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Old 04-27-2013, 07:02 PM   #1
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Stupid noob Sunrider question

Folded back the front part of the Sunrider today for the first time. It was awesome until I hit about 50mph and the thing started turning into a sail. How do you stop the wind catching the folded back portion of the roof and inflating it?

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First thing is when you fold it back, fold it back like a "W". When done right, the top will be behind you, not over your head. Then you would use the supplied Velcro straps and wrap one on each side of the sunrider top frame so it doesn't flip up on ya. Then as a precaution, I unzip the back window a little bit so air flows through the jeep. If this helps ya

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This is what it should look like.


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The first pic is the top in the proper position, the second shot is how I use the Velcro straps. Never had a problem.
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First thing is when you fold it back, fold it back like a "W". When done right, the top will be behind you, not over your head. Then you would use the supplied Velcro straps and wrap one on each side of the sunrider top frame so it doesn't flip up on ya. Then as a precaution, I unzip the back window a little bit so air flows through the jeep. If this helps ya
^Yup. You pull as much fabric rearward as possible. Don't leave a large flap of fabric sagging into the cabin--pull everything back.
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Cool, thanks. Will give this a try tomorrow.
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OK, so I officially hate the Sunrider. It's ugly and noisy and clumsy. What's a good replacement that provides me with two stage opening like the Sunrider, but looks better and doesn't leave big lumps of fabric to do their own thing on the highway?
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OK, so I officially hate the Sunrider. It's ugly and noisy and clumsy. What's a good replacement that provides me with two stage opening like the Sunrider, but looks better and doesn't leave big lumps of fabric to do their own thing on the highway?
If "big lumps" of fabric are "doing their own thing" in the highway, you're doing it wrong.

I have no lumps doing their own thing. Ever.

Start posting some pictures of what's wrong.

Take a look at the TrekTop NX and the Offroad Heros top, but the reality is the factory top is one of the best, if not the best.
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So that's what those Velcro straps are for...
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I'm considering the purchase of a soft top for my JK and have a question about the windows. If you are folding the top all the way back, do you leave the side and rear windows in, or are you supposed to unzip and stow them separately?
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OK, so I officially hate the Sunrider. It's ugly and noisy and clumsy. What's a good replacement that provides me with two stage opening like the Sunrider, but looks better and doesn't leave big lumps of fabric to do their own thing on the highway?
Do you have a 2 or 4 door?
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Unzip and stow. Many options for that- Cloverpatch, Bestop, towels etc.
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I'm considering the purchase of a soft top for my JK and have a question about the windows. If you are folding the top all the way back, do you leave the side and rear windows in, or are you supposed to unzip and stow them separately?
Take them out!!
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Do you have a 2 or 4 door?
2 door for me.
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Here is my 4 door in sunrider:
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Here is my 4 door in sunrider:
Yeah, that's what mine looks like until I actually drive somewhere. Then I get some pointing up, some pointing down, a lot of noise and a lot of air being scooped up and either used as an airbrake or deflected back into the cabin. I'll take a picture when I next put it back.
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Do you have a 2 or 4 door?
4 door.
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Ah- that might be it- more fabric. I noticed two things:
Try only having one center fold. If you look at J. Chester's pics he only has one center fold- you have two. I stick my arm back in there and make as big/tight a pocket as I can. The one time I got lazy and just flopped it back without tucking tightly it flopped up like a sail.
Does your hardware/surround not fold flat back? It looks like it sits at an (up) angle. On my 2 door my Sunrider sort of tucks into the divet in front of the soundbar when open. The weight of the front latch section holds the fabric down. I can see where yours, from the upright angle- would lift.
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Maybe it's just me but I won't go sunrider mode for the highway. Even folded correctly I see it as too much drag (since it sticks up above the "normal" roof line)and potential problems at higher speeds. I go full top up or down when I will be going 50mph for any extended time.

Heck I see people doing sunrider mode with their back and side rear windows in. The back of the soft top looks like its puffed up. That can't be good long term.
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I posted mine to show the differences between a 2 door and 4 door sunrider.

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Try only having one center fold. If you look at J. Chester's pics he only has one center fold- you have two.
The 4 door does not work that way. The softop is connected to the frame at that point.
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Does your hardware/surround not fold flat back? It looks like it sits at an (up) angle.
Another difference between the 2 and 4 door. It does not fold down flat. On the far side you can barely see the hinge, it has plastic on each side that keeps it in this position.

I have had mine up to highway speed without any issues, it was windy, but not anything crazy and it did not parachute. It was noisy as I could hear it. I am paranoid that it will parachute, so I will most likely go full top down when I know I am going to be at highway speed for longer periods of time.

If its doing it all the time then I would think you should have the dealer check it out.
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Mine's an '08 4DR. Never had a problem like that with my Sunrider, but I use the straps and make sure they're fairly tight. Yeah, it's noisy and windy, just like a Jeep should be!
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This is what it should look like.

The first pic is the top in the proper position, the second shot is how I use the Velcro straps. Never had a problem.
Or this...
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I've been folding it back like a V from day one...just undo the sun visors, undo the clips and fold it back...all the from the driver's seat. Never thought about folding it, might take a bit more effort doing that from the driver's seat. I'm guessing it prevents the drooping.

I never had any issues with it coming up like a sail, though. The only thing that's annoying is the metal windshield clips flap and bang around in the wind, making a lot of noise. Any solution for that?
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Here is my 4 door in sunrider:
Mine looks like that. Seems people have trouble understanding how to push the fabric to the back portion of the frame. I take mine up to 80 with no noise or flapping.
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In the manual it cautions that the rear window should be removed (or rolled up) if traveling over 40MPH. It's amazing what you can actually learn by reading your manual. I'm not trying to sound snarky, but many people have problems that wouldn't be problems with a little reading. I hope this helps.
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It doesn't matter how I fold the Sunrider top on my '13 JKUR...it still droops down into the cabin somewhat and the upper flap sometimes gets caught by wind. I put a Sunrider top on my '03 a couple of years ago and there was a strap in the center that went from the roll bar and clipped onto the Sunrider header. No drooping or flapping.

So I created something similar for the new Jeep out of Velcro. I wrapped two Velcro straps around the roll bar and put a couple of pieces of high-temp adhesive Velcro on the Sunrider header. Velcro straps go from the roll bar to the header. (See photos)

I already had the different types of Velcro sitting around...it's as indispensible as duct tape. Parts included:

Roll Bar: Velcro One-Wrap 23" x 7/8"
Header: 3M Dual Lock TB3560 w/high-temp adhesive
Connecting Strap: Velcro One-Wrap 1.5" wide

The roll bar straps are not removed. The connecting straps live in a molle pouch on the back of the seat. Just fold the top back and attach the connecting straps. This has eliminated sagging and the windsail effect for me.
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It doesn't matter how I fold the Sunrider top on my '13 JKUR...it still droops down into the cabin somewhat and the upper flap sometimes gets caught by wind. I put a Sunrider top on my '03 a couple of years ago and there was a strap in the center that went from the roll bar and clipped onto the Sunrider header. No drooping or flapping.

So I created something similar for the new Jeep out of Velcro. I wrapped two Velcro straps around the roll bar and put a couple of pieces of high-temp adhesive Velcro on the Sunrider header. Velcro straps go from the roll bar to the header. (See photos)

I already had the different types of Velcro sitting around...it's as indispensible as duct tape. Parts included:

Roll Bar: Velcro One-Wrap 23" x 7/8"
Header: 3M Dual Lock TB3560 w/high-temp adhesive
Connecting Strap: Velcro One-Wrap 1.5" wide

The roll bar straps are not removed. The connecting straps live in a molle pouch on the back of the seat. Just fold the top back and attach the connecting straps. This has eliminated sagging and the windsail effect for me.
You've exactly described my issue - part of it drooping down, and part sailing upwards. I'll try your velcro mod.
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It doesn't matter how I fold the Sunrider top on my '13 JKUR...it still droops down into the cabin somewhat and the upper flap sometimes gets caught by wind. I put a Sunrider top on my '03 a couple of years ago and there was a strap in the center that went from the roll bar and clipped onto the Sunrider header. No drooping or flapping.

So I created something similar for the new Jeep out of Velcro. I wrapped two Velcro straps around the roll bar and put a couple of pieces of high-temp adhesive Velcro on the Sunrider header. Velcro straps go from the roll bar to the header. (See photos)

I already had the different types of Velcro sitting around...it's as indispensible as duct tape. Parts included:

Roll Bar: Velcro One-Wrap 23" x 7/8"
Header: 3M Dual Lock TB3560 w/high-temp adhesive
Connecting Strap: Velcro One-Wrap 1.5" wide

The roll bar straps are not removed. The connecting straps live in a molle pouch on the back of the seat. Just fold the top back and attach the connecting straps. This has eliminated sagging and the windsail effect for me.
Hard to tell, but this doesn't look right to me. It looks like maybe you're not actually pulling the fabric out and back enough. Can you take a picture from the side?
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Hard to tell, but this doesn't look right to me. It looks like maybe you're not actually pulling the fabric out and back enough. Can you take a picture from the side?
I've pulled the fabric every which way...out, back, etc. It's a pain in the ass for one person to try and pull it back. Get one side done and it drops back down when you try to do the other side. With the velcro, I can fold the top back and not worry about trying to tweak the folds in the fabric...the velcro strap method takes 15 seconds to put in place and is very secure. Bestop included a center strap with the Sunrider I put on my TJ. They should have done the same on the newer tops.
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Tried a bunch of different configurations today. Essentially, the Sunrider is garbage at anything over about 40mph. Hopefully it will be better once I've tried Moabite's mods, otherwise I'm selling the POS and trying something else.
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It doesn't matter how I fold the Sunrider top on my '13 JKUR...it still droops down into the cabin somewhat and the upper flap sometimes gets caught by wind. I put a Sunrider top on my '03 a couple of years ago and there was a strap in the center that went from the roll bar and clipped onto the Sunrider header. No drooping or flapping.

So I created something similar for the new Jeep out of Velcro. I wrapped two Velcro straps around the roll bar and put a couple of pieces of high-temp adhesive Velcro on the Sunrider header. Velcro straps go from the roll bar to the header. (See photos)

I already had the different types of Velcro sitting around...it's as indispensible as duct tape. Parts included:

Roll Bar: Velcro One-Wrap 23" x 7/8"
Header: 3M Dual Lock TB3560 w/high-temp adhesive
Connecting Strap: Velcro One-Wrap 1.5" wide

The roll bar straps are not removed. The connecting straps live in a molle pouch on the back of the seat. Just fold the top back and attach the connecting straps. This has eliminated sagging and the windsail effect for me.
If you have a sag in the back (over rear seats) you're not pulling the fold out far enough away from the part that flips back. First time I did it I had a sag over the back seat, but then realized there was an entire section I hadn't pulled back to fold correctly. Since then it all lays nicely and there is zero sag, no sail effect, and it looks clean. It's also super easy for one person to do. I can get it all folded back and laying nicely in under 3 minutes.

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