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Old 11-14-2013, 01:32 PM   #1
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Hi. New to the forums. I have a '10 JKU sport. I've had other Jeeps before this. I'm thinking about trading it in on a Mini. I like my Jeep. I really do. But I can't say I'm as attached to it as other Jeep owners.

Here's my list of reasons:
  • I don't use the jeeplyness of it anymore. I used to, but now I live in a city and don't get out to the countryside much.
  • Even when I do, I rarely need a 4WD. I mean, I grew up in the country, son of a long line of mechanics, and my dad and uncle (professional mechanics) always took Escorts and LeCars and the like pulling john boats out into cratery paths. I think people underestimate what a normal sedan can do. Hell, some of my best memories are of being at 45 degrees sideways on a clay washout in a LeCar towing a john boat to a cypress filled lake, with my good ol' boy dad at the wheel.
  • In the city, the gas mileage of the Jeep is a concern. This one is actually pretty far down the concern list, though. I only commute 5 miles, so there's not much difference.
  • It's just me. Seems like a waste to use a 4 door giant vehicle as a commuter.
  • They are so, so common around here. I want some uniqueness. I can get into double digits counting just the 4 door wranglers on my 5 mile commute. No joke, no exaggeration. Even when they're modded, it's like the same laundry list of mods, so they come out kind of looking the same as the other modded ones.
  • There's no snow here. The worst inclement weather can be navigated with a car or not at all.

All that being said, I do like the Jeep. I would love to be talked out of giving it up.

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I'm not going to push the wrangler as the most amazing vehicle ever because obviously you wouldn't believe it. If your city has rough streets, you don't get the butt pucker you get with low profile mini rims. And it's pretty resilient in low speed crashes. That's about all the benefits of a jk in a Texas city. If you don't need 4x4 and don't love the ride anymore then the jeep may not be the best. I'm not sure if a Mini would be best but its up to you. All minis, even the SUV are, well, mini. If you like to take road trips with friends, the mini has much less room.

You'll have to ask yourself, can you live without your jeep? I'd love a GM pickup, but I could never live without my jk so it'll have to wait until I can afford both

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Hi. New to the forums. I have a '10 JKU sport. I've had other Jeeps before this. I'm thinking about trading it in on a Mini. I like my Jeep. I really do. But I can't say I'm as attached to it as other Jeep owners.

Here's my list of reasons:
  • I don't use the jeeplyness of it anymore. I used to, but now I live in a city and don't get out to the countryside much.
  • Even when I do, I rarely need a 4WD. I mean, I grew up in the country, son of a long line of mechanics, and my dad and uncle (professional mechanics) always took Escorts and LeCars and the like pulling john boats out into cratery paths. I think people underestimate what a normal sedan can do. Hell, some of my best memories are of being at 45 degrees sideways on a clay washout in a LeCar towing a john boat to a cypress filled lake, with my good ol' boy dad at the wheel.
  • In the city, the gas mileage of the Jeep is a concern. This one is actually pretty far down the concern list, though. I only commute 5 miles, so there's not much difference.
  • It's just me. Seems like a waste to use a 4 door giant vehicle as a commuter.
  • They are so, so common around here. I want some uniqueness. I can get into double digits counting just the 4 door wranglers on my 5 mile commute. No joke, no exaggeration. Even when they're modded, it's like the same laundry list of mods, so they come out kind of looking the same as the other modded ones.
  • There's no snow here. The worst inclement weather can be navigated with a car or not at all.

All that being said, I do like the Jeep. I would love to be talked out of giving it up.
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if your in that rut of just being tired of the vehicle then maybe its time to get rid of her..... i just came from smaller import vehicles. while i enjoyed the peppy feeling of driving a smaller nimble vehicle, after taking delivery of my 2014 JKU i can tell you i enjoy driving a vehicle that you don't have to worry about things on the road that will damage your front end, as well think that if you get into an accident that you'll be serious f**ked....

while i still own and daily my 2012 toyota yaris because of better fuel economy i really enjoy driving my wrangler around alot more.

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Hi. New to the forums. I have a '10 JKU sport. I've had other Jeeps before this. I'm thinking about trading it in on a Mini. I like my Jeep. I really do. But I can't say I'm as attached to it as other Jeep owners.

Here's my list of reasons:
  • I don't use the jeeplyness of it anymore. I used to, but now I live in a city and don't get out to the countryside much.
  • Even when I do, I rarely need a 4WD. I mean, I grew up in the country, son of a long line of mechanics, and my dad and uncle (professional mechanics) always took Escorts and LeCars and the like pulling john boats out into cratery paths. I think people underestimate what a normal sedan can do. Hell, some of my best memories are of being at 45 degrees sideways on a clay washout in a LeCar towing a john boat to a cypress filled lake, with my good ol' boy dad at the wheel.
  • In the city, the gas mileage of the Jeep is a concern. This one is actually pretty far down the concern list, though. I only commute 5 miles, so there's not much difference.
  • It's just me. Seems like a waste to use a 4 door giant vehicle as a commuter.
  • They are so, so common around here. I want some uniqueness. I can get into double digits counting just the 4 door wranglers on my 5 mile commute. No joke, no exaggeration. Even when they're modded, it's like the same laundry list of mods, so they come out kind of looking the same as the other modded ones.
  • There's no snow here. The worst inclement weather can be navigated with a car or not at all.

All that being said, I do like the Jeep. I would love to be talked out of giving it up.

I get you don't have snow or go play in the woods mountains or countryside.

I like feeling safe...have a couple pics for ya...2 month old $37K vehicle totaled hit by a mini van,,I do have a collar bone injury..given the length of the average car where would the mini van have hit a car? you think I would have lived? Maybe in a truck...but you can't take the top off
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:27 PM   #7
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Sounds like you're talked yourself out of your Jeep pretty well.

I've had both - the MINI (I had a Cooper S) - good car! With the S I had to almost hypermile to get the advertised 35mpg

Don't fool yourself into thinking you have a usable rear seat though.
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Best thing is to try to rent one for a day and first see if you like it.

You have 5 minutes to commute, you don't need a 4 door giant, I think it's time to switch for a 2Dr.
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If you're doing it for better gas mileage, don't. You have higher insurance premiums, as well as having to buy premium gas
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This is going to seem really argumentative, but I don't mean it to be. Just self-debating.

A couple of you mention safety, and I do appreciate that. However, safety is actually one of the reasons I'm looking. The jeep is bigger, but it's impact ratings are lower than the Mini. Bigger isn't necessarily more survivable when the shell is designed to redistribute an impact force of a crash.
2013 Jeep Wrangler Safety | U.S. News Best Cars
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Add to that that heavier also means more momentum from your side and bigger crash.

Yeah, I know it sounds like my mind is made up, but it's the opposite. These are reasons by which I'm trying to convince myself to give up the Jeep.

Also, my insurance company (GEICO) quoted lower premiums for the mini than the jeep. Not by much, but they were lower.

As for premium, if regular is $3.00, 100 miles at 15 MPG costs $20, if premium is $3.20 (looking out the window at the gas station across street at 2.76 and 2.96, rounding up), then 100 miles at 27 MPG costs $12. Still an overall savings of $8 on every hundred city miles.
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Trade in the JKU for JK 2dr. It's smaller and still a Jeep. much easier to park than a 4dr. Gas millage wont change much. Hey, you can lift it add bigger tires and drive over Minis.
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For what its worth, We have a Mini Countryman, prior to that a 2 door Mini and a 2012 2 door JK. I can tell you that the Mini, BOTH of them, cost $500 more to insure than the Jeep! Additionally, you will have to get more expensive gas for the Mini, Jeep good ole 87 octane. Just puttin in my two pennies.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:02 PM   #13
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Trade in the JKU for JK 2dr. It's smaller and still a Jeep. much easier to park than a 4dr. Gas millage wont change much. Hey, you can lift it add bigger tires and drive over Minis.
This is actually my other plan. I looked at the 2 door, too. Solves the size problem.

Oh, I forgot. The other problem is that my JK is an auto. I dislike autos, but long story short, I had to take what they had on the lot at the time (it was a lemon law buyback--yes Jeeps can be lemons, too).
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Also, this forum is remarkably civil. Thanks for that. I'm so used to internet forums being hostile.
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How's this one been? Basically trading in one iconic vehicle for another; just depends on what your personal needs/style are.
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Hi. New to the forums. I have a '10 JKU sport. I've had other Jeeps before this. I'm thinking about trading it in on a Mini. I like my Jeep. I really do. But I can't say I'm as attached to it as other Jeep owners.

Here's my list of reasons:
  • I don't use the jeeplyness of it anymore. I used to, but now I live in a city and don't get out to the countryside much.
  • Even when I do, I rarely need a 4WD. I mean, I grew up in the country, son of a long line of mechanics, and my dad and uncle (professional mechanics) always took Escorts and LeCars and the like pulling john boats out into cratery paths. I think people underestimate what a normal sedan can do. Hell, some of my best memories are of being at 45 degrees sideways on a clay washout in a LeCar towing a john boat to a cypress filled lake, with my good ol' boy dad at the wheel.
  • In the city, the gas mileage of the Jeep is a concern. This one is actually pretty far down the concern list, though. I only commute 5 miles, so there's not much difference.
  • It's just me. Seems like a waste to use a 4 door giant vehicle as a commuter.
  • They are so, so common around here. I want some uniqueness. I can get into double digits counting just the 4 door wranglers on my 5 mile commute. No joke, no exaggeration. Even when they're modded, it's like the same laundry list of mods, so they come out kind of looking the same as the other modded ones.
  • There's no snow here. The worst inclement weather can be navigated with a car or not at all.

All that being said, I do like the Jeep. I would love to be talked out of giving it up.
Sell it and reserve some money for brake jobs on the mini. Why would you keep something you don't like?
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For what its worth, We have a Mini Countryman, prior to that a 2 door Mini and a 2012 2 door JK. I can tell you that the Mini, BOTH of them, cost $500 more to insure than the Jeep! Additionally, you will have to get more expensive gas for the Mini, Jeep good ole 87 octane. Just puttin in my two pennies.
Wow, that's expensive. No lie, my company (geico) quoted $313/6 months for full mini coverage, and my Jeep is sitting at about $340/6 months for full. Maybe its discounted for multiple cars and loyalty. As for the gas, at 27 MPG city, it still works out strongly in favor of the Mini, even with premium. 0.20 more per gallon is $2.60 more a 13 gallon tank for very nearly twice the range.

Again, not trying to be argumentative, I just did the math while shopping.
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At the end of the day, it comes down to what makes you happier and where your priorities are we may all have opinions on such but it's up to you for this decision I personally could never sell my jeep because of the feelings that are evoked driving it with it feeling like a tank, always look back at it before I walk away from it, Minis are nice vehicles also but serve a completely different purpose then a jeep, granted, you win either way on this decision as they are both amazing niche vehicles
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Appreciate that. Can't go wrong on Mini gas mileage, I will give you that. My commute to work with Jeep is 5 miles also. Really comes down to what you want. Maybe you had your "Jeep Fix" fulfilled and you are ready to move on. I have 2 door and another vehicle. Maybe you just need a second car, too. Only you can decide.
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This is going to seem really argumentative, but I don't mean it to be. Just self-debating.

A couple of you mention safety, and I do appreciate that. However, safety is actually one of the reasons I'm looking. The jeep is bigger, but it's impact ratings are lower than the Mini. Bigger isn't necessarily more survivable when the shell is designed to redistribute an impact force of a crash.
2013 Jeep Wrangler Safety | U.S. News Best Cars
2013 Mini Cooper Safety | U.S. News Best Cars
Add to that that heavier also means more momentum from your side and bigger crash.

Yeah, I know it sounds like my mind is made up, but it's the opposite. These are reasons by which I'm trying to convince myself to give up the Jeep.

Also, my insurance company (GEICO) quoted lower premiums for the mini than the jeep. Not by much, but they were lower.

As for premium, if regular is $3.00, 100 miles at 15 MPG costs $20, if premium is $3.20 (looking out the window at the gas station across street at 2.76 and 2.96, rounding up), then 100 miles at 27 MPG costs $12. Still an overall savings of $8 on every hundred city miles.
In reference to the "crash data" I won't dispute that "test" I will say that in the 21 years I have been driving Jeeps I have been in 4 "accidents".
None my fault. I was hit by a fullsize Dodge Ram, a Fullsize GMC VAN turned in front of me, I was hit left front by a woman in a Chrysler mini van, and most recently the pics shown, failure to stop for signal.

Last wreck was the worst...and the first one I was injured, in all but the last one I drove away. And the Jeeps repair never exceeded more than $3k
and every other vehicle had to be towed.

For my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE I'll take the Jeep. Good Luck in whichever vehicle you end up with...Jeeps are not for everyone.
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Don't forget to calculate the cost of selling the Mini and getting another Jeep in a year or two!

I know this from experience, sold my TJ to get a Mustang. Couple of years later I was back in a TJ.
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Don't forget to calculate the cost of selling the Mini and getting another Jeep in a year or two!

I know this from experience, sold my TJ to get a Mustang. Couple of years later I was back in a TJ.
I did something VERY similar...
Traded my TJ Rubicon for a Mustang GT convertible...
Then traded that for a BMW X5 (My son was on his way to be born)...

Then, my will power gave out and I sold the X5 to get the JKU.
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Also, this forum is remarkably civil. Thanks for that. I'm so used to internet forums being hostile.
Yeah, we're pretty friendly here...
If you don't like it, get out! LOL!
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We had a Cooper S convertible for a couple years. We loved it, only have my Miatas been more fun to drive. I would go for it, you won't regret it. I am on my third Wrangler, over my driving life, it has been a vehicle I have been able to fit in my life at different times. Maybe you'll be back maybe you won't. Update this thread when you get one.
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Former Mini J Cooper Works guy here. Just recently took delivery of my 2014 Rubi Unlimited. You'll like the Mini for 6 months. Who wouldn't like driving a go-cart around city streets. Had my Mini at 145 in a moment of insanity and it couldn't done more. Loses its' luster after hitting some potholes and the lack of any comfort in the suspension. Nothing you'd want to be in for more than an hour and that's why I traded her in. Good luck on YOUR choice!
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Hi. New to the forums. I have a '10 JKU sport. I've had other Jeeps before this. I'm thinking about trading it in on a Mini. I like my Jeep. I really do. But I can't say I'm as attached to it as other Jeep owners.

Here's my list of reasons:
  • I don't use the jeeplyness of it anymore. I used to, but now I live in a city and don't get out to the countryside much.
  • Even when I do, I rarely need a 4WD. I mean, I grew up in the country, son of a long line of mechanics, and my dad and uncle (professional mechanics) always took Escorts and LeCars and the like pulling john boats out into cratery paths. I think people underestimate what a normal sedan can do. Hell, some of my best memories are of being at 45 degrees sideways on a clay washout in a LeCar towing a john boat to a cypress filled lake, with my good ol' boy dad at the wheel.
  • In the city, the gas mileage of the Jeep is a concern. This one is actually pretty far down the concern list, though. I only commute 5 miles, so there's not much difference.
  • It's just me. Seems like a waste to use a 4 door giant vehicle as a commuter.
  • They are so, so common around here. I want some uniqueness. I can get into double digits counting just the 4 door wranglers on my 5 mile commute. No joke, no exaggeration. Even when they're modded, it's like the same laundry list of mods, so they come out kind of looking the same as the other modded ones.
  • There's no snow here. The worst inclement weather can be navigated with a car or not at all.

All that being said, I do like the Jeep. I would love to be talked out of giving it up.
Buy the mini. Very few people here have a vested interest in convincing you to keep something you have no use for. Your used Jeep will probably make someone very happy. Good luck. Bye.
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Sell/trade the Jeep, get what you want, and move on.

When you're sick of the little grinder, and want something different, then rinse and repeat your dilemma.

Life to too short to fret over something as silly as this.

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I owned a 2011 Mini Cooper S (manual) prior to my 13 JKU (Automatic).

My list of pros/cons of mini and jeep

Mini:

Pros:

1. Gas Mileage on long road trips. In-town I would average 23-25. Do have to use premium though
2. Acceleration
3. In-town parking much easier
4. So MUCH fun to drive

Cons:

1. Much more difficult and expensive to maintain. That engine is PACKED in there. Research what routine maintenance costs after warranty period. A brake job alone will be in $1,000 range if you don't know how to do it yourself. Out of warranty repairs are outrageously expensive.
2. Visibility while driving in town: Non-existent. All you can see is the bumper of the car in front of you
3. Space. It is essentially a two passenger vehicle. Anyone in the back seat for more than 5 minutes is cruel.
4. Lack of dealerships: I live in Pacific NW and had one option within 200 miles. If you end up with a bad dealer, you may be stuck. Many more Jeep dealerships around.
5. I have heard/read that with snow tires and smaller diameter rims that a mini handled well in the snow. The one time I tried to drive it in the snow, it struggled enormously. Never drove over a mountain pass in the winter again.

JKU:

Pros:

1. Visibility. Something about siting up high enough to see over other cars
2. 4WD
3. Tons of Cargo Space and options for more on back/roof
4. seats 4 people

Cons:

1. Poor gas mileage but don't need to use Premium
2. Harder to park in-town.
3. Insurance premium was about $40 more per 6 months than the mini
4. Sluggish compared to mini.

In the end I traded my 11 Mini in due to desire/need for larger vehicle for play. The constant problems I was having with the clutch and throw-out bearings complicated by having a poor dealership to take the vehicle to (next closest was 200 miles away) accelerated my decision to get away from the mini.

Good Luck either way. One day I will own another mini...just not as my daily driver.
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Another vote for a 2-door.

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