.
Unless its spelled out only 2 post beforehand lol
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I had the dreaded DW last year on my 2007 Rubi---the damdest thing I ever experienced. I had the back of the jeep full of camping gear an hit a rumble strip in the road which started it... It shook violently, fealt like the front wheels were comming off with very loose lug bolts, or the disconnect sway bar came unconnected......I think it even activated the auto breaking to the wheels....until I got it to the side of the road.....it puzzled me for weeks until I read about the DW
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I had the dreaded DW last year on my 2007 Rubi---the damdest thing I ever experienced. I had the back of the jeep full of camping gear an hit a rumble strip in the road which started it... It shook violently, fealt like the front wheels were comming off with very loose lug bolts, or the disconnect sway bar came unconnected......I think it even activated the auto breaking to the wheels....until I got it to the side of the road.....it puzzled me for weeks until I read about the DW
Thankful I've never experienced it (KOW)

Continuing to drive is probably the worst thing anybody could do.
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have not expeirenced DW on our 08 JK yet , but i did have it happen to me in my 68 Bronco scarey as hell ! it took me 1/2 year to figure it out , the stearing box bolts were loose , tightened em up and problem was solved
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I do feel a KNOCK when I turn the steering wheel from side to side... Also in my gas pedal when I turn the wheel... but I've had that since week 1
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have not expeirenced DW on our 08 JK yet , but i did have it happen to me in my 68 Bronco scarey as hell ! it took me 1/2 year to figure it out , the stearing box bolts were loose , tightened em up and problem was solved
I can only imagine the scariness, but your comment reinforces the point that DW is caused by a loose or worn part. And you didn't "fix" it by installing a new steering stabilizer.

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I do feel a KNOCK when I turn the steering wheel from side to side... Also in my gas pedal when I turn the wheel... but I've had that since week 1
Maybe you are experiencing the infamous lack of lube in the intermediate steering shaft.
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Death wobble has just about worn me out. I've gone through planman's list, and I only have 5K miles on the Jeep and found no issues. It's a Mopar 2" lift installed by the dealer and I even had the grade 9 bolts installed. The original dealer found no problems either.

I took it to a different dealer and they said the trackbar from the Mopar lift wasn't installed correctly, but it is still in the shop I don't have details yet. I truly hope they fix it because it makes me super sad to have to consider giving up the Jeep.

Based on the sheer volumes of complaints about this, and my horrible experience, I have decided on the heretical notion that Jeep should switch to independent front suspension. Articulation is not worth having death wobble. I looked at Land Rover forums and they have the same issues with death wobble and it really is inherent to a solid front axel (though maybe Jeep could do some engineering magic to make it far less likely to happen).

Sigh.
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Death wobble has just about worn me out. I've gone through planman's list, and I only have 5K miles on the Jeep and found no issues. It's a Mopar 2" lift installed by the dealer and I even had the grade 9 bolts installed. The original dealer found no problems either.

I took it to a different dealer and they said the trackbar from the Mopar lift wasn't installed correctly, but it is still in the shop I don't have details yet. I truly hope they fix it because it makes me super sad to have to consider giving up the Jeep.

Based on the sheer volumes of complaints about this, and my horrible experience, I have decided on the heretical notion that Jeep should switch to independent front suspension. Articulation is not worth having death wobble. I looked at Land Rover forums and they have the same issues with death wobble and it really is inherent to a solid front axel (though maybe Jeep could do some engineering magic to make it far less likely to happen).

Sigh.

You altered your suspension, incorrectly on top of that, and think Jeep should switch to IFS? Try lifting your IFS and see how that works out for you, $$$$!

I'm sick and tired of hearing people gripe after getting bad lift jobs.

OP, your Jeep may be stock right now, bit that doesn't mean it was before you bought it. That steering knock that you ignored on week one of your ownership probably started your downhill slide, but of course that must be Chrysler's fault so let's switch to IFS! Did you ever wonder why someone was getting rid of that Jeep? If you buy used you had better be prepared, and have the funds available, to make any necessary repairs.
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You altered your suspension, incorrectly on top of that, and think Jeep should switch to IFS? Try lifting your IFS and see how that works out for you, $$$$!

I'm sick and tired of hearing people gripe after getting bad lift jobs.

OP, your Jeep may be stock right now, bit that doesn't mean it was before you bought it. That steering knock that you ignored on week one of your ownership probably started your downhill slide, but of course that must be Chrysler's fault so let's switch to IFS! Did you ever wonder why someone was getting rid of that Jeep? If you buy used you had better be prepared, and have the funds available, to make any necessary repairs.
Agreed. I bought my 07 used about 1 1/2 yrs ago and started having the "wobble" I end up replacing all 4 ball joints, installed front lower adjustable control arms and a front adjustable track bar. My issue was taken care of. Not saying that is YOUR issue, but it was mine. Just something to deal with when buying used, regardless of if its a Jeep or anything else.
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Death wobble happens far too easily and often. I only have 5K miles and a simple Mopar 2" lift installed at a reputable dealer - how do you mess that up? All the bolts were at 125 ft/lbs. Anyway, hopefully they fix it and I'll let you know what they say is the cause. I hope it is something simple like a defective bushing in the trackbar - I want to be able to rely on my Jeep.

But if not IFS, can Jeep engineer the trackbar mounts out closer to the wheels perhaps, or use beefier components, to reduce the possibility of DW? It's 2012 after all!

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