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Old 12-22-2016, 07:26 PM   #871
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Funny. I have used FF on salt water jet skis, and has worked well.
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Might have missed it in the 30 thread pages, but what is the washing technique for mid-winter/salt removal with FF on the undercarriage?

For example, you spray FF end of Fall before it gets cold, cars all washed, waxed and ready. December comes around, the first snow storm hits, and they lay enough salt down here in Michigan to melt the polar ice caps thousands of miles away. At this point, anytime you drive, the car gets another light coating of a tasty salt spray.

When it's cold, it's impractical to think that you could spray the undercarriage down with a garden hose, let it dry and do a quick touch up FF spray every trip out. Should you just wait until Spring and then power wash with soap, let dry and reapply FF? Or use a garden hose to rinse off periodically throughout winter with no reapplication of FF? Seems like a catch-22 where the more you rinse the undercarriage to keep salt off, the more the FF gets washed off, but if you don't rinse in order to try and keep as much of the FF intact as possible, then you're letting the salt coating just sit there.

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Might have missed it in the 30 thread pages, but what is the washing technique for mid-winter/salt removal with FF on the undercarriage?

For example, you spray FF end of Fall before it gets cold, cars all washed, waxed and ready. December comes around, the first snow storm hits, and they lay enough salt down here in Michigan to melt the polar ice caps thousands of miles away. At this point, anytime you drive, the car gets another light coating of a tasty salt spray.

When it's cold, it's impractical to think that you could spray the undercarriage down with a garden hose, let it dry and do a quick touch up FF spray every trip out. Should you just wait until Spring and then power wash with soap, let dry and reapply FF? Or use a garden hose to rinse off periodically throughout winter with no reapplication of FF? Seems like a catch-22 where the more you rinse the undercarriage to keep salt off, the more the FF gets washed off, but if you don't rinse in order to try and keep as much of the FF intact as possible, then you're letting the salt coating just sit there.
I rinse the under carriage best i can in winter with no reapplication at all. The FF stays in place, Spring clean-up is usually just a better spray job.
I reapply (touch-up) ln the Fall.
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I rinse the under carriage best i can in winter with no reapplication at all. The FF stays in place, Spring clean-up is usually just a better spray job.
I reapply (touch-up) ln the Fall.
Ahh good to know.

Also, how long does the smell last if you spray inside your door panels? I would say the smell lasted outside of the vehicle from spraying the undercarriage for 1-2 weeks. That's in an open environment. I'm worried that the smell will be contained and last a lot longer inside the door panels.
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Ahh good to know.

Also, how long does the smell last if you spray inside your door panels? I would say the smell lasted outside of the vehicle from spraying the undercarriage for 1-2 weeks. That's in an open environment. I'm worried that the smell will be contained and last a lot longer inside the door panels.
Wow. You either got the really stinky sheep formula or you have a very sensitive nose. My Wife smelled it longer than I did but, I say a few Days - not weeks.
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Just got my pack of "ammo" in and did a coating of 2 cans. I have two more cans left, but to my (untrained) eyes... There's not a lot that I wasn't able to cover. I mean I didn't completely drench everything, but I think I got most of the under belly coated with just the two cans. Focused mainly on the bolts, springs, anything that has creases or seams.

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Just got my pack of "ammo" in and did a coating of 2 cans. I have two more cans left, but to my (untrained) eyes... There's not a lot that I wasn't able to cover. I mean I didn't completely drench everything, but I think I got most of the under belly coated with just the two cans. Focused mainly on the bolts, springs, anything that has creases or seams.

Congrats! and yes, you can (in fact) get a lot covered with two(2) cans.
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Congrats! and yes, you can (in fact) get a lot covered with two(2) cans.
Oh and Don't get any on your hands! Boy this stuff is hard to get the smell out! I used Dial hand soap, Sun Dish Soap, and Lysol hand disinfectant and there's still a slight aroma!
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Oh and Don't get any on your hands! Boy this stuff is hard to get the smell out! I used Dial hand soap, Sun Dish Soap, and Lysol hand disinfectant and there's still a slight aroma!
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I don't wash mine underneath or the wheels all winter. The stuff is that good.

I was curious how it worked on my polished aluminum wheels last winter, so I sprayed them and let the salt have at it, since I was getting new tires and wheels in the spring. They actually turned a nasty looking brownish gray color over the course of the winter.

Washed them and polished them in the spring and they looked just as good as when I sprayed the FF on them.
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After a day and a half, it still seems a bit.. wet. Is this normal? Unfortunately I think having warmer weather would have been more ideal, as it's only 41 here currently for the next few days.




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[QUOTE=Coyote_Tango;28482058]After a day and a half, it still seems a bit.. wet. Is this normal? Unfortunately I think having warmer weather would have been more ideal, as it's only 41 here currently for the next few days.


That is the perfectly normal, it will not dry. Thats the way its going to be.

2 cans? I used close to a full gallon. I sprayed inside the frame, doors, rocker panels, tail gate, front fenders, rear fenders and of course the entire underside.
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2 cans will do the frame and suspension. When you get "the Whole Jeep" yes you'll use much more.
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Might have missed it in the 30 thread pages, but what is the washing technique for mid-winter/salt removal with FF on the undercarriage?

For example, you spray FF end of Fall before it gets cold, cars all washed, waxed and ready. December comes around, the first snow storm hits, and they lay enough salt down here in Michigan to melt the polar ice caps thousands of miles away. At this point, anytime you drive, the car gets another light coating of a tasty salt spray.

When it's cold, it's impractical to think that you could spray the undercarriage down with a garden hose, let it dry and do a quick touch up FF spray every trip out. Should you just wait until Spring and then power wash with soap, let dry and reapply FF? Or use a garden hose to rinse off periodically throughout winter with no reapplication of FF? Seems like a catch-22 where the more you rinse the undercarriage to keep salt off, the more the FF gets washed off, but if you don't rinse in order to try and keep as much of the FF intact as possible, then you're letting the salt coating just sit there.
It is a catch-22. That's why I coat it on very, very thick on a hot day before winter. Hot day so it can really creep into any nooks and crannies I may have missed. But I try to get it everywhere, and I do mean thick. Then, in the winter, I don't wash underneath the Jeep at all. Maybe the fender wells if it is an eyesore in there.

It just seems counter-productive to wash off salt because you're washing off the stuff that keeps the salt off of the metal at the same time. So I just do a good job coating with Fluid Film so I don't need to wash the underside until after winter.

Also, you need oxygen and water to rust the metal, so even if you spray the fluid film OVER salt that is already on there, you're protecting the Jeep, because while the film will trap the salt, it will displace the water and keep oxygen out - so no rust.

Edit: I should say also that there are areas where fluid film will get largely washed away if you drive through water/rain a lot (frequent occurrence here in PA in the winter). Like the front of the axles/diff, front and rear outward-facing sides of the frame by the bumpers - anything low and/or exposed. Those spots I simply spray again when I'm under the Jeep doing regular maintenance throughout the winter. I don't bother washing them first. It seems to be doing the trick so far! I apply with the gun and touch-up with the aerosol cans and pale + paint brush.
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It is a catch-22. That's why I coat it on very, very thick on a hot day before winter. Hot day so it can really creep into any nooks and crannies I may have missed. But I try to get it everywhere, and I do mean thick. Then, in the winter, I don't wash underneath the Jeep at all. Maybe the fender wells if it is an eyesore in there.

It just seems counter-productive to wash off salt because you're washing off the stuff that keeps the salt off of the metal at the same time. So I just do a good job coating with Fluid Film so I don't need to wash the underside until after winter.

Also, you need oxygen and water to rust the metal, so even if you spray the fluid film OVER salt that is already on there, you're protecting the Jeep, because while the film will trap the salt, it will displace the water and keep oxygen out - so no rust.


Edit: I should say also that there are areas where fluid film will get largely washed away if you drive through water/rain a lot (frequent occurrence here in PA in the winter). Like the front of the axles/diff, front and rear outward-facing sides of the frame by the bumpers - anything low and/or exposed. Those spots I simply spray again when I'm under the Jeep doing regular maintenance throughout the winter. I don't bother washing them first. It seems to be doing the trick so far! I apply with the gun and touch-up with the aerosol cans and pale + paint brush.
I agree with this. I put mine on super thick- I buy a gallon can and ended up using half of it, so a can lasts two years. The thicker the better, just spray it everywhere. Last year, I was still seeing the stuff even into the spring. And I also live in SW PA.

You don't really need to wash it at all, but I will take the hose, set to shower (or something without much force), and gently spray underneath every once in awhile.
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You don't really need to wash it at all, but I will take the hose, set to shower (or something without much force), and gently spray underneath every once in awhile.
Funny you say this because I did a very scientific test yesterday to see how well FF stuck after rinsing with this setting. It's been 3 months since application and most is still stuck on. I wiped my finger across a few different parts under the rear to get a baseline, rinsed it off using the "shower" setting on the hose sprayer, waited a couple hours for it to 75% drip dry, then wiped my finger again.

Results? Rinsing it didn't really take any of the FF off. It seemed a tad less thick, but maybe only a 10% decrease.


So in general it sounds like 1) lay it on thick, 2) don't do much over the winter except lightly rinse with water if you're really itching to do something, and 3) periodic touchup throughout winter on high exposure areas
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Funny you say this because I did a very scientific test yesterday to see how well FF stuck after rinsing with this setting. It's been 3 months since application and most is still stuck on. I wiped my finger across a few different parts under the rear to get a baseline, rinsed it off using the "shower" setting on the hose sprayer, waited a couple hours for it to 75% drip dry, then wiped my finger again.



Results? Rinsing it didn't really take any of the FF off. It seemed a tad less thick, but maybe only a 10% decrease.





So in general it sounds like 1) lay it on thick, 2) don't do much over the winter except lightly rinse with water if you're really itching to do something, and 3) periodic touchup throughout winter on high exposure areas


Good to know. I'm going to try this next week, thanks.


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Good to know. I'm going to try this next week, thanks.
Good luck! I also want to say that even though the FF remained mostly intact while rinsing with shower setting, a lot of the gritty dirt specs trapped in the FF also stayed.
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I'm from the spray it on a warm day and apply it thick camp too. I spray it with a texture that looks like ice cream melting. Then hit it with another coat within a couple of months before the winter sets in. Then touch it up as needed.
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I'm from the spray it on a warm day and apply it thick camp too. I spray it with a texture that looks like ice cream melting. Then hit it with another coat within a couple of months before the winter sets in. Then touch it up as needed.
Yup, that's exactly what I do. On thick on a hot day, then one more time before winter because OCD. Then touch up high-exposure areas as needed during the winter.

It ain't pretty (like you said, ice cream melting lol), especially once crud starts to accumulate. But so far it is doing its job very well.
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Yup, that's exactly what I do. On thick on a hot day, then one more time before winter because OCD. Then touch up high-exposure areas as needed during the winter.

It ain't pretty (like you said, ice cream melting lol), especially once crud starts to accumulate. But so far it is doing its job very well.
OCD, you suffer from it too? LOL

In all honesty I can live with the crud, it's rust and rot that would drive me nuts.
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Funny you say this because I did a very scientific test yesterday to see how well FF stuck after rinsing with this setting. It's been 3 months since application and most is still stuck on. I wiped my finger across a few different parts under the rear to get a baseline, rinsed it off using the "shower" setting on the hose sprayer, waited a couple hours for it to 75% drip dry, then wiped my finger again.

Results? Rinsing it didn't really take any of the FF off. It seemed a tad less thick, but maybe only a 10% decrease.


So in general it sounds like 1) lay it on thick, 2) don't do much over the winter except lightly rinse with water if you're really itching to do something, and 3) periodic touchup throughout winter on high exposure areas
What you say is pretty much what I do. Although I don't bother with the mid winter touchups- too lazy and cold! I was still seeing FF on there in the spring. It looked a more dried, but when I really hosed it off after winter was over, water was still really beading off. And my finger still wiped it off.

I gave mine a rinse the other day after a bit of a storm and a lot of salt was on the Jeep, and when I went under to rinse, it really was already pretty clean. So it really does the job with nothing else required. So the rinsing may not really be needed- I think in my case its more for any spots I may have missed.
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Oh- and one other thing- I don't think you can get it thick enough just buying the spray cans. Unless you buy WAY more than 6 that I keep seeing. I had a spare can that came with my gallon kit, and I went through that like nothing doing a door or something, compared to the compressor where I was layering it on. The stuff is really thick.
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Oh- and one other thing- I don't think you can get it thick enough just buying the spray cans. Unless you buy WAY more than 6 that I keep seeing. I had a spare can that came with my gallon kit, and I went through that like nothing doing a door or something, compared to the compressor where I was layering it on. The stuff is really thick.
I agree with this, if you want it thick then the pales and a spray gun are the way to go.
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I agree with this, if you want it thick then the pales and a spray gun are the way to go.
That has been my experience as well. I used an airless sprayer and an undercoating gun to get all the inner panels and found that gave me the best results.
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I rinse the under carriage best i can in winter with no reapplication at all. The FF stays in place, Spring clean-up is usually just a better spray job.
I reapply (touch-up) ln the Fall.
My FF dealer said not to spray it and stay away from under car wash sprays??? Thoughts
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My FF dealer said not to spray it and stay away from under car wash sprays??? Thoughts
I have. I don't over-do it but, I wash my Jeep and that includes spraying the under carriage.
I drive in the rain and puddles too.... I don't see the difference.
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My FF dealer said not to spray it and stay away from under car wash sprays??? Thoughts
I agree with him, unless you just can't stand the crud or you want to remove it to work on it, there isn't much reason to wash underneath in the winter. Lots of mud/crap coats in my fender wells and sometimes I can't stand it anymore and wash there. Sometimes the bottom outermost part of the tubs too. I then recoat them. This, I think, is just OCD. lol
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Easy enough experiment to prove my point. Pick a spot (fender well, outer frame rail, etc) spray the hell out of it and see what happens.

Crud will be gone and you'll see water beads on top of a slightly shiney black greasy looking surface.
That's your FF.
Try it.

Let me know what happens....
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Easy enough experiment to prove my point. Pick a spot (fender well, outer frame rail, etc) spray the hell out of it and see what happens.

Crud will be gone and you'll see water beads on top of a slightly shiney black greasy looking surface.
That's your FF.
Try it.

Let me know what happens....
I'm going to do this and look for beading water. Maybe find some scrap metal and try it on that, see if it rusts after. I've always put it on so thick that I felt like I was removing the protection when I'd spray and that thick goo I put on was gone.

I want to figure out how well it creeps, and exactly how thick of a coat I actually need to apply to get all-winter protection. Right now I just put it on THICK, but maybe that's unnecessary. If I do any experiments I'll try to document it and post results.

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