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Old 06-10-2012, 12:20 PM   #61
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Jeep sells the 4dr because they realized there was an untapped market out there. There were a lot of people out there who were forced to pass on the Wrangler because of its lack of space. I'll even go so far as to credit the Unlimited with being the reason Wrangler sales have increased exponentially since its introduction...
I completely agree, they would be stupid to not make vehicles that people wanted to buy. Look at the product line - lots of variety for all kinds of wants and desires.
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I completely agree, they would be stupid to not make vehicles that people wanted to buy. Look at the product line - lots of variety for all kinds of wants and desires.
A lot of people, especially the purists, may not like the JKU, and I'll go so far as to say I didn't like it either, but the more I saw them, the more I warmed up to them.

When I first started looking at Jeeps, I focused on the 2dr...until I saw how little space there was in the back seat and trunk area, that is. After looking directly to my right at the JKU sitting on the other side and peering through the window, I said to myself, "WHOA, now wait a minute! THIS may work!"

I was on the fence about a Jeep after discovering the lack of room in the 2dr model and would have probably wound up in a Ford F-150 Crew Cab, had it not been for the JKU. The additional room in the JKU sealed the deal for me. Had it not been for the JKU, I'd disappointingly be driving something else.
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These two we have now make 5 jeeps I've owned in my lifetime. If they hadn't introduced the jku I wouldn't have one anymore. We have twin girls. We both work aircraft maintenance for the government. Bc of our work schedules we never know who's gonna have to pick up kids, groceries, etc.

The jku is perfect for us bc we can still enjoy our hobby and not have to keep a 3rd vehicle just to have something to haul groceries.

We put his lift in Friday and took them out together for the first time yesterday. We had a blast. These things and every bit jeep. They did everything we asked of em and I have no doubt they could've done more. But we did have kids along so we had to be careful.
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...I was on the fence about a Jeep after discovering the lack of room in the 2dr model and would have probably wound up in a Ford F-150 Crew Cab, had it not been for the JKU. The additional room in the JKU sealed the deal for me. Had it not been for the JKU, I'd disappointingly be driving something else.
I agree, and for years I drove a crew cab, mini-van, or larger car to accommodate my family. The truck was great with the family - we had a slide in camper and since it was a 4x4 we could take it off the main roads (gotta watch out for headroom clearance though). The mini-vans were great for hauling around town and long vacation trips.

Now that the family is all grown up, and there’s just my wife and myself we finally got a Jeep. Took the back seat out so there’s room for all the equipment we need for wheeling with friends or camping.

If the JKU came out 15 years ago I don’t know if I would have purchased it? It couldn’t have replaced the pickup and wouldn’t be a good replacement for the mini-van. OTOH - if we had the money, it would have made a nice extra vehicle we could have used as a family for off-roading - better the than the pickup was.
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A lot of people, especially the purists, may not like the JKU, and I'll go so far as to say I didn't like it either, but the more I saw them, the more I warmed up to them.

... The additional room in the JKU sealed the deal for me. Had it not been for the JKU, I'd disappointingly be driving something else.
The expedition types (vs. technical off-roaders - rock crawlers,) really seem to prefer the four-door unlimited over the two-door, and everything else!

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Is "debugged" the word that makes the guys with the old engine tell themselves so they can sleep at night?

Seriously, so there was one bad batch of heads, that the dealers fixed with new ones; the was some of you talk it effected 1 out of 2 Wranglers out there.

Percentage wise it was probably around 1%. The rest of us have the 3.6 and LOVE it. More power, more torque, better gas mileage.

I guess when you have a product that is inferior in just about every way you have to find a way to put down the better product. I never got that mentality. I don't sit here and bash the 3.8. There is no point. I just look at the facts. Less horsepower, less torque, been out longer and reliable. Then I look at the new engine. Better numbers and has been great with the exception of a bad batch of heads.

I've driven both. 99% who do would pick the newer engine. The 1% that don't have the weird mentality that it isn't the old one so it somehow has to be bad.....
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...I guess when you have a product that is inferior in just about every way you have to find a way to put down the better product. I never got that mentality. I don't sit here and bash the 3.8...
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not really the same. you'd traverse the first 5 gears in low, then pull the lever into high and go back into 1st for for 6th and then 2nd for 7th etc. the transfer box isn't design for that. you can't even shift in and out of low above 3mph
That's what the red button by the gear shifter knob was for. I remember using it to shift from one set of gears to the next when I got fast enough, splitting the gears, as it were on a two-speed axle. This was some Ford, maybe a 1960s F700 or a Chevy C70? It didn't look like the 70s C70, though... I can't remember if it was a straight shift, like button-down in 3rd gear, off accel, button-up, clutch in, and shift into 4th (where 1st gear would normally be). I don't remember. It was early 80s by the time I was driving it.
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I've been into Jeeps for a few decades know and I've learned that there are only TWO universal truths about Jeeps:
(1) A Jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) Owners of old Jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer Jeeps.

For every guy saying "Pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb For every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." For every guy with a 4.0, there is a AMC V8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." ON and on it goes.

People with older Jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good Jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of Wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
From a long term multi-Jeep owner, well said.
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The expedition types (vs. technical off-roaders - rock crawlers,) really seem to prefer the four-door unlimited over the two-door, and everything else!

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The expedition types (vs. technical off-roaders - rock crawlers,) really seem to prefer the four-door unlimited over the two-door, and everything else!

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I followed the links in the article, and this is a bit strange, but interesting: ::: Jeep® ActionCamper© - expedition ready slide-on camper - JK Wrangler Unlimited / by Thaler Design :::
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I guess when you have a product that is inferior in just about every way you have to find a way to put down the better product. I never got that mentality. I don't sit here and bash the 3.8.
Uh, you just did bash it.

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I've driven both. 99% who do would pick the newer engine.
Care to post a link to the source of that statistic?

Drive what you like. It is a Wrangler after all.
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Uh, you just did bash it.



Care to post a link to the source of that statistic?

Drive what you like. It is a Wrangler after all.
Drove both. I took the Pentastar. Consider me one of the "99%."

It's hard to argue with more power and less fuel consumption. As for the notorious "tick," I'm not worried about it, as the vehicle has a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it, which includes the engine. If something happens, it'll be covered.
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On the JKU:

I've always loved Jeeps but never really had the opportunity to buy one. Now I'm heading into my 3rd Jeep in 4 years. Had an 1983 CJ that I loved to death, but spent more time wrenching than wheeling and didn't feel safe taking the kid in the back. Sold it and bought an 2007 JK bar bones and built it up. Doesn't even have A/C. Love the hell out of it, but using it as a daily driver is a pain. I had another car, but I couldn't stand not driving my Jeep everywhere so I sold it. Now my son is almost 8 and my friends all want to go along for back country camping and I don't find myself doing a lot of technical crawling. And I wear a suit to work and am tired of vinyl seats and no A/C, and the doors come off on the weekends but during the week I'd ruin my work clothes. So I'm planning on selling this one and getting a new loaded JKUR.

I'm going to miss the 2 door as much as I miss my CJ. If I had my way, I'd have a barn full of Jeeps from every era. That being said, I'd put up with the lack of space to own a Jeep, but I'm damn glad they made a JKU and I'll be changing over because it suits my current needs (hauling friends and family and camping gear into the remote wilderness).

Moral of the story is, the Wrangler is 70 years of awesome machine and there's not an era or configuration that I don't respect and wouldn't want to own. I hate the infighting and smack-talking from one era to the next or vice versa. That's what FJs are for.
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Drive what you like. It is a Wrangler after all.

No, I didn't bash it. I didn't say it was a POS, I said it was inferior to the Pentastar. That is, going by the numbers, factual. You seem to have an incorrect assumption on what the word inferior means.

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Statistic? Don't have one besides everyone I know who drove both likes the newer engine. It comes down to how many people. given the choice, will pick the engine with less power and worse gas mileage? It's common sense.
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No, I didn't bash it. I didn't say it was a POS, I said it was inferior to the Pentastar. That is, going by the numbers, factual. You seem to have an incorrect assumption on what the word inferior means.

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Statistic? Don't have one besides everyone I know who drove both likes the newer engine. It comes down to how many people. given the choice, will pick the engine with less power and worse gas mileage? It's common sense.
Our personal experience agrees with this. While we have no qualms with our 2011 rubi, the performance of the pentastar is nicer in our opinion. Granted taking them on the trail both feel quite capable and we have no plans of replacing either for years to come.
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As always as soon as you buy something there will be a newer better version coming out. I will enjoy mine until I feel like getting rid of it or until the wheels fall off.

Here is my favorite commercial about this theme. Enjoy!

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Glad you guys love your Jeeps. I'll still wave to you! Well that is if my inferior 3.8 can muster up enough speed to make it onto the road.
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i've been into jeeps for a few decades know and i've learned that there are only two universal truths about jeeps:
(1) a jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) owners of old jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer jeeps.

For every guy saying "pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb for every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." for every guy with a 4.0, there is a amc v8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." on and on it goes.

People with older jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
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No, I didn't bash it. I didn't say it was a POS, I said it was inferior to the Pentastar. That is, going by the numbers, factual. You seem to have an incorrect assumption on what the word inferior means.

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Statistic? Don't have one besides everyone I know who drove both likes the newer engine. It comes down to how many people. given the choice, will pick the engine with less power and worse gas mileage? It's common sense.
Not necessarily. I'll take a GM first generation smallblock over an LSx engine any day. Those smallblocks had over 50 years of R&D behind them. How many years of R&D did an LSx engine have behind it?

That being said, I drove a 3.8L and a 3.6L Pentastar. I don't find either one to be all that quick so it really didn't matter all that much to me. Given a choice, I would choose the Pentastar again.
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Wow, 9 - speed?

In town it seems like I am constantly shifting with a 6 - speed.

I rember my first Jeep = 3 speed on the column and it worked fine for me.

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Not sure about the 8-speed, but diesel = new jkus for me day one its out.
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Not necessarily. I'll take a GM first generation smallblock over an LSx engine any day. Those smallblocks had over 50 years of R&D behind them. How many years of R&D did an LSx engine have behind it?

That being said, I drove a 3.8L and a 3.6L Pentastar. I don't find either one to be all that quick so it really didn't matter all that much to me. Given a choice, I would choose the Pentastar again.

That's cool, I guess I just don't know why you'd take R&D over more horsepower and torque.

I mean, you're not going to feel R&D while driving down the road. Also, you have to remember that the R&D that went into the small block wasn't just thrown out the window. the stuff they learned from the small block was transferred over into the newer engines.

For example, I was in an 85 corvette. 350 smallblock that, put out around 230 horsepower. Our new 2012 Grand Sport vette has a small block that puts out 436HP. Why would you take the older, inferior engine? Plus, the R&D helped the small block get to where it is today, it wasn't wasted.
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Not sure about the 8-speed, but diesel = new jkus for me day one its out.
yeah id probably order a manual when it happens. Chrysler might do it some day. I'm not holding my breath but it will mean a 2 door rubi with every possible option when they do. it will be the last vechile I ever buy.
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That's cool, I guess I just don't know why you'd take R&D over more horsepower and torque.

I mean, you're not going to feel R&D while driving down the road. Also, you have to remember that the R&D that went into the small block wasn't just thrown out the window. the stuff they learned from the small block was transferred over into the newer engines.

For example, I was in an 85 corvette. 350 smallblock that, put out around 230 horsepower. Our new 2012 Grand Sport vette has a small block that puts out 436HP. Why would you take the older, inferior engine? Plus, the R&D helped the small block get to where it is today, it wasn't wasted.
I may not "feel" R&D but I know for a fact a 350ci is as reliable as they come, not to mention the HUGE aftermarket for them. How'bout the ease of working on them? Technology is a wonderful thing until it breaks...
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yeah id probably order a manual when it happens. Chrysler might do it some day. I'm not holding my breath but it will mean a 2 door rubi with every possible option when they do. it will be the last vechile I ever buy.
I dont know if it will or not. I hope it does. If it does happen I'll be ready. A good habit I have been into since I have been driving is a savings account for automotive related events like getting repair work done or using that fund as a down payment for a new vehicle if I dont have to dipp into that fund. I saved up 7 or 8 grand during the 3 years I had my last vehicle. I didnt need any repair work so all that went down on the Jeep.
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Close mindedness is the opposite of logical thinking.

Nope. I love it when I hear new things happening with the Wrangler. Who wouldn't want more power and fuel economy? More comfort? Better all-around performance and quality is always a good thing to me.

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