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Old 08-30-2013, 06:51 PM   #1
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Tell me about sunk, half sunk and not sunk Winches.

What is good and bad about a bumper that has a full sunk, or half sunk or open mounted winch. Any help would be appreciated. Tell me your experiences. Thanks

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Old 08-30-2013, 11:10 PM   #2
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I can only tell you that I am going with the LOD signature mid width for a full sunk. I want to get the airflow to the radiator. On my TJ I had an open and was always thinking is it gonna get hot. It never did but I just think the time wheeling is gonna be way more than the time winchin.

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Old 08-31-2013, 02:00 AM   #3
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How much more air flow can a get JK get offroading? I mean, unless you are doing dune racing, most trails or crawling are done slow paced, from my understanding there is not a considerable amount of air flow at slow speeds hitting the radiator for a winch to make a difference. You still have the space between the winch and grille, grille and body frame, then body frame to the radiator. Its not like the winch is sealing the entire front. The only airflow created when crawling would be the fan, but for the amount of air the fan moves, it has plenty of intake space. At speed could be similar, there is plenty of airflow, but wind will just go around the winch and the same turbulence will cause air to hit the radiator everywhere. That is what I understand from it, is there something else at play?

Do you know anybody who overheated from having a winch up front that was not recessed?
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:25 AM   #4
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My Warn 9.5 CTI has a rather tall profile and it sits on top of my bumper. I've not had any overheating issues with it.


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Old 08-31-2013, 08:22 AM   #5
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I think I grasp the differences, but my question would be: Are there any benefits/drawbacks to each, or is it all aesthetics?
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:48 AM   #6
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I thought it had more to do with placing the winch between the frame rails vs placing it on top or the frame rails. Placing it between the frame rails would be a much stronger pull point and it would also be lower on the jeeps center of gravity. Placing it on top of the frame rails would seem to put more downward torque on the frame rails and bumper mounting points when winching.
Another thing to consider is that if you wanted a winch capable bumper but didn't necessarily want to add a winch right away. Bumpers that sink the winch between the frame rails will obviously will have a gaping hole on top without a winch installed where as a top mount winch bumper will generally look like a standard bumper but a winch can easily be installed by simply adding a winch plate on top. Something like the PSC brawler lite sinks the winch between the frame rails somewhat and also had a finished look on top without a winch. Does that make sense?
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:20 PM   #7
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I think I grasp the differences, but my question would be: Are there any benefits/drawbacks to each, or is it all aesthetics?
One advantage to having it higher on the vehicle is that it clears obstacles in the path to the point of pull better. Last weekend we needed to winch another Jeep up a hill who had broken down and the first person who tried had synthetic rope (as I do) but a low mounted, recessed winch. We needed to pull a fellow that was nearly 100ft away from us up a field of rocks. When the guy with the low mounted winch started to winch his line was crossing rocks in multiple places. It turned out that he had a problem with his solenoid and couldn't do the pull so I moved to his same position for the pull and with my higher mounted winch it cleared all the rocks to the vehicle I was pulling and there was no worry about cutting that synthetic line.

Concerning placement between the frame rails I'm not sure if that has much bearing since the winch is always attached to the top of a plate rather than attached from the sides to the frame rails.

One of the reasons I went with a top mounted winch is so that I could easily see the line spooling to know if it was bunching up. The folks with the recessed winches can't easily seen how the rope winding without stopping and peeking in the bumper.

I'm sure there are some advantages to a recessed winch but I don't think they are related to winching.

I'm no expert. These are just my opinions.
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One advantage to having it higher on the vehicle is that it clears obstacles in the path to the point of pull better. Last weekend we needed to winch another Jeep up a hill who had broken down and the first person who tried had synthetic rope (as I do) but a low mounted, recessed winch. We needed to pull a fellow that was nearly 100ft away from us up a field of rocks. When the guy with the low mounted winch started to winch his line was crossing rocks in multiple places. It turned out that he had a problem with his solenoid and couldn't do the pull so I moved to his same position for the pull and with my higher mounted winch it cleared all the rocks to the vehicle I was pulling and there was no worry about cutting that synthetic line.

Concerning placement between the frame rails I'm not sure if that has much bearing since the winch is always attached to the top of a plate rather than attached from the sides to the frame rails.

One of the reasons I went with a top mounted winch is so that I could easily see the line spooling to know if it was bunching up. The folks with the recessed winches can't easily seen how the rope winding without stopping and peeking in the bumper.

I'm sure there are some advantages to a recessed winch but I don't think they are related to winching.

I'm no expert. These are just my opinions.
Very cool, thanks!
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:05 AM   #9
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Mine never got hot but it immediately ran warmer 220 to 240. Not a lot and only at very slow spots in the trail with the A/C on. Now I had a top mounted power plant and it pretty much covered the TJ's grill. Everywhere else it ran like it always had 210. I had always flushed the coolant every year and kept up on maintenance. I don't want a breakdown on the trail. I replaced the radiator with a new one, HD fan clutch, stock thermostat and a good full flush. It then dropped back to normal and did not move. So in a perfect system It did not make a difference but with an older system it did affect mine. Could have been something happened at the same time as when the winch went on and the new parts fixed it. I don't know I just don't want to chance it on a new jeep.
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