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Old 03-05-2011, 04:24 PM   #1
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The green future of the Jeep wrangler.

Why do i get this weird feeling alot of you are scared of a possible electric jeep? I for one welcome our future electric/hydrogen overlords.

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of driving offroad (when i say offroad i mean REAL offroading , not driving through 6 inch deep puddles and MAYBE a hump in the road) , but most people who do serious offroading build their own vehicles for that purpose , i mean shoot why offroad in a pitiful jeep if you can can roll around in a 427 strapped to a metal cage and a seat.

Besides... we all know the real reason we bought a jeep , and it wasnt the fact that it was an off road machine.... The reason for 90% of wrangler purchases (like it or not , and i know you wont like it) is because its the only open air SUV on the market. People like to drive with the top off , thats why they get jeeps , the offroading is just another egg in the basket.

Here is my point. Like it or not gas is getting really really expensive again. I was seriously considering getting a jeep until around the past 6 months of the country not having a leader that would secure domestic oil. I cant justify buying a vehicle (no matter how awesome or fun to drive) when it will cost me 3 dollars to accelerate after a red light. I am hoping the pentastar makes purchasing a jeep more of a reality for me but even then it will only be a 4 -5 mpg gain realisticaly.

What we need is a jeep that can hit 40 to 50 mpg , weather it be a hybrid or an all electric. Jeep needs an open air vehicle that can let people enjoy the outdoors without worrying about mortgaging their house to fill up the tank.

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im not sure if youve noticed but majority of the hybrids on the road are japanese made (toyota and lexus), yea ford has some, but japanese are the best at it, leave it up to them, yea gas is expensive, so dont buy a car that drinks a shot of gas and chases it with a shot of gas, if your going to complain about it, buy a honda civic, enjoy getting stuck in .5 inches of snow and getting pushed out. If you buy a jeep and complain about the gas, your never going to enjoy it, its like buying a dog and complaining about walking it...buy it and enjoy, or, buy something else, like a honda civic, or a gold fish...but a wrangler hybrid? come on
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My wife has a Honda CRV that does excellent on gas. At least 25mpg. We live in New England so the Honda stays right where it belongs.. in the driveway, getting even better gas mileage by not moving. In the mean time we are putting gas in the Jeep and not getting stuck.
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im not sure if youve noticed but majority of the hybrids on the road are japanese made (toyota and lexus), yea ford has some, but japanese are the best at it, leave it up to them, yea gas is expensive, so dont buy a car that drinks a shot of gas and chases it with a shot of gas, if your going to complain about it, buy a honda civic, enjoy getting stuck in .5 inches of snow and getting pushed out. If you buy a jeep and complain about the gas, your never going to enjoy it, its like buying a dog and complaining about walking it...buy it and enjoy, or, buy something else, like a honda civic, or a gold fish...but a wrangler hybrid? come on
I dont really see your logic , you are saying that chrysler should not make an electric jeep because they are not japanese and are not honda civics? Also electric vehicles are capable of the exact same performance in snow as gas vehicles given both cars are 4x4.
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My wife has a Honda CRV that does excellent on gas. At least 25mpg. We live in New England so the Honda stays right where it belongs.. in the driveway, getting even better gas mileage by not moving. In the mean time we are putting gas in the Jeep and not getting stuck.
I have a honda CRV and i was the only car on the road last year during the snowpoclypse. So i dont know what you are trying to say. The only thing that determines if a car can travel in the snow is ground clearance and if it has 4 wheel drive. Has nothing to do with brand or what is powering the car.

In the case of an electric jeep it would still be 4x4 and still be perfectly capable of traveling in sand and snow , not so much rock crawling but there are tj's for that.
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the technolgy is there , what reason is there to not have chrysler make this vehicle?
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I'm not saying the CRV is a bad car. It a good safe car for my family, and you're right, it does fine in snow. That is why we bought it. But when we get a foot of snow overnight like we did a few times this winter we don't drive it. Like you said - it's too low. But the point is (and what I think Capjac04's point is) we didn't buy Jeeps to be as fuel conscious as you would be with a hybrid. We leave that to the yuppies. (kidding)
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Well lets just say if they ever made a Wrangler "HYBRID" I would never purchase another Jeep again. I would buy several "PRE-Hybrid" wranglers and keep throwing money into them to keep them running. As Far as having energy issues, if the eco-hippies and green tards would let us build atomic energy plants and drill domestically for oil we would have no issues. Also the EPA needs to be shut down.
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I'm not saying the CRV is a bad car. It a good safe car for my family, and you're right, it does fine in snow. That is why we bought it. But when we get a foot of snow overnight like we did a few times this winter we don't drive it. Like you said - it's too low. But the point is (and what I think Capjac04's point is) we didn't buy Jeeps to be as fuel conscious as you would be with a hybrid. We leave that to the yuppies. (kidding)
no i agree , im normally not really an enviro hippy and i know the jeep community is about as far away from that as possible .

My concern isnt with the enviroment as it is with the wallet.

All im saying is that an electric jeep if priced correctly would sell very well , possibly outpacing current sales of normal jeeps if kept under 35k. and you would spend more time on the road/trail then at the gas pump.
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Well lets just say if they ever made a Wrangler "HYBRID" I would never purchase another Jeep again. I would buy several "PRE-Hybrid" wranglers and keep throwing money into them to keep them running. As Far as having energy issues, if the eco-hippies and green tards would let us build atomic energy plants and drill domestically for oil we would have no issues. Also the EPA needs to be shut down.
Im with you on domestic drilling but nuclear engery is pretty bad , the spent fuel for those plants stays highly radioactive for millions of years. So basically wherever you put it you have to be one hundred percent sure that nothing can happen to it.That includes underground , for example if we put it underground and 2000 years from now america is gone and the location is forgotten about , who knows a volcano could erupt and spread that stuff all over the place and kill millions. Fusion energy is a way better idea to invest in imo.
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Im with you on domestic drilling but nuclear engery is pretty bad , the spent fuel for those plants stays highly radioactive for millions of years. So basically wherever you put it you have to be one hundred percent sure that nothing can happen to it.That includes underground , for example if we put it underground and 2000 years from now america is gone and the location is forgotten about , who knows a volcano could erupt and spread that stuff all over the place and kill millions. Fusion energy is a way better idea to invest in imo.

Well I do agree with you on the part we need to do something. The longer this country sits on its butt and lets the Hippies control how we get our power the longer we are going to continue to use fossil fuels. It just boggles my mind at how they work.
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Well I do agree with you on the part we need to do something. The longer this country sits on its butt and lets the Hippies control how we get our power the longer we are going to continue to use fossil fuels. It just boggles my mind at how they work.
i completely agree , Right now we need that oil in our borders so that we can start manufacturing these technologies that will allow america to be dependant on itself and not some crazed sheik in jalallalallaabad that happened to have been in power when oil was discovered on his sheep farm.
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well lets just say if they ever made a wrangler "hybrid" i would never purchase another jeep again. I would buy several "pre-hybrid" wranglers and keep throwing money into them to keep them running. As far as having energy issues, if the eco-hippies and green tards would let us build atomic energy plants and drill domestically for oil we would have no issues. Also the epa needs to be shut down.
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I have a honda CRV and i was the only car on the road last year during the snowpoclypse. So i dont know what you are trying to say. The only thing that determines if a car can travel in the snow is ground clearance and if it has 4 wheel drive. Has nothing to do with brand or what is powering the car.

In the case of an electric jeep it would still be 4x4 and still be perfectly capable of traveling in sand and snow , not so much rock crawling but there are tj's for that.
Maybe I can't find what I am looking for, but I have yet to see a true 4WD Hybrid. Durango/Aspen were AWD and really weren't great in the snow. I know the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade/BMW X5 shared the same hybrid technology and are AWD.

I guess my question is, why haven't I found a true 4WD hybrid?
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If gasoline prices keep rising and eventually get high enough that its hard to afford driving...I would most definatly buy a hybrid or full electric jeep....why not. I rather have a hybrid/electric jeep than some little prius or similar.
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Maybe I can't find what I am looking for, but I have yet to see a true 4WD Hybrid. Durango/Aspen were AWD and really weren't great in the snow. I know the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade/BMW X5 shared the same hybrid technology and are AWD.

I guess my question is, why haven't I found a true 4WD hybrid?
hybrids are actually a bit more complicated to make than extended range EV's and it would be extremely hard to make one 4x4 because of space contraints i beleive

They have to have a full sized engine AND an electric motor

with extended range EV's all they need is a small gas tank and a motor for charging the batteries that run the bigger electric motor.
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If gasoline prices keep rising and eventually get high enough that its hard to afford be able to drive...I would most definatly buy a hybrid or full electric jeep....why not. I rather have a hybrid/electric jeep than some little prius or similar.
I agree , i was looking at the chevy volt and i just cant see myself driving that thing , its only used for one things and thats point a to point b.
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I've never driven a hybrid or all electric vehicle so I'm no expert by any means but I would at least test drive a hybrid jeep and reserve my judgement till then. I don't suppose it ever became popular but didn't GM try some vehicles that were V8s that only used 2 or 4 cylinders on the hwy to conserve fuel, maybe that should be explored. As far as nuclear waste, I think someone should look at the logistics of launching it into space, perhaps on a course to collide with the sun. Like or it leave it, just my $0.02
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interesting video....went to web site, no prices or hard details...

I'm all for the best vehicle possible....a nuclear powered VEX might be ideal!

As the efficiency of batteries is vitally related to outside temperature, and weight is an issue, why aren't these questions at least touched upon by the site, along with $$?

And now 2 years old, I've not seen any other advertising about the product....which could be ground breaking if it were available and performed as advertised.

Got any current technical data for this vehicle?
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X100. Not only do I not want a hybrid jeep, but I dont want a hybrid at all. Have you ever done an indepth look at how your car gets that electricity from the wall that you are charging it on?? It takes on average two more tanks of "would be" gas to run the equipment required to create the electricity that you are taking from your wall and putting in your car than it does to just go to the pump and buy it. Electric cars are not efficient, maybe someday, but not now, its just like universal health care, its a good idea, but we arent ready for it.

Not to mention, guys like me actually wheel there jeeps, sometimes for long distances, miles from the nearest gas station. Luckily I can carry a couple jerry cans and be good, I cannot however, carry an extra battery.
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Maybe I can't find what I am looking for, but I have yet to see a true 4WD Hybrid. Durango/Aspen were AWD and really weren't great in the snow. I know the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade/BMW X5 shared the same hybrid technology and are AWD.

I guess my question is, why haven't I found a true 4WD hybrid?
Chevy silverado is a true 4x4 hybrid.
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The problem with launching nuclear waste into space is if the launch fails where does the nuclear waste go? Spread all over. OH put it in a super heavy duty cargo barrel that will withstand an explosion and fall back to earth. Too heavy to launch in quantity. A vehicle power plant that produces high horsepower and uses minute amounts of energy seems a reality. But cheap oil prevents the research funds. An electric jeep seems too heavy. I think as long as oil stays fairly cheap or gas prices hover or flirt with 5.00 plus nobody will develop a viable power plant to replace the internal combustion engine. My guess if one did come along it will be hydrogen. But I do not see this for another 20 years if mankind survives. Who knows by then we may have jet packs.
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Electric would be great, the low end torque of an electric motor would be reason enough to run electric, not to mention the posibility of having a motor on each wheel giving you complete control of your 4wd with a flip of a switch. However at this time it is just not possible to get the same space to distance ratio with batteries that we get with gas . I can travel much much further on a tank of gas than I could with 20 lithium ion batteries and the fuel tank takes up much less space. Also when I get low on fuel I maintain horsepower output but not the case with batteries, when batteries discharge they put out less amps in return causing the motor to slowly lose its power output. Until someone comes up with a better battery or perhaps an alternative then you will be giving up performance and travel distance, and I for one would rather not.
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Hybrid jeep? Yeah forget getting a snorkel, get that wet and your done. I want a diesel jeep able to run on B100 (100%) biodiesel. If we wanted to we could slowly convert to diesel and convert to biodiesel and give OPEC, Russia, Sudan, Libya, Iran and the rest of the countries that hate us to go stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

If we can stick ethanol in our tanks which is a one BTU used to create one BTU of energy producing fuel, why not Biodiesel? One Btu for 8 btus of energy is a much better return.
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