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Old 04-29-2013, 11:06 PM   #31
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I have a 2013 JK sport with 3.73 gears , automatic.

This Sunday I went to the coke ovens in Florence Arizona with 6 other Jeeps , JKs and unlimiteds ranging from 2009 to 2011.

On the way there my buddy with a 2010 unlimited with 4.88 gears decided to test my Pentastar against his 4.0 on the highway.

He quickly found out his was no match..

Once we stopped he said that he had his foot to the floor and I just kept pulling away at 80.

I had test drove earlier years and didn't buy due to the motor.

The pentastar was the key to chrysler selling me a jeep.

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Old 04-29-2013, 11:07 PM   #32
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I have a 2013 2 door Sport with the 3.21's and while I wish I had the 3.73, my jeep is definitely not a slug. Test drive a 2012 or 13 and you will be pleasantly surprised .

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Old 04-29-2013, 11:22 PM   #33
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high-revving engines don't give the same type of acceleration as engines with more lower-end. You don't feel so much with the pentastar, it's just that when you look down at the speedometer you realize you are actually moving at a pretty good clip. I am certain even with 3.21's, a pentastar wrangler accelerates far more quickly than a 4 cylinder s10.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:23 PM   #34
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My daily vehicle is a F250 turbo diesel with bully dog control and many other performance enhancements and it rock and rolls. I was very impressed with the New penstar on my Jeep.
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Also the hill start assist was annoying. It came on by default on my '13. Took me a while to realize it was on. Much better with it off. Just another item to look for on a new one.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:24 PM   #36
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I have a 2013 JK sport with 3.73 gears , automatic.

I had test drove earlier years and didn't buy due to the motor.

The pentastar was the key to chrysler selling me a jeep.
^^^And This^^^

But I have 3.21's and I'm satisfied.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:46 PM   #37
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Oh, okay. Wasn't aware the engines and transmissions were different, thought all the JKs were the same. I need to do more research I guess.

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Ok... and your homework will be to go put the peddle to the floor on a new '13 and report back....
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:48 PM   #38
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Yeah go drive a 2 door 2013 Rubi with the 4.10's and see how that grabs ya.
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:05 AM   #39
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I'll be towing one 500 lb street bike and one 300 lb dirt bike, on a single axle steel-frame trailer with a wooden floor. (Basically the large Harbor Freight trailer, which is roughly 300 lbs). And that will be only once, maybe twice a year. (I like to take both the sporty bike and the enduro with me on trips to the mountains). So 1100, maybe 1200 pounds behind the Wrangler shouldn't be a problem with the 3.73 gears, should it? I'd have to go with a Rubicon to get the 4.10's, and they don't come with half doors.

I do want 35"s though. That, I think, is the largest I can put on without a lift kit, right?

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As mentioned, the max tow rating is 3500. I've seen people towing pretty decent size boats with Wranglers.

Makes sense that you were actually driving an '11. Definitely try a '12 or '13 with 3.73 or 4.10. You'll notice a huge difference.

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If you get the tow package from the dealer, doesn't that come with better gearing? If so that would kill two birds with one stone.
If you get the tow package on a Sport, that will ensure it has 3.73 gears and maybe stiffer springs that will give you a bit more height. Doesn't make a difference on the Rubi though. Rubi's usually come with 4.10, but some dealers order them with 3.73.
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3.6 isn't 'sluggish' with any option. I test drove a 2dr 3.21 auto and I thought it zipped along very well. Going from a 4.7 v8 3.73 to a v6 with 3.73 I do miss the torque. But the ponies on the highway are pretty sweet.

Only way to get v8 torque is to get a v8. Wrangler is a big, blocky, non-aerodynamic chunk of steel and it won't accelerate like a sports car with a small v6. I drove my father's Hemi and that thing hauls. I'd rather see a small block v8 or a diesel in the Wrangler but I'm happy with the power of the 3.6.
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As mentioned, the max tow rating is 3500. I've seen people towing pretty decent size boats with Wranglers.

Makes sense that you were actually driving an '11. Definitely try a '12 or '13 with 3.73 or 4.10. You'll notice a huge difference.



If you get the tow package on a Sport, that will ensure it has 3.73 gears and maybe stiffer springs that will give you a bit more height. Doesn't make a difference on the Rubi though. Rubi's usually come with 4.10, but some dealers order them with 3.73.
Max tow - not just the tow package. Max tow bumps it to 3.73 gears and the tow equipment, the tow package just gives you the hitch and 4 way plug.

Mine did come with the stiffer springs too with the max tow.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:32 AM   #42
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Research should start about 15" above the front bumper. You'll find a single, four letter word. It says "Jeep"

It doesnt say porche. Wasnt built to be fast. Doesnt want to be fast. Couldnt win a race against a bowling ball.

But I'd like to see a 911 Carerra go wheeling.

Every tool has a task (not referring to the human at the wheel).

Choose the right vehicle for what you want.

Doesnt sound like you're a wrangler sort of person, and that is completely ok.

Kinda like the guy who rides a jacked-up F-550 with riser stacks and chrome bling...but no hitch. Its a waste. Or the guy who puts tiny wheels on their camero so thay can get quicker accelleration...but lower top-end. Its a waste. or a guy who puts a rear spoiler on their "Mystery-Maching" conversion van. waste(d).

Dont buy a corvette and bitch that you cant haul lumber. Dont buy a Chevy 3500 and bitch that you cant fit in a drive through. Dont buy a morotcycle and bitch that you cant take your family of 7. Dont buy a Jeep and bitch that you dont like the accelleration.

My '12 is fast enough. I aint into drag racing. Almost everything out there is fast enough to pass me. But almost everything out there slows down to look at me (well...they look at my jeep...not at me)

I cruise 85mph on the toll roads near me. No problem. Ride 25mph on the gravel roads. No Problem. Wheel 1-2mph on rocky trails. No problem. Sit perfectly still on isolated hilltops and ridgelines. Nooooooooo ProblemS

I'm in no hurry.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:47 AM   #43
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Research should start about 15" above the front bumper. You'll find a single, four letter word. It says "Jeep"

It doesnt say porche. Wasnt built to be fast. Doesnt want to be fast. Couldnt win a race against a bowling ball.

But I'd like to see a 911 Carerra go wheeling.

Every tool has a task (not referring to the human at the wheel).

Choose the right vehicle for what you want.

Doesnt sound like you're a wrangler sort of person, and that is completely ok.

Kinda like the guy who rides a jacked-up F-550 with riser stacks and chrome bling...but no hitch. Its a waste. Or the guy who puts tiny wheels on their camero so thay can get quicker accelleration...but lower top-end. Its a waste. or a guy who puts a rear spoiler on their "Mystery-Maching" conversion van. waste(d).

Dont buy a corvette and bitch that you cant haul lumber. Dont buy a Chevy 3500 and bitch that you cant fit in a drive through. Dont buy a morotcycle and bitch that you cant take your family of 7. Dont buy a Jeep and bitch that you dont like the accelleration.

My '12 is fast enough. I aint into drag racing. Almost everything out there is fast enough to pass me. But almost everything out there slows down to look at me (well...they look at my jeep...not at me)

I cruise 85mph on the toll roads near me. No problem. Ride 25mph on the gravel roads. No Problem. Wheel 1-2mph on rocky trails. No problem. Sit perfectly still on isolated hilltops and ridgelines. Nooooooooo ProblemS

I'm in no hurry.
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Am I the only one that has zero issues with his AT JK with 3.21s on 33s?

I had a 4.0 TJ which was an absolute slug compared to my JK which might possibly cloud my perception but I'm a Mustang guy and power is really important to me and my JK seriously hauls ass. I do not tow or offroad so 3.73s would be an improvement for those that do I'm sure but I know I see no purpose to the added expense of regearing for my uses.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:07 AM   #45
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Dont buy a morotcycle and bitch that you cant take your family of 7.
Actually, it will hold at least 9.



On a related note, I have a 2013 with 3.21 gearing and auto. It has plenty of pep. It doesn't rocket off the line like my 1-liter sport bike or my Viper but it wasn't intended to be that way.

Some of these guys must have taken a test drive with the emergency brake on.
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I don't mind my 3.21. My on road acceleration doesn't bother me, the only time I begin to get a little upset is when I have to give it a little more gas while climbing something steep, but at the same time, I'm climbing these steep hills much better than a lot of the older jeeps I see attempting the same hill. The only time I'm going to hate having 3.21 is when I get my new tires, but by then I would regear anyways so 3.21 are totally fine for now.
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My '13 with an auto seems much faster than my '12 with the 6-speed did (3.21 in both). Probably because you had to shift the 6-speed slow like an old 1950s tractor.

Zero complaints here.
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Also the hill start assist was annoying. It came on by default on my '13. Took me a while to realize it was on. Much better with it off. Just another item to look for on a new one.
Turned that off straight away.
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I bought a 2 door six speed with the 3.73, I drove the auto and it didn't feel good, clunky. The manual is clunky as well but at least I know why. It has decent pep for what it is and the weight. The gear box does feel like shifting an old bread truck and at 3500 plus rpm in 2wd the motor sounds like it's going to explode, but in 4 low it is phenomenal.
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You guys do know that the auto has a manual mode, right? You can manually shift if you choose.

Except for low end torque, my 3.6 has more usable power than my 4.7 v8 did in my 01 WJ. So I don't know how people can say the new Wrangler is gutless. It's not a sports car and never will be one. So stop comparing it to Mustangs and Camaros. It's a go anywhere convertible vehicle... don't know of any other vehicles that even compete against it. It's in a category of it's own.
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BLK 2012 nailed it! Chopper, call back when you get it right. My 2013 2dr automatic is way faster than it needs to be.
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why to people post in troll threads?

damnit.. i just did.
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My '13 with an auto seems much faster than my '12 with the 6-speed did (3.21 in both). Probably because you had to shift the 6-speed slow like an old 1950s tractor.

Zero complaints here.
Shift slow? O_o
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I had test drove earlier years and didn't buy due to the motor.

The pentastar was the key to chrysler selling me a jeep.
Same here. I had a slow V6 full size truck (4.3 Chev) and was fine with something that slow for $15k OTD. I sure as heck wasn't paying 35k OTD for a slow vehicle. I now have a 2013 JKUR auto that I am quite pleased with.
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Thoughts?

My thoughts are you have never driven one.

Both the 3.21 and 3.73 are great with the 3.6. The auto (and I come from driving manuals) is one of the best I have driven.

Stick with the S10....
I agree! My auto 2012 with 3.21 rear end and the 3.6 engine has lots of get up and go. And, I am at 6600 feet in elevation most of the time. I had 3.73 gears and manual tranny on my last jeep and it was sluggish in comparison.
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2012 4.10 2-door. Not a speed demon but not gutless either. Now with 35s, it is becoming less great but the 2011 I drove was no fun at all. Report back when you do this right.
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Hey, I'm not a troll. It turns out it was a 2011, not a 2012 that I test drove. If I could fix the post title I would.

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Hey, I'm not a troll. It turns out it was a 2011, not a 2012 that I test drove. If I could fix the post title I would.

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my bad.. in that case, i'd agree. I test drove the 2011 and decided to wait until the 3.6L came out... very glad I did. With that being said, the 3.8L can be great with the right gearing, just probably not what the dealer is going to have on hand.
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Hey, I'm not a troll. It turns out it was a 2011, not a 2012 that I test drove. If I could fix the post title I would.

Charles.
No worries but it is an apples to oranges comparison between model years 2011 and 2012 and if you had really driven the 2012 you'd definitely understand why everyone is so incredulous. I'd love to get a 2nd JK (more specifically a JKU) but I know I would never be satisfied with the 3.8 knowing how great the 3.6 is and I can't afford two $25k+ vehicles at the moment!

Now ditch that S-10 and buy a new 2013!
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Test drive a 2012+ 2dr Rubi with the 4.10's and report back

If I could turn back time...

The 3.21's are horrible. Oh well, just means I will eventually re-gear to 4.56 or 4.88.

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