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View Poll Results: Tailgate failure with 35" spare tire on stock carrier
No problem carrying a 35" spare for over a year 14 40.00%
No problem carrying a 35" spare for over two years 8 22.86%
Tailgate broke carrying a 35" spare within 1 year 5 14.29%
Tailgate broke carrying a 35" spare after 1 year 3 8.57%
Using a homemade option to support a 35" spare 5 14.29%
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:55 PM   #31
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With your back spacing it will physically fit on the back without spacers. And they are light wheels which is good. My suggestion is if you choose to run it on the back, only do it on road. When you go off road just undo the 3 lugs and put the spare tire in the trunk. Then all of the jarring you do off road won't affect the tailgate at all. Also don't run any kind of spare tire bike/cargo rack and make sure to have good bump stops. Those suggestions will increase chances of it staying safe. Idk how much your combo is but you should be fine for a while. No one can make definite answers on how long it will last- only speculations. But the above suggestions will help reduce strain and you should be good for a while
Without the spacer it hits the bumper. The wheel / tire combo is right at 100lbs.

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Any recommendation on the new bump stops? I've seen the ones from Daystar.
Daystar bump stops just barely touch my tire with the spacer. I returned them.

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Run 35in Dick Cepeks and just had to get myself a swing away carrier. After about a year of having the heavy bugger on the stock carrier it busted some welds while out on the trail. Nothing major but if I had kept it on it would of been another story.
Did you use a spacer? How heavy was your spare?

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Without the spacer it hits the bumper. The wheel / tire combo is right at 100lbs.

Daystar bump stops just barely touch my tire with the spacer. I returned them.

Did you use a spacer? How heavy was your spare?
Did you find a different bump stop that did work?

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Old 05-28-2013, 03:14 PM   #33
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Did you find a different bump stop that did work?
No. I only tried the Daystars. I looked at stuffing some heater hose in the existing bump stops but with that much of a span I don't think the compression offered by the heater hose as a bump-stop is very effective.

I simply have the spare sitting on an inverted hitch as shown in the post #12 above http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/tai...ml#post3798189

The spare "slides" over the inverted hitch rather snugly with a thin layer of wheel bearing grease on the bottom of the tire. The hitch is oriented toward the outside half of the spare so it's pressing it back toward the gate in it's current position.

Trying to get to items in the back of the Jeep without getting grease on you takes some concentration since that hitch sticks out and up.

The only advantage to my current setup is that once you hoist the 100lb spare up onto that hitch it's much easier to get it on the carrier because it's held up for you. Trying to lift and hold while I fit a 100lb spare on a 3-lug carrier with bump stops trying to push it off would probably result in a hernia for my aging body.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:50 PM   #34
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My sister has an 08 with 35's been on there since a week after she bought it ..no problems .i have a 2010 with 33's and had problems about a month after i went bigger ..i was hearing a metal cluncking noise ..like the tailgate wasnt closed driveing around ..i went and bought the TF hinge carrier .and it fixed my problem ..i know it pricey but its well designed and it looks stock and it spreads the load across the whole tailgate .and you can run up to 37's on it.now my sister want to get the hinge carrier also because shes afraid its going to eventually happen to hers ..good luck
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:38 PM   #35
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I ran a 315/70/17 Duratrac on a Moto Metal 951 for 14 months without issues, but nearly all of my driving is on-road.

I replaced the rear bumper with a Paramount bumper with tire carrier this past weekend. Not because of any worries about the tailgate, but because mod fever is setting in again with the warm weather.
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:05 AM   #36
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Which company makes a good swing out tire carrier

Check out the Best Top High Rock rear bumper/tire Carrier you will be very happy. I run it with a 35 falken on a polish american racing aluminum rim.
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Check out the Best Top High Rock rear bumper/tire Carrier you will be very happy. I run it with a 35 falken on a polish american racing aluminum rim.
How much does the bumper/carrier weigh? Most of the bumper/carrier combos I've found weights for are between 120lbs-180lbs which would probably lose me .5" to .75" lift at the rear over a 40lb carrier like OR-FAB.

I watched a youtube video of one of those and the tire really bounced on the supporting arm. Seems as though all the flexing would work on the welds or cause the rear-facing bump stop to wear off paint on the gate. What has your experience been with bouncing over rough roads/terrain?
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:45 AM   #38
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The Poll results so far show about 1 out of 4 gates are failing with 35's. 65% reported so far have not had an issue. Some of the posters have said 35's have been on the stock gate for 4 years with no problems.

I would guess that there is probably significant variability in the quality or strength of the factory spot welds on the JK gates. That variability may have more to do with people's success with carrying an oversize spare than the weight of the spare itself.

Just speculating but it seems reasonable why some work for years and some fail within a year.
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35's make a difference on the stock carrier over 33's. 33's will fit on the stock carrier without a spacer. That spacer puts a 35" tire 2 inches (or more) further out from the gate. That distance creates more leverage and multiplies the effective weight on the stock carrier.

That is the reason I'm asking about 35's. I think in general they are going to be harder on the gate than 33's.
You can fit the average 35 on the stock carrier with no extension if you have wheels with 4.5" BS. This allows the notch in the bumper to cradle the tire and actually carries some of the weight. Extended bumpstops on the tailgate also reduce vibration. However, a heavy, free hanging 35" with a aftermarket bumper that offers no support to the tire will destroy the tailgate in short order..

35" Tires that I know for a fact that don't require the adapter/extension and fit the stock carrier with stock bumper are;
315/70R17 Duratracs
315/75R16 Duratracs
315/70R17 Nitto Mudgrapplers
315/75R16 BFG KO

Tires that don't :
35x12.50x17 PitBull Rockers
35x12.50x20 Toyo M/T
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:03 AM   #40
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here is what i used for 33's
tried the daystars and they are soft foam....worthless tore just trying to put them on.
Called daystar and they took my address to send me new ones...well that was over a year ago and nothing ever showed up.
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To carry the weight I bought a kart wheel at harbor freight and bolted it to the step hitch. It rattled pretty bad before now it doesn't make a peep.
It is nice to sit the tire on there when you are trying to line up the lugs.
On my 13 I use the TF hinge.
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Oh well, I ended up going with the TF carrier. The tire does rub the bumper without the spacer but it's not pressing against it hard enough to make it hard to shut the gate.


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