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Old 06-08-2012, 08:24 PM   #31
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The more I read about the new changes the happier I am that I bought a 2010. It's been rock solid so far and the bugs were likely ironed out.
^^^^Amen. Same on my 2009. Sounds like more stuff to F-up when they haven't ironed all the bugs out of some of the 12s yet.

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Old 06-09-2012, 12:25 AM   #32
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The more I read about the new changes the happier I am that I bought a 2010. It's been rock solid so far and the bugs were likely ironed out.
I have a 2011 and soooo glad I have it with the proven 3.8 and 6 speed man. We are the new 4.0!!!

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Old 06-09-2012, 12:42 AM   #33
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But, who wants to be the first in line to buy an unproven, possibly bug-laden, new transmission that first year it's out?
Next month the 8-speed will be entering its 3rd model year for Chrysler, so far reliability has been excellent.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:22 AM   #34
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Next month the 8-speed will be entering its 3rd model year for Chrysler, so far reliability has been excellent.
Any chance you've got an inside track on which model year it's going to show up on the Wrangler?
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Yay, now everyone can brag about their "Jesus Tranny" like they did with the "Jesus Engine".
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:32 AM   #36
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I am going to give my 2011 another kiss. Slow, simple, debugged. I think the more "features" Chrysler adds to a utility vehicle like the Wrangler, the more trouble they are asking for. They seem to be taking it the way of the Hummer.
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I've been into Jeeps for a few decades know and I've learned that there are only TWO universal truths about Jeeps:
(1) A Jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) Owners of old Jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer Jeeps.

For every guy saying "Pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb For every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." For every guy with a 4.0, there is a AMC V8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." ON and on it goes.

People with older Jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good Jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of Wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:44 AM   #38
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They have no choice to make these upgrades. The new laws are making all car/jeep/truck manufactures make more fuel efficient vehicles. The MPG the laws require is almost nuts. It will probably be the end of the big muscle cars weve been seeing the last couple years but may actually finally bring a diesel Jeep in the US everyone has been waiting for. Were going to see a lot more 8 speeds with smaller engines and turbos or superchargers
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:35 AM   #39
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They have no choice to make these upgrades. The new laws are making all car/jeep/truck manufactures make more fuel efficient vehicles. The MPG the laws require is almost nuts. It will probably be the end of the big muscle cars weve been seeing the last couple years but may actually finally bring a diesel Jeep in the US everyone has been waiting for. Were going to see a lot more 8 speeds with smaller engines and turbos or superchargers
I know that some feel this way, but EPA regulations have forced manufacturers to make engines and cars more efficient and more powerful. 300HP and 250tq is available from 4 pots all day long.



Even a Camry will smoke nearly every muscle car from the 60s and 70s in a 0-60 race!
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Even a Camry will smoke nearly every muscle car from the 60s and 70s in a 0-60 race!
Yeah, but it'll look like a tool doing it.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:21 AM   #41
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I know that some feel this way, but EPA regulations have forced manufacturers to make engines and cars more efficient and more powerful. 300HP and 250tq is available from 4 pots all day long.



Even a Camry will smoke nearly every muscle car from the 60s and 70s in a 0-60 race!
That wasn't all due to the engine though. Terrible suspension, tires, transmissions, etc..
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Any chance you've got an inside track on which model year it's going to show up on the Wrangler?
Milous answered this in the 2012 Information tread:

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@Milous and @Pat...

Just saw the thread discussing 8-speed autos in 2013 and this article:Chrysler Introduces the 8 and 9-Speed Transmissions by 2013

It was a little difficult to tell in the article but it clearly says they are going into production and the wrangler is one of the vehicles getting the upgrade. Does that mean we will see 8-speed autos available for the 2013 Wrangler line??


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Definitely not. Domestic production of the 8-speed will not begin until near the end of the year. After that it will take awhile to ramp up production. All of the initial units will be going into vehicles that already have it (300/Charger) and then allocated for the 2013 Ram and 2014 Grand Cherokee (the 2014 GC launches early so it will be taking a lot of the 8-sp capacity). It may not make it into the Wrangler until the generation changeover, I'd have to check into that.

Sounds like it's going to be a while.
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But, who wants to be the first in line to buy an unproven, possibly bug-laden, new transmission that first year it's out?
<cough> Pentastar <cough>

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If it won't make it in until the next generation, that is fine with me. A well geared, 5 speed auto (if I don't go stick), is more than satisfactory.
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<cough> pentastar <cough>

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If it won't make it in until the next generation, that is fine with me. A well geared, 5 speed auto (if I don't go stick), is more than satisfactory.
Just means I may end up buying yet another Jeep in 4 years. I can live with that.
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I know that some feel this way, but EPA regulations have forced manufacturers to make engines and cars more efficient and more powerful. 300HP and 250tq is available from 4 pots all day long.



Even a Camry will smoke nearly every muscle car from the 60s and 70s in a 0-60 race!
There getting 300hp from 4 pots because of turbos just as I was saying.

The muscle cars I was referring to are the new ones not from the 60's or 70's. The new Shelby is 650hp+ with a 5.8L engine. This new engine wont be around long with the new laws getting tougher and tougher each year. In 6 years a Wrangler will probably be getting 25-30 MPG's
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I've been into Jeeps for a few decades know and I've learned that there are only TWO universal truths about Jeeps:
(1) A Jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) Owners of old Jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer Jeeps.

For every guy saying "Pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb For every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." For every guy with a 4.0, there is a AMC V8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." ON and on it goes.

People with older Jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good Jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of Wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
Beautifully said, Amen!
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I've been into Jeeps for a few decades know and I've learned that there are only TWO universal truths about Jeeps:
(1) A Jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) Owners of old Jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer Jeeps.

For every guy saying "Pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb For every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." For every guy with a 4.0, there is a AMC V8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." ON and on it goes.

People with older Jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good Jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of Wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
And don't forget there are those who will always say Unlimiteds aren't real Jeeps, or they're minivans, soccermom-mobiles, etc. etc.
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And don't forget there are those who will always say Unlimiteds aren't real Jeeps...
Nah, that won't change.
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Nah, that won't change.
And that's just fine, because I think a modded JKU looks far better than a modded 2dr!

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I know that some feel this way, but EPA regulations have forced manufacturers to make engines and cars more efficient and more powerful. 300HP and 250tq is available from 4 pots all day long.

Even a Camry will smoke nearly every muscle car from the 60s and 70s in a 0-60 race!
A camry will not be smoking my 71 firebird.
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A camry will not be smoking my 71 firebird.
Praise allah! Love classic pontiacs : )
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And that's just fine, because I think a modded JKU looks far better than a modded 2dr!

And that's why they sell 4 doors.
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It's funny because a bunch of people bought an unproven, possibly bug-laden, new transmission that first year it was out AND an unproven, possibly bug-laden, new engine (modified for wrangler) that first year it was out in 2012.
not a new tranny . [NAG 1]
maybe a new bellhousing & case.
but the tranny itself has been out quite a while and has proven itself.

the 3.6 has passed the one million mark
and contrary to forum posts has had a low failure rate for the number of the vehicles out there.
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And that's why they sell 4 doors.
Jeep sells the 4dr because they realized there was an untapped market out there. There were a lot of people out there who were forced to pass on the Wrangler because of its lack of space. I'll even go so far as to credit the Unlimited with being the reason Wrangler sales have increased exponentially since its introduction.

Despite Chrysler's reputation being pretty bad, they've been the pioneers for not only some great mechanical ideas but great styling ideas as well.

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not a new tranny . [NAG 1]
maybe a new bellhousing & case.
but the tranny itself has been out quite a while and has proven itself.

the 3.6 has passed the one million mark
and contrary to forum posts has had a low failure rate for the number of the vehicles out there.
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Yay, now everyone can brag about their "Jesus Tranny" like they did with the "Jesus Engine".
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Jeep sells the 4dr because they realized there was an untapped market out there. There were a lot of people out there who were forced to pass on the Wrangler because of its lack of space. I'll even go so far as to credit the Unlimited with being the reason Wrangler sales have increased exponentially since its introduction.

Despite Chrysler's reputation being pretty bad, they've been the pioneers for not only some great mechanical ideas but great styling ideas as well.
Yes, all those head replacements have become yet another thorn in Chrysler's head...

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Praise allah! Love classic pontiacs : )
So do I let's just put turbo 400 3speed trannys in all jeeps and call it a day

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