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Old 01-18-2013, 08:25 PM   #1
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talk me out of a snorkel

my friends make fun of me for my love of water crossings.. is there any reason NOT to get a snorkel? I'm too old to care about someone thinking it's a mall crawler but are there any real downsides to a snorkel aside from having to drill your hood?

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really curious and watching this thread closely!

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my friends make fun of me for my love of water crossings.. is there any reason NOT to get a snorkel? I'm too old to care about someone thinking it's a mall crawler but are there any real downsides to a snorkel aside from having to drill your hood?

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If you're going to go through water, you're smart getting a functional, sealed snorkel. We came inches from hydrolocking a diesel a few months back - the engine was completely 100% submerged. Thank God for the snorkel.
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disagree with a lot of people on here and that is okay...your Jeep do what you want....IMO a Snorkel is kinda like adding a lot of chrome to a Jeep it is USUALLY for the looks. Some people put it on and think there Jeep can now go anywhere, never mind vent tubes, computers alternator etc.

But as I said it is yours do what you want...they do look neat!!
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thanks for weighing in everyone.. i don't care about looks.. I'm curious to see if it's gonna reduce power through restriction etc..
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thanks for weighing in everyone.. i don't care about looks.. I'm curious to see if it's gonna reduce power through restriction etc..
A properly designed an installed snorkel shouldn't reduce engine power. However, every snorkel I've ever seen is an aerodynamic disaster and will therefore reduce your relative power and MPG at speed.
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I am also in need of a snorkel and have 2 on other Jeeps I owned.

After looking at everything, I have decided to wait and see the Rugged Ridge as it will low mount, for most crossings, and has a high mount for the deep stuff.

No, I don't believe I will submerge my $40,000 Jeep, but I always come close in a ride to hood drive from a hole I didn't see.

I have extended vents and all extra electrics are watertight as I can get them.

Florida is either mud, sand, or water and the areas I frequent are prone to water and mud which is a lot of fun.

I didn't like the slight whistle that I got on my other snorkels from wind noise around the extended pipe and I broke 2 windshields from hitting trees on the snorkel as the mount is along the windshield.

There are always pros and cons with everything and I feel I need to have the slight advantage a snorkel gives me.

In town a slight decrease in mpg is expected but at highway speed I usually saw an increase in mpg.

Just my 3 cents, inflation you know....
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I didn't like the slight whistle that I got on my other snorkels from wind noise around the extended pipe

In town a slight decrease in mpg is expected but at highway speed I usually saw an increase in mpg.

Just my 3 cents, inflation you know....
How bad was the whistle? This is my biggest worry. I have a whistle with my ski and snowboard racks and I don't want to cut my hood for a snorkel if it will whistle

I saw this same question posed on jk or jeep forum. Everyone there said they saw an increase In mpg on the highway. Usually 1-2 and more common with the ram air intake versions
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How bad was the whistle? This is my biggest worry. I have a whistle with my ski and snowboard racks and I don't want to cut my hood for a snorkel if it will whistle

I saw this same question posed on jk or jeep forum. Everyone there said they saw an increase In mpg on the highway. Usually 1-2 and more common with the ram air intake versions
Very little noise at speeds 70+, but there.

With a soft top it might be a little more.

Not a deal breaker in my opinion.

The ram seemed to increase mpg a little, 1-2 seems right.
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It doesn't look like you can have windshield mounted lights with that there. Seems like it would reflect at least some of the light back at the driver
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my friends make fun of me for my love of water crossings.. is there any reason NOT to get a snorkel? I'm too old to care about someone thinking it's a mall crawler but are there any real downsides to a snorkel aside from having to drill your hood?

thanks all..
I'm one of the "friends". IlikeGuns and water is like moths and flames......I still think he should have purchased a mini-submarine and strapped 4 wheels to it, slapped a Wrangler sticker on the "bumper" and called it a day! His was the first Jeep i've ever seen completely disappear and then reappear covered in mud. Quite impressive!
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The one dyno test I seen on YouTube showed a loss of 30 HP. That is a big loss.
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The one dyno test I seen on YouTube showed a loss of 30 HP. That is a big loss.
Ram air snorkels, and I believe most snorkels, make aspiration easier. There is no way there would be 30hp drop on a ram air. I'd bet the same on the pre filters and river raider

Plus it's a cold air intake and everyone knows that just like stickers, they add 50hp
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I had an AEV with prefilter on my Rubicon. Hard to belrive but nothing was on this truck for the look. Everything was for a purpose, snorkel included. When the mecanic pulled out the air box full of mud and gravy, I decided to install it. A lot less expensive than a new engine.



I painted the clear prefilter, was tired to explain to everybody on the street why I had a lantern on the top...

Can't tell anything about MPG since this truck was gazholic anyway. The weight of steel bumbers, the winch, the lift, the wide 35" tires was probably way more in cause. And about the sound, hey, it's a Jeep! I was in love with it and loved so much to hear the big tires on the road. That's for sure more noisy than a whistle from the snorkel. But I can tell you that the breath sound of the engine on acceleration when the passenger window was open or the top open, or the doors removed, was simply orgasmic! Man that sound, pure music to my ears! Friends likes that too. Many of them, like me when i was alone, was asking to open the window, even in winter (over here temp often falls under -20F) just to ear it.

But overall, a well installed snorkel is a good solution to save your engine if you misjudge an hole and get your nose too deep when you get in, or get a wave on your hood. But if you want keep your truck in good health, avoid these hole for the reason jp2611 said. As fragile as your engine, there's a lot of electric and electronic part in your Jeep. What ever your decision, take care.
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disagree with a lot of people on here and that is okay...your Jeep do what you want....IMO a Snorkel is kinda like adding a lot of chrome to a Jeep it is USUALLY for the looks. Some people put it on and think there Jeep can now go anywhere, never mind vent tubes, computers alternator etc.

But as I said it is yours do what you want...they do look neat!!
I agree that it is usually for looks but it is a bit of insurance. computers, alternators and the like are cheap replacements compared to an engine.
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disagree with a lot of people on here and that is okay...your Jeep do what you want....IMO a Snorkel is kinda like adding a lot of chrome to a Jeep it is USUALLY for the looks. Some people put it on and think there Jeep can now go anywhere, never mind vent tubes, computers alternator etc.

But as I said it is yours do what you want...they do look neat!!
I am yet to put a snorkel on my Jeep but do plan on doing it. Anywas not to much for water crossing and what not here in the Vegas area however I did put a snorkel on my 08 FJ only because it gives you a noticeable change in power at speed and I went up about 2 mpg because of the ambient air intake rather then the hot air within the engine compartment. Last IMO it looks fantastic!!!!
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:52 PM   #19
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I say, Just Do IT!
They used to make fun of Noah up until the earth flooded. You never know.
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thats the push I need since I'll probably be hacking my jeep up in your driveway...
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I didn't notice any posts about also adding some waterproofing to your electricals along with a snorkel. I've seen a few Jeeps out on the trail drop into a big hole and while the engine didnt' hydro-lock, it died from submerged electrical stuff or died later on from wet components.

Just like putting a cold air intake on an import, you should notice a bit of throttle response due to cooler air going into the engine. You may also notice a change in tone of the air being sucked in (ie a possible whistle) but it shouldn't be able to be heard over the hum of the tires unless you are focused on hearing it. Then it will drive you nuts.

Let us know what you decide.
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AFe posted some stats here once. No experience myself but the stats showed about a 10hp lose on the dyno and a very slight mpg lose with the snorkel over the dyno without a snorkel. They did this on a Jeep that they had added a CAI/ headers/ tuner/ and exhaust. So it wasn't stock. They were losing some air flow from having to draw air through the long tunnel of the snorkel which sort of negated the slight increase of the CAI. No data has been posted when used with stock air box though that I have ever seen. This was a couple years ago on a 3.8L motor
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thats the push I need since I'll probably be hacking my jeep up in your driveway...
Haha absolutely. I look forward to it brother.
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I didn't notice any posts about also adding some waterproofing to your electricals along with a snorkel.
one thing at a time my friend..
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If you plan on fording that deep, don't forget to w-proof the alternator, starter, fuse box, put boots on the spark plugs, install a fan disconnect, along with all the breather tubes of course. And don't forget the spear gun, goggles and snorkel for your self and the poor passenger.
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I would never have a need for a snorkel, but if I were to ever have the want for one, I would definitely go with something like the Wild Boar snorkel... It blends in with the Jeep which, in my opinion, is a HUGE plus... They have it advertised on their homepage right now for preorders.
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That Wild Boar looks pretty nice, there looks like a lot of thought went into the look and install.
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hmm, hate to have to access the fuse box with the wild boar, wonder if that comes off quite easely. Anyhows im happy with my aev Ram snorkel & ripp cai, and like Alext posted above the sound is great
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If you plan on fording that deep, don't forget to w-proof the alternator, starter, fuse box, put boots on the spark plugs, install a fan disconnect, along with all the breather tubes of course. And don't forget the spear gun, goggles and snorkel for your self and the poor passenger.
Are there any threads or info (I did search and came up empty handed) detailing how to waterproof the alternator, starter, and fuse box?

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