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Old 07-29-2012, 01:28 AM   #1
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teraflex or aev???

trying to decide if i want the 2.5 lift from teraflex or from aev. any opinions?

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trying to decide if i want the 2.5 lift from teraflex or from aev. any opinions?
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:55 AM   #3
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all the major off road company's offer really good products... that being said, i personally went with tera flex. i think it boils down to how deep is your wallet and how easy it is to up-grade what you have all ready bought from said company.
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I was going to go AEV but then saw the Rock Krawler kits. They look sturdier than the AEV kits. Both made in the USA, so I wouldn't go with Teraflex based on that alone...
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:33 AM   #6
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I can say the RK control arms are NO JOKE. I've read of people having trouble with AEV parts not holding up to any real wheeling. I have a buddy with the Teraflex spring lift and I'll be honest in that he likes the ride, but it didn't come with control arms or trackbars, so his steering is a bit flighty.
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TerraFlex Spring lift w/ Bilstein 5100 Shocks! Ordered from 4wd.com shipped to my door under $800 FTW!
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TerraFlex Spring lift w/ Bilstein 5100 Shocks! Ordered from 4wd.com shipped to my door under $800 FTW!
Not bad, but to get the geometry right with control arms and trackbar correction you need to double that.

The front trackbar bracket that comes with the Teraflex kit is a joke and will more than likely create issues down the line.
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Not bad, but to get the geometry right with control arms and trackbar correction you need to double that.

The front trackbar bracket that comes with the Teraflex kit is a joke and will more than likely create issues down the line.
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Yes. The Teraflex kits typically come with trackbar relocation brackets instead of adjustable trackbars. The problem is, those brackets (from most manufacturers- not isolating Teraflex on this) are notorious for vibrating loose and wallowing out the holes, causing some serious death wobble.

The Rock Krawler kit, while significantly more expensive, comes with a seriously beefy adjustable front trackbar and a rear trackbar bracket that, when installed properly, will never give any problems.
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Yes. The Teraflex kits typically come with trackbar relocation brackets instead of adjustable trackbars. The problem is, those brackets (from most manufacturers- not isolating Teraflex on this) are notorious for vibrating loose and wallowing out the holes, causing some serious death wobble.

The Rock Krawler kit, while significantly more expensive, comes with a seriously beefy adjustable front trackbar and a rear trackbar bracket that, when installed properly, will never give any problems.
Depends on the kit #1

But even TF advises to use the rear bracket along with a adjustable TB to match geometry with the front.

And the only bracket I know of if for the rear and they did away with the frame bracket -- well not for the BB's -- now, all coil lifts come with a sturdier axle bracket that mounts to the existing bracket and bolts to a LCA bolt as well as 2 u-clamps.

I'm sure it could be welded for extra support.
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I'm actually really starting to look at rock crawler lifts. More then I had been wanting to spend but I have heard nothing but great things about them on the forums and from people I know. It looks like I may be going with a rock crawler.
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Not bad, but to get the geometry right with control arms and trackbar correction you need to double that.

The front trackbar bracket that comes with the Teraflex kit is a joke and will more than likely create issues down the line.
It doesn't come with a front track bar bracket. The rear track bar bracket looks beefy though. I am adding a front adjustable track bar, and might do the same for the rear depending on if I need to.
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Also I have read where multiple people have had issues with AEV geometry correction brackets not holding up well. That is what really moved me from AEV to what I ended up buying.
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Depends on the kit #1

But even TF advises to use the rear bracket along with a adjustable TB to match geometry with the front.

And the only bracket I know of if for the rear and they did away with the frame bracket -- well not for the BB's -- now, all coil lifts come with a sturdier axle bracket that mounts to the existing bracket and bolts to a LCA bolt as well as 2 u-clamps.

I'm sure it could be welded for extra support.
It's good to hear they improved them. The one we installed on a buddy's rig some time back... after completely torquing everything, we could still see the bracket flex just pushing the body side to side. If they've redesigned it I'm sure they got it right this time. Those brackets were the only real "joke" in the kits- Teraflex is a solid company as I mentioned earlier.

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It doesn't come with a front track bar bracket. The rear track bar bracket looks beefy though. I am adding a front adjustable track bar, and might do the same for the rear depending on if I need to.
You probably won't need one on the rear, especially with kjeeper pointing out the brackets are pretty solid, now. I'm at 3.5" lift using a bracket designed for a 2.5" lift and my axle is still almost dead center. I would absolutely urge you to go with the front tackbar for stability and longevity, though.
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I'm actually really starting to look at rock crawler lifts. More then I had been wanting to spend but I have heard nothing but great things about them on the forums and from people I know. It looks like I may be going with a rock crawler.
Sometimes it's cheaper to spend more...just sayin'.
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It's good to hear they improved them. The one we installed on a buddy's rig some time back... after completely torquing everything, we could still see the bracket flex just pushing the body side to side. If they've redesigned it I'm sure they got it right this time. Those brackets were the only real "joke" in the kits- Teraflex is a solid company as I mentioned earlier.

Yes the old bracket looked terrible! The instructions had a page for both the old and new brackets. Luckily I have the new one. The older design was a small flimsy looking thing that needed to have a hole drilled for mounting. The newer design looks overbuilt which is a good thing. It looks very solid.

Definitely getting a new track bar up front. The low cost of it and ease of installation make it a no brainer. Just need to decide between JKS, Currie, or The TerraFlex Monster. Leaning Monster or Currie, but can't decide between the two.
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Not sure what those cost, but Jason at Krawl can get you a Rock Krawler front adjustable for $149 shipped if I remember right.

Here it is:

Rock Krawler Bomb Proof Adjustable Front Track Bar

He also has 5% off this week, so you could get another $7-8 knocked off that price. When they say "Bombproof" they're not kidding. I'm 6'3" and 275# and had trouble easing it into place without dropping it.
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It's good to hear they improved them. The one we installed on a buddy's rig some time back... after completely torquing everything, we could still see the bracket flex just pushing the body side to side. If they've redesigned it I'm sure they got it right this time. Those brackets were the only real "joke" in the kits- Teraflex is a solid company as I mentioned earlier.

You probably won't need one on the rear, especially with kjeeper pointing out the brackets are pretty solid, now. I'm at 3.5" lift using a bracket designed for a 2.5" lift and my axle is still almost dead center. I would absolutely urge you to go with the front tackbar for stability and longevity, though.
Yea..... I got the frame bracket with my kit.
I called them to acquire the newer one and they sent me one free of charge
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I have about 3.5" lift mostly teraflex and got the front adjustable trackbar and rear trackbar tower. I have no issues.

OP for me it would come down to Rock Krawler, Teraflex or Synergy and I would probably go Rock Krawler if I were building again. The RK Max Travel is the way to go.

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Yes the old bracket looked terrible! The instructions had a page for both the old and new brackets. Luckily I have the new one. The older design was a small flimsy looking thing that needed to have a hole drilled for mounting. The newer design looks overbuilt which is a good thing. It looks very solid.

Definitely getting a new track bar up front. The low cost of it and ease of installation make it a no brainer. Just need to decide between JKS, Currie, or The TerraFlex Monster. Leaning Monster or Currie, but can't decide between the two.
Currie and JKS should be the exact same.
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well i was GOING to say "at least its not a RK vs AEV thread"...
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well i was GOING to say "at least its not a RK vs AEV thread"...
It's not! It's a RK v TF thread!
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seeing as its always a RK vs something thread...i think that narrows it down. just get a RK suspension and be done with it
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#1 Teraflex

#1 Rock Krawler

Both companies are excellent.

AEV is not.

You want brackets for the trackbars. This will make them stronger. You want adjustable trackbars to center the axle. It's not necessary in the rear with a 2.5" kit but it will help. The front needs it for sure. It's a huge PRO.
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Currie and JKS should be the exact same.
HAHA. Never really noticed that. They do both have the johnny joints. Damn they look identical but the JKS is less expensive and stocked at more places. Now it is between JKS and TF Monster. Hmm. Thanks for the info.

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I'm another Jeep noob. Just bought a '12 JKU Altitude and really want a 2" lift and will put on 33s. I don't plan to do heavy wheeling, maybe some light trails. I'd really like to find the lift that would be the best for on road (safety/reliability/ride) with minimal off roading (but not be afraid to go on the trail).

I had read good things about AEV, but that's not what I see in this thread. I also saw the Mopar kits on Quadratec but no one mentions those.

You guys still say Terraflex and RK are the best? Nothing else to consider?
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I'm another Jeep noob. Just bought a '12 JKU Altitude and really want a 2" lift and will put on 33s. I don't plan to do heavy wheeling, maybe some light trails. I'd really like to find the lift that would be the best for on road (safety/reliability/ride) with minimal off roading (but not be afraid to go on the trail).

I had read good things about AEV, but that's not what I see in this thread. I also saw the Mopar kits on Quadratec but no one mentions those.

You guys still say Terraflex and RK are the best? Nothing else to consider?
BDS i'm surprised more people don't mention them. you want a good lift, with the best warranty in the industry... look at BDS. and as proof, i went wheeling this weekend and bent my pitman arm...

part is already on a UPS truck for me to replace... that's customer service.
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Teraflex, RK, Poly Performance are three of the best.

AEV is good for an on-road machine that never sees dirt.
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Teraflex, RK, Poly Performance are three of the best.

AEV is good for an on-road machine that never sees dirt.
Is there one you mentioned that's better on-road than the others? My Jeepin' is contingent on the wife still loving to drive it. :-)

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