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Old 11-29-2012, 05:25 PM   #1
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SUV rankings: Off road SUV, US news

I didn't read the entire ranking method but the Wrangler was 11th with the JGC and Compass ranked higher.

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Best Off-Road SUVs Rankings | U.S. News Best Cars

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I will ignore that article. They obviously aren't ranking them on actual off road ability but rather on road driveability. The Evoque in first. HA!

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Meh...

Only one vehicle on that list can drop the top and doors....
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Near as I can tell, it is definitely NOT a "Best Offroad SUV" analysis.

It's a "Best Overall Vehicle that Happens to have 4WD or Something Similar" analysis. The Wrangler ranked lower because of its basic interior, its road handling, etc.
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If you read the review of the FJCruiser on that article they pretty much say the Wrangler is a better choice. Yet somehow the FJ is ranked higher.
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Obviously, they didn't do any test drives. Probably a good thing, as they would've risked getting a DUI. I guess a lot of buyers agree, because I really can't recall seeing any Lexus or Mercedes off road (on purpose, anyway). As for the rest, whenever I can take the top or doors off of them without a sawzall, maybe I'll consider one. Nah, who am I kidding...
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They outlined their methodology in the article:

" This ranking is based on our analysis of 85 published reviews and test drives of the Jeep Wrangler, and our analysis of reliability and safety data."

Which means this is a statistical exercise engineered to make readers and advertisers happy. It is not a comparison test drive. From this article I deduce that Land Rover spends slightly more for advertising in whatever media company owns US News than does Jeep. Who mentions a Compass and a G-wagon in the same breath?

Having said that, I do find the Evoque strangely compelling. I could never bring myself to spend that much cash. But, I did like it much better than I expected when I test drove one while scouting used Discovery's.
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Agree with the list 100%. Read the breakdown. The performance of the Wrangler was 8.3, tied with the Land Cruiser, which is an offroad monster. As for an overall street legal vehicle, I think it was fair. The Land Rover is extremely capable...as are all their vehicles. The G wagon is also an offroad monster. The Lexus/Toyota Landcruiser is probably the best overall vehicle you can buy today.

The only vehicle out of place is the FJ. It is inferior to a wrangler in terms of performance and has a spartan interior as well.
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Obviously, they didn't do any test drives. Probably a good thing, as they would've risked getting a DUI. I guess a lot of buyers agree, because I really can't recall seeing any Lexus or Mercedes off road (on purpose, anyway). As for the rest, whenever I can take the top or doors off of them without a sawzall, maybe I'll consider one. Nah, who am I kidding...
You would be extremely surprised. Both the G Wagon and the Landcruiser/Lexus GX are some of the most capable and comfortable vehicles on the planet. Watch the Top Gear polar special, you'll have a new found respect for Toyota. There is a reason why they are the #1 vehicle for into the unknown expeditions.
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I guess it really boils down to what your idea of off road is.
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You would be extremely surprised. Both the G Wagon and the Landcruiser/Lexus GX are some of the most capable and comfortable vehicles on the planet.
they are the SUV of choice in the Middle East for desert bashing.
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they are the SUV of choice in the Middle East for desert bashing.
And jungle bashing in Africa, and polar exploration,

I love my Jeep and will never get rid of it, but cmon, give credit where credit is due.
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I guess it really boils down to what your idea of off road is.
I'd say driving to the North Pole is pretty offroad.
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Let me put it this way...driving to the north pole requires one to trust the vehicle with their life. There are two vehicles on the planet I would trust with my life...a JK and a Landcruiser. Nuff said.
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And jungle bashing in Africa, and polar exploration,

I love my Jeep and will never get rid of it, but cmon, give credit where credit is due.
Agree, give credit where credit is due. Unfortunately, Toyota receives too much.

The Land cruiser is not the best vehicle overall, having owned one for years with my wife. There are much better vehicles for sure. The new LC looks like a a morbidly obese highlander that just went on a donut binge.
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Agree, give credit where credit is due. Unfortunately, Toyota receives too much.

The Land cruiser is not the best vehicle overall, having owned one for years with my wife. There are much better vehicles for sure. The new LC looks like a a morbidly obese highlander that just went on a donut binge.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. The fact of the matter is, the current gen Landcruiser is still a monster offroad and is used all over the world for MAJOR expeditions, along with the Hilux. They are bulletproof (friend had one...the last model for almost 500K until some lady tboned him.) and are extremely comfortable. They can be modified into oblivion as well. I am probably going to get the wife one in the future, and keep the JK for myself. I will be unstoppable.

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Now, land rover, I will agree. They get entirely too much credit. They are amazing machines, WHEN they work, but they mostly spend their time offroad....on a lift at the dealer.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. The fact of the matter is, the current gen Landcruiser is still a monster offroad and is used all over the world for MAJOR expeditions, along with the Hilux.

That would be an opinion actually, not a fact. A fact would be stating some form of statistic or actual DATA to prove that it is indeed the BEST vehicle, which in of itself is a subjective term. You stating that it is the best does not make fact, but you are entitled to your own opinion....but don't state your opinion is fact.
The flame barrage came later than I was expecting....
My old land cruiser lasted 225K with routine maintenance. Granted I sold it before it grenaded, but I did throw some money into it despite a good maintenance schedule. Was it a poor vehicle? Absolutely not, it was a terrific vehicle, but let's not make a legend out of something that really does not deserve it.
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Now, land rover, I will agree. They get entirely too much credit. They are amazing machines, WHEN they work, but they mostly spend their time offroad....on a lift at the dealer.[/QUOTE]

Very nice. That's an impressive LC, but that is one HEAVILY modified LC. I could not agree more with you on land rove. Dear lord, you'd think they would wipe your butt with as much praise as they are given.
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Look at the rankings for 2012..

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...Wrangler/2012/

Mentions the best suv for the money. How does the 13 differ. Confused!!!
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That would be an opinion actually, not a fact. A fact would be stating some form of statistic or actual DATA to prove that it is indeed the BEST vehicle, which in of itself is a subjective term. You stating that it is the best does not make fact, but you are entitled to your own opinion....but don't state your opinion is fact.
The flame barrage came later than I was expecting....
My old land cruiser lasted 225K with routine maintenance. Granted I sold it before it grenaded, but I did throw some money into it despite a good maintenance schedule. Was it a poor vehicle? Absolutely not, it was a terrific vehicle, but let's not make a legend out of something that really does not deserve it.
I never said it was a fact that it was the best. I said I THOUGHT it was currently the best overall vehicle on the market today, all things considered. I would give the honor to a Range Rover if they were reliable. The FACT I was talking about is that landcruisers are used in almost any expedition of note, thats all I meant.
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Meh.. It tied for 2nd in actual performance. Didnt do so well in the all important interior category.
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Love the Land Cruiser but it is a bit big and heavy for trails here. I actually was looking for one when I found the V8 4Runner. It is essentially a small Land Cruiser and fantastic offroad except clearance needs to be increased. I still think the Defender V8 is in the top for offroad. From my experience, that may be the most reliable Land Rover, with the Discovery the least. I don't even look at sedans anymore.
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Love the Land Cruiser but it is a bit big and heavy for trails here. I actually was looking for one when I found the V8 4Runner. It is essentially a small Land Cruiser and fantastic offroad except clearance needs to be increased. I still think the Defender V8 is in the top for offroad. From my experience, that may be the most reliable Land Rover, with the Discovery the least. I don't even look at sedans anymore.
I think the Wrangler is every bit the offroader the Defender is, with superior electronics and superior service.
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Nothing really competes with the JK rubicon for straight offroad capability. Not the land cruiser, not anything by land rover, and not the G-wagon.

But what you guys are referring to is as an overland or expedition vehicle. Those don't necessarily need the best clearance, the most flex, or the most space for tires. They are looking at reliability, availability of parts, trail-fixability, expedition mod gear availability, and comfort.

Just slightly different demands. The best performer at an ORV park isn't necessarily the best performer crossing a desert.

Though . . . I still the the JKUR is probably about the best there's ever been. It's certainly among them: http://www.expeditionportal.com/reso...-vehicles.html
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This is a much better article about offroad capabilities.
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Nothing really competes with the JK rubicon for straight offroad capability. Not the land cruiser, not anything by land rover, and not the G-wagon.

But what you guys are referring to is as an overland or expedition vehicle. Those don't necessarily need the best clearance, the most flex, or the most space for tires. They are looking at reliability, availability of parts, trail-fixability, expedition mod gear availability, and comfort.

Just slightly different demands. The best performer at an ORV park isn't necessarily the best performer crossing a desert.

Though . . . I still the the JKUR is probably about the best there's ever been. It's certainly among them: Top 10 Used Overland Vehicles
I can agree with your post. For straight rock crawling, I'd say the JK, stock for stock, has no equals.
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It was top 3 for 'performance' if you look at the numbers, the overall score takes into account other things that the JK/U is known to be lacking in.

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