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Old 02-10-2012, 11:00 AM   #301
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By the way, for what it's worth, I am BONE STOCK with the 2011 JKU and I've not taken it off-road, just simple around town driving and a little highway. Crazy to think the damage has already occurred at only 4,500 miles.

The dealer put the stock bolts back in, ordered the new trackbars and told me they'll call when they come in. Ha, with all due respect, I'm not driving it any further until it's repaired. That's all I need... Drive it further and do more damage until I get the infamous death wobble. I don't think so. Taking a rental under warranty.

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interesting scenario. i bought the 9/16 bolts and was changing them out. rear trackbar went fine, front trackbar at axle went fine. trackbar at the frame, the bolt wouldn't fit, thinking that maybe i had gooten an odd size mixed in, happens with binned bolts sometimes, tried another bolt, didn't fit. dropped the bar down and found that the sleeve on the frameside of the trackbar itself fits the 14mm snugly, 9/16 wouldn't go through. guess i'll just have to get the jks adj trackbar, what a shame,lol.
Same problem here moneypit. What's the jks adj trackbar? Is that the same as the stock? My dealer just ordered a stock one to replace the damaged one, both front and rear.

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Anyone want to do a small, quick write up before I get mine in the mail?
Its easy as mess.. if you can loosen a bolt you can do this.
Sure.

Take loosen old bolt, take mallet and hit it out if you can't pull it out. Use a big screw driver, pry bar, etc to line the holes by up (they don't have to be perfect) take the bolt push it as far it will go, take rubber mallet and hit it until it holes. Tighten bolt, repeat 9 times.
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Its easy as mess.. if you can loosen a bolt you can do this.
Sure.

Take loosen old bolt, take mallet and hit it out if you can't pull it out. Use a big screw driver, pry bar, etc to line the holes by up (they don't have to be perfect) take the bolt push it as far it will go, take rubber mallet and hit it until it holes. Tighten bolt, repeat 9 times.
Ha ha mostly (since I'm a newb) I just need to know where/which ones. But I guess that could be self explanatory once I'm under there.

I'm assuming: LCA (x4), UCA(x4), sway bar links?, track bar, anything I'm missing?
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I am planning on putting my 2.5in teraflex lift on soon and I just want to make sure one last time that this kit comes with ALL the bolts I will/should replace?

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Ha ha mostly (since I'm a newb) I just need to know where/which ones. But I guess that could be self explanatory once I'm under there.

I'm assuming: LCA (x4), UCA(x4), sway bar links?, track bar, anything I'm missing?
Track bar x4 (2 front, 2 rear) LCA x8 (2 on each side(4) x front and rear). Get under your rig and find them, they are easy to reach.

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I am planning on putting my 2.5in teraflex lift on soon and I just want to make sure one last time that this kit comes with ALL the bolts I will/should replace?

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This is the kit you want.

This is a perfect newb project to get to know your Jeep and how it works and it is pretty much impossible to mess up. I highly recommend to all to do this yourself and take the hour or so it takes to complete to familiarize yourself with what's going on under your rig. I'll bet after you do this, you'll be itching to wrench on it again (and again and again). Consider this your gateway drug to the modding bug...
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Consider this your gateway drug to the modding bug...
I used to have a WS6 Trans Am and I know how the modding bug goes.

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Doggone it. 2011 JKU with only 4,500 miles and I already have an egg shaped hole. Thanks to this thread, I ordered the new bolts from EAD (9/16) and made an appointment at my dealer. They were very kind and accommodating with my concern and the mechanic showed me the damage done.

He couldn't even get the new bolts to go through the hole! What's worse, the hole on the bracket that's part of the frame of the chassis is rounded to an egg shape too where the track bar mounts.

Suffice to say, they're ordering me a new trackbar for the front and rear. What a mess. I will be contacting both Chrysler corporate and the NHTSA and I encourage EVERYONE reading this to do the same. Such a simple fix by using the right hardware to begin with and all of this could've been avoided. Shame on Chrysler. They need to make this right!
Curious why the bolts wouldn't go thru the holes. On a happier note, my hardware arrived today!
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Looks like this just got moved to the top of my modding list as the next thing to get, but installing it ASAP.
I'll be ordering mine next week.

Geeze, I've got 6800 miles with a few mild offroading trips. I wonder what I'm going to find???
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Curious why the bolts wouldn't go thru the holes. On a happier note, my hardware arrived today!
Thread damage inside the bushings. They could only get the stock bolts back through, but the 9/16" new ones wouldn't go, not that I'd want them to anyway now that the damage is done! As mentioned, they're ordering in new track bars, bushings and all, both front and rear, to replace the bad ones. We haven't even touched the bolts on the LCAs yet.
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Glad to hear the dealer is taking care of you.
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Uh, yeah... It's not like they have a choice! It's all warranty work!! What this SHOULD be is a full RECALL, mileage aside!
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Uh, yeah... It's not like they have a choice! It's all warranty work!! What this SHOULD be is a full RECALL, mileage aside!
What can we do to push this through? Email Chrysler daily? Anyone have a contact at Chrysler that we can send the videos to and harp on them day in/day out until this gets recalled?
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Got my front trackbar and LCA bolts all done. Was surprised that I needed to thread the new bolts through rather than just push them but all is good now.

Question: How important is it to do the rear end? I have the F911 kit with bolts for both front and back but little time. Can the rear end wait?

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Ordered the Synergy bolt kit through EAD and it seems the 9/16" shoulder bolt won't fit through for the trackbar (frame side). Anyone else experience this when replacing the stock 14mm?
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Dgelb, I would do both front and rear. I'm also questioning at this point what the deal is on the UCAs as the LCAs and trackbars are affected. Also begs the question about the sway and the shock areas too.
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What can we do to push this through? Email Chrysler daily? Anyone have a contact at Chrysler that we can send the videos to and harp on them day in/day out until this gets recalled?
Doubtful if it will ever happen. How many people have been killed so far?
These people already know of the problem, don't care, and full know of the enormous costs involved to correct their incompetence. I many cases, it's not just changing the bolts but other associated parts also that are being damaged by this. Since anybody with any mechanical knowledge would know better, it's pretty obvious that somewhere, someplace they have or had a super cheap cheap supplier of this wrong hardware, otherwise they would have to be complete idiots. This kind of thing along with the other issues presented on these forums and much like the old days with Chrysler, swore me off of that company decades ago. Then they go and buy Jeep, so what's a person to do? Like Lee Iaccoca said in his book about the Dodge Aspen, that is was a prototype put upon the American public for testing.
Having said this, I know that they have all at one time or the other did dreadful things and the one that's probably most infamous, was the Ford Pinto, which killed thousands, caused by their exploding gas tanks, and they still refused, deeming it cheaper to pay off lawsuits.

1. With expected unit sales of 11 million Pintos, and a total cost per unit to modify the fuel tank of $11, a recall would have cost Ford $121 million.

2. But, using mathematical formulations of a probable 2,100 accidents that might result in 180 burn deaths, 180 seriously burned victims, and 2,100 burned-out vehicles, the "unit cost" per accident, assuming an out-of-court settlement, came to a probable $200,000 per death, $67,000 per serious injury, and $700 per burned-out vehicle, leaving a grand total of $49.53 million.

3. Allowing the accidents to occur represented a net savings of nearly $70 million.

4. Therefore, a human life was mathematically proven to be worth less than an $11 part.

https://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1...3&ix=sea&ion=1

Story short. Don't be expecting any recalls in this century or I for one, will be very surprised.
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Ordered the Synergy bolt kit through EAD and it seems the 9/16" shoulder bolt won't fit through for the trackbar (frame side). Anyone else experience this when replacing the stock 14mm?
Mine fit but it was a tight squeeze. Basically had to thread it thru. Most of mine were like that, giving the bolt a thump with a rubber mallet wasn't gonna work. Leads me to ponder two questions.
1) Some members have more wear inside the bushing on their LCAs and TBs making the new bolts slide thru easier?
2) Perhaps a partially threaded 14 mm bolt (with an unthreaded shank like the 9/16 bolts) would suffice?

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Dgelb, I would do both front and rear. I'm also questioning at this point what the deal is on the UCAs as the LCAs and trackbars are affected. Also begs the question about the sway and the shock areas too.
I had ordered 1/2 X 20 X3.5" bolts to do the upper control arms in front as the factory bolts are 12mm. Not happening as the holes in the upper control arms are toleranced much closer. BTW the rear upper arms will take a 9/16" bolt.

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Doubtful if it will ever happen. How many people have been killed so far?
These people already know of the problem, don't care, and full know of the enormous costs involved to correct their incompetence. I many cases, it's not just changing the bolts but other associated parts also that are being damaged by this. Since anybody with any mechanical knowledge would know better, it's pretty obvious that somewhere, someplace they have or had a super cheap cheap supplier of this wrong hardware, otherwise they would have to be complete idiots. This kind of thing along with the other issues presented on these forums and much like the old days with Chrysler, swore me off of that company decades ago. Then they go and buy Jeep, so what's a person to do? Like Lee Iaccoca said in his book about the Dodge Aspen, that is was a prototype put upon the American public for testing.
Having said this, I know that they have all at one time or the other did dreadful things and the one that's probably most infamous, was the Ford Pinto, which killed thousands, caused by their exploding gas tanks, and they still refused, deeming it cheaper to pay off lawsuits.

1. With expected unit sales of 11 million Pintos, and a total cost per unit to modify the fuel tank of $11, a recall would have cost Ford $121 million.

2. But, using mathematical formulations of a probable 2,100 accidents that might result in 180 burn deaths, 180 seriously burned victims, and 2,100 burned-out vehicles, the "unit cost" per accident, assuming an out-of-court settlement, came to a probable $200,000 per death, $67,000 per serious injury, and $700 per burned-out vehicle, leaving a grand total of $49.53 million.

3. Allowing the accidents to occur represented a net savings of nearly $70 million.

4. Therefore, a human life was mathematically proven to be worth less than an $11 part.

https://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1...3&ix=sea&ion=1

Story short. Don't be expecting any recalls in this century or I for one, will be very surprised.
Sad tale and not the first time it ahs happened with an automaker.
I recall a lot of Pintos on the road years ago but did Ford really sell 11 million?
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I recall a lot of Pintos on the road years ago but did Ford really sell 11 million?
Hard to say and a lot of cars, I know, but this is what they were projecting to top management in this memo, which basically says, it's cheaper and OK to burn people alive.
Ford's "Pinto" Memo
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I was going to swap out my bolts (ordered the F911 bolts from Quadratec) and saw this weird cloth/rubber bushing squeezing out in my trackbar end:



The trackbar is part of the mopar 2" lift and was installed by the dealer. Could this be the real cause of my death wobble on my '10 2-door JK with only 4K miles?
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I was going to swap out my bolts (ordered the F911 bolts from Quadratec) and saw this weird cloth/rubber bushing squeezing out in my trackbar end:



The trackbar is part of the mopar 2" lift and was installed by the dealer. Could this be the real cause of my death wobble on my '10 2-door JK with only 4K miles?

I have never seen anything like that in all my years of doing this. I can't see it being a dust sleeve, like the ones on hydraulic arms/shocks.
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Just finished installing the kit from Northridge 4x4.

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Maybe an oil impregnated cloth to keep the joint lubed. I only use Aurora rod ends and I've never seen anything like it must be a cheap rod end. Id get the dealership to order aftermarket stuff like qa1 or Aurora and pay the difference. If there's room for that in the joint the tolerances are crap.
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Maybe an oil impregnated cloth to keep the joint lubed. I only use Aurora rod ends and I've never seen anything like it must be a cheap rod end. Id get the dealership to order aftermarket stuff like qa1 or Aurora and pay the difference. If there's room for that in the joint the tolerances are crap.

What he said. I've always used quality hemi and johnny joins in all my "toys" from drag car to off road rig and have never seen that. get it replaced asap.
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What he said. I've always used quality hemi and johnny joins in all my "toys" from drag car to off road rig and have never seen that. get it replaced asap.
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Doubtful if it will ever happen. How many people have been killed so far?
These people already know of the problem, don't care, and full know of the enormous costs involved to correct their incompetence. I many cases, it's not just changing the bolts but other associated parts also that are being damaged by this. Since anybody with any mechanical knowledge would know better, it's pretty obvious that somewhere, someplace they have or had a super cheap cheap supplier of this wrong hardware, otherwise they would have to be complete idiots. This kind of thing along with the other issues presented on these forums and much like the old days with Chrysler, swore me off of that company decades ago. Then they go and buy Jeep, so what's a person to do? Like Lee Iaccoca said in his book about the Dodge Aspen, that is was a prototype put upon the American public for testing.
Having said this, I know that they have all at one time or the other did dreadful things and the one that's probably most infamous, was the Ford Pinto, which killed thousands, caused by their exploding gas tanks, and they still refused, deeming it cheaper to pay off lawsuits.

1. With expected unit sales of 11 million Pintos, and a total cost per unit to modify the fuel tank of $11, a recall would have cost Ford $121 million.

2. But, using mathematical formulations of a probable 2,100 accidents that might result in 180 burn deaths, 180 seriously burned victims, and 2,100 burned-out vehicles, the "unit cost" per accident, assuming an out-of-court settlement, came to a probable $200,000 per death, $67,000 per serious injury, and $700 per burned-out vehicle, leaving a grand total of $49.53 million.

3. Allowing the accidents to occur represented a net savings of nearly $70 million.

4. Therefore, a human life was mathematically proven to be worth less than an $11 part.

https://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1...3&ix=sea&ion=1

Story short. Don't be expecting any recalls in this century or I for one, will be very surprised.
Holly sheikiittt!!!!

There goes the air outta my sails!!!

Ill get go buy some damn bolts and shut up!!!

Wow,, just wow.
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I bought the kit from Poly Performance about six weeks ago. It looks like I could have saved $20 by buying from Northridge, but I didn't know they also had a kit.

My JKU is in transit to Alaska. My wife and I will be flying up 15 May to pick it up at my son's house to drive back to Wisconsin. I will install the Poly kit when we return and at the same time that I do the RC 2-1/2" lift. We will probably have over 4k miles on it when we get back.

My question is, should I ream out any holes that do not allow the 9/16" bolts to fit? I could run a 9/16" drill bit through any tight holes. Has anyone done this?

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My question is, should I ream out any holes that do not allow the 9/16" bolts to fit? I could run a 9/16" drill bit through any tight holes. Has anyone done this?

Thanks.

No, definitely not, you are trying to eliminate the play in these places, not maintain it. That is the whole point of buying larger bolts. The bolts do fit, they are snug, as they should be. Making sure the holes are all properly aligned and a little tappy tap with a rubber mallet are part of the process, but that is what will help to keep you death wobble free and happy. It really is a bunt to do, and if you are doing the install on a lift at the same time, you need to remove/loosen all of these bolt anyways as part of your lift instal- perfect time to do this mod too.
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See how bad mine look after prob about 400 miles on my new 2012!
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Update fellas: good to go! My dealer really did the right thing and took care of ordering in new F and R track bars and then installed MY bolts through the new bushings (also the F911 bolt kit, mine is the Synergy Suspension kit that I got through EAD, $65 w/ free shipping cuz their cool like that!) Everything is now good, snug and tight and I can sleep at night knowing there's no more play down there. $65 for peace of mind makes me a happy Jeeper. Good luck to you all as well!

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