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Old 06-24-2011, 09:53 AM   #1
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TF 1.5 Performance Leveling Kit vs 1.75 Leveling Kit. Thoughts?

Was thinking of either installing the Teraflex 1.5" spring lift or the 1.75" spacer lift. Both come with new sway bar links and offer about the same height but I like the idea of getting new springs for the lift and removing my current 3/4" spacers. Thoughts or opinions on either of these? Possible advantages to an only spring lift vs the spacers?

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Either way, you'll probably want new shocks or shock extensions too.

If the price difference isn't important, I'd get the springs. Aside from my general (and totally unsupported) belief that properly sized springs are likely just a better overall idea than springs plus spacers, this would also allow you to keep your current set of spacers to reuse again later in the event you either (a) decide you want more lift down the line or (b) need to "re-level" after adding a bumper/winch.

By contrast, going with the puck leveling kit means you keep your likely relatively weak factory 2 door springs, and may have to redo the entire set up if the event you add a bumper/winch that causes a significant droop.

That's my two cents.

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I'd be happy to take the daystar 3/4's off your hands. Are they front and back?
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You will be happy with both I think but my concern with the spacer kit is the doubling of the front spacers to get the height specified in the kit. Also a benefit of the 1.5" coil leveling kit is that depending on your current stock coils; you will probably see more then 1.5". If you have real weak stock coils you may see as much a 2.5 to 3" lift. If you have stiff stock coils then you will see closer to 1.5 to 2" lift. Just by going from stock weak to stiff coils gains you 1.5 inches and most manufactures base their lift numbers on stiffest stock coil numbers because someone would be pissed if they added a 1.5" coil lift kit to their current stiff coils and only got 1" lift.

You will see exactly 1.75" on the spacer lift. For $180 you can buy the stock stiff coils from Mopar and put them on with the leveling kits and just have around $310 in it all is another option.
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I'm on the fence over this because money is tight and I wasn't planning on anything for the Jeep right now but you know how that goes. I like the idea of the springs only but it is a little shorter than the leveling kit with spacers from them. Not much but some. I don't think that's a deal breaker but I have heard that some lose a little height once the springs are settled or worn in? I got right at an inch with the daystar lift so if I went with the springs and then they settled I may not have really gained anything other than new springs in the height department over time. On the other hand, the 1.75" kit would be at least that much height without any loss over time.

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I'd be happy to take the daystar 3/4's off your hands. Are they front and back?
The spacers that I have daggo are front and rear and are pretty cheap. If you buy new and do it yourself then your looking at a grand total of a whopping $39.99. I would just get some new ones IMO.

MTH: Do you think the stock shocks would be a problem or a safety concern with the 1.5 or 1.75 kits? Hadn't thought about that being an issue.

Rics: Which stock stiffer springs are you talking about? Can you give me a link to them so I can check them out?
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I like the idea of the springs only but it is a little shorter than the leveling kit with spacers from them. Not much but some.
True true, BUT as Rick said a lot of coil lifts provide more than the advertised lift. I'd expect you'd get more boost out of the coils than the pucks. Maybe PM the TeraFlex rep here? I'm sure he's got plenty of anecdotal tales on how much lift that kit provides on a two door.

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I don't think that's a deal breaker but I have heard that some lose a little height once the springs are settled or worn in? I got right at an inch with the daystar lift so if I went with the springs and then they settled I may not have really gained anything other than new springs in the height department over time. On the other hand, the 1.75" kit would be at least that much height without any loss over time.
I have heard of settling, but I'd expect it'd at most settle down to about where the lift said it was going to be. In other words, it'll provide MORE lift than advertised at first, and then maybe settle into the advertised lift. And of course you can always throw those DayStar pucks back in.

Absent some posts here from folks who've used the spring kit, I really think the best play would be to PM TeraFlex. Until you do that, you're not really comparing apples to apples--instead, you're considering an exact 1.75" versus a kinda sorta 1.5" to 2" to 2.5" ish coil lift.
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MTH: Do you think the stock shocks would be a problem or a safety concern with the 1.5 or 1.75 kits? Hadn't thought about that being an issue.
I'd be nervous about your articulation.

But, in all fairness, the stock shocks should be able to handle some lift on account of the various spring stiffnesses offered (i.e., what Rick discussed). In theory, Daggo for example with his 19s and 60s is at a "stock" height even though he's got about a ~2" lift over how his Jeep was when he brought it home by installing 19s and 60s.

My concern would really be for the TeraFlex coil kit which, as Rick mentioned, I'd expect would actually boost you over 2" and maybe even 3" at least at first. If you stretch your stock shocks nearly 3" and then start flexing, you could have problems.

The extensions (see here) are cheap, btw.

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Rics: Which stock stiffer springs are you talking about? Can you give me a link to them so I can check them out?
I'll let him answer, but I understand him to be referring to the "HD coils" like he, Daggo, and myself have. The 19s and 60s and so on. You and I PMed about them a little while ago.
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Look under your Jeep and get the coil spring stock number off it. Hopefully it is still there. Should be a tag on the coils. The important number is the last two numbers (the actually last two digits is letters, ignore them, you want the last two numbers.

The front numbers should be somewhere around 12 to 19 with the higher the number the stiffer the coils and the rear should be around 53 to 60. My stock coils where 14 front and 55 rear and I saw 1.5" just by changing to stock stiffer 19/60 combo.
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Just PM'd Teraflex about both and several questions too. Regarding Rics point on stacking two spacers as shown in the 1.75 kit, not trying to be a smart a$$ but wouldn't TF have addressed this as a safety issue if it really was one? I would think they would be fine?

I'll go out here in a moment and get the spring info on my Jeep. They are stock springs with the tags on one of the fronts I think so it should be easy to tell.
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I would think they would have addressed it but then too they have been told about zirk fittings getting in the way on their lift and I would think they would have seen that when testing and they didn't. The only reason I mentioned it was in another recent thread someone was asking if they could stack spacers and that manufacture recommended not too. I assume Teraflex's spacers have some way of locking in to each other better at least I hope. But was just raising concerns because of that other thread which may only be related to that spacer and not these.
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Regarding Rics point on stacking two spacers as shown in the 1.75 kit, not trying to be a smart a$$ but wouldn't TF have addressed this as a safety issue if it really was one? I would think they would be fine?
I would too, but to Rick's point I haven't seen another company do it this way. Every other company recommends against stacking their spacers, and elects to sell a different size spacer for every quarter inch or so.

TeraFlex is the only one I've seen that has a lift that deliberately includes stacked spacers. Of course, they've presumably accounted for this in their design. And really, much like wheel spacers, folks use these things ALL THE TIME. Lord knows how many T-Flex leveling kits are out there. If there was a real problem, I think we'd be hearing about it.

That said though, if money was no object I'd go the coil route.
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Here was the thread I was talking about. But like you said why wouldn't they be safe if they sell them that way. But here was the thread that made me question this.

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That said though, if money was no object I'd go the coil route.
I like the idea of getting some purty new black coils too.
It may be the route I go with but I'm waiting for both Daystar and TF to respond to some things about each and my current lift. On a side note, my stock coils now look like they might be bowing some. There was another thread some time ago of a guy who put on the TF 1.75 kit and used Rubi springs with it too. His coils looked to be slightly bowing and several mentioned to him that they may be seated improperly.

Everything was done correctly for my current 3/4 lift and the coils I believe are seated correctly but it looks like the front left (if facing the Jeep) is a little off center. What I mean is that the bump stops look like they are a little to one side. After being at the dealer this afternoon and looking at several new Jeeps (sports, rubis, etc.) all new Jeeps bump stops are dead center in their coils so now I'm a bit tense about that too.
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IOn a side note, my stock coils now look like they might be bowing some. There was another thread some time ago of a guy who put on the TF 1.75 kit and used Rubi springs with it too. His coils looked to be slightly bowing and several mentioned to him that they may be seated improperly.

Everything was done correctly for my current 3/4 lift and the coils I believe are seated correctly but it looks like the front left (if facing the Jeep) is a little off center.
x2. Me too. Has a slight arch.

My totally unsupported theory is that the sway bar links are too short. I'll be picking up some longer ones when I order my winch, along with a 1.75" spacer to counteract the winch's weight. Hopefully that fixes it.
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x2. Me too. Has a slight arch.
Both coils arch, or just the drivers side?
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Both coils arch, or just the drivers side?
Both I think, though driver appears more pronounced. It's nowhere near as bad as your coils looked--that was your thread a while back. Did you ever get it resolved?
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I have the 1" Teraflex spacer on top of my stock stiffer coils and I got no bowing at all.
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Here are mine, had to use a picture I had because still don't have my Jeep back from the shop grrr. These where actually of my gussets but coils are in the picture

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Both I think, though driver appears more pronounced. It's nowhere near as bad as your coils looked--that was your thread a while back. Did you ever get it resolved?
No, but I recently installed the JKS adj. front track bar and centered the front axle. The sway link now does not touch the drivers side coil, but is very close.

Slight bow remains towards the front of the vehicle, drivers side.
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Here are mine, had to use a picture I had because still don't have my Jeep back from the shop grrr. These where actually of my gussets but coils are in the picture

Nice gussets...where'd you get those?
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Here are mine, had to use a picture I had because still don't have my Jeep back from the shop grrr. These where actually of my gussets but coils are in the picture
Bottom pic looks like it has a bow, but that may just be the photo . . . .
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No, but I recently installed the JKS adj. front track bar and centered the front axle. The sway link now does not touch the drivers side coil, but is very close.

Slight bow remains towards the front of the vehicle, drivers side.
Interesting. How much of the problem would you say the adjustable trackbar correct? 60%, 20%, 90%, etc.?
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Interesting. How much of the problem would you say the adjustable trackbar correct? 60%, 20%, 90%, etc.?
Bah...hard to say. 5-10 percent of the problem. I'll post some pics, one sec.
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Synergy Suspension Inner C Upper & Lower Gusset Kit

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Here ya go.
Looks like a big improvement over the original pics I recall you posting.

These recent pics reflect about how much bow I see in mine, though it's toward the center of the Jeep rather than toward the front.
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Yah, improvement for sure. Next, I will buy rear adj. track bar and center the rear axle. I assume this will have no effect on the front.
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My totally unsupported theory is that the sway bar links are too short.
Interesting theory about the sway bar links. The coils may have not shown any bow or arch until I wheeled after installing the lift and the sway bars were articulated or "flexed" some. Possibly the bars wanted to go further but the shorter stock sway links would not allow this causing the offset of the spring over time. If this is the case, I imagine it would not create a bigger problem but just looks a little different than a perfectly straight coil. If it's easy enough to fix by switching out the sway links to longer aftermarket ones (i.e. the ones shown in both kits mentioned above) that would be great!

I took some pics of mine and will put them up on here tonight to show. Can't while I'm at work. Oh and I guess being on WF while "working" would be frowned upon too.
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I've been reading some of the lift reviews on here and I'm starting to think that for the price of the 1.5 TF coil spring leveling kit at $399 I could do a BB with shocks, springs, and sway links etc. Hmm....
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No doubt. Can't beat the price of a small spacer lift. I bet you could drop a quarter inch and "recreate" that kit using offbrand odds and ends and save even more (ie, 1.75" offbrand fronts, keep your .75" DayStar rears, longer offbrand sway links, etc). Under $100 for that stuff. Those yellow OMEs might be calling you too!

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