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Old 12-20-2011, 07:43 AM   #61
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Did the dealer change the leaking stab bar? (under warranty at the time?)-I spoke to a couple techs early this morning-they both said that if moved that much-even for a wrangler-they'd dig much deeper into the front end (sway links, shocks, springs, ect)-
Sorry to hear it happened-it's those moments when you least expect and least want (after a 16 hour work day) that these really wake you up....
They changed it under warrenty. They put in the "beefier" stab with a new bracket. Not a fan of it. Car feels too light in the steering. I like a heavy steering wheel.
Yea, your techs are right.. its part of the reason I think front right shock is failing -- note to self, still need day off to change them out.
And yea, it woke me up and my heart rate too.

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I have a question after reading and rereading this thread. I am at about 35k on my Jeep. I am guessing that my sleeves likely have some wear from the threads in the bushing sleeves. Is the proverbial cow out of the barn here and the damage is done, or will switching to collared bolts stop the damage and keep me from getting to DW in the future. In other words, I know that these replacement bolts won't fix the damage done, but will putting in new bolts in damaged bushings be a waste of time as the damage is already done?

Depends on how the sleeve looks. When you look at the my pictures you can tell the track bar/bolt did not move in a front to rear movement just in a up and down. If you have fine looking patteren like I do then you are fine but if it more of a grinding effect front to rear, rear to front I would probably see if the bolts helped first if not then replace it

Switching to the bolts will prevent any more damage done, but they will help regardless.

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My 2012 Rubicon Unlimited is on order. It alarms me that Chrysler has used under sized, non shouldered bolts for this application. Coming from an engineering discipline, I'm shocked that they continue to assemble in this manner. They open themselves up to some real liability issues that could easily be remedied.
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Is this is a similar problem on TJ's? Mine has about the same slack. If a new bolt will fix it up, I'm doing it Friday.
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So I have a silly question. What about the upper control arms. Or did I miss something somewhere?
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:42 AM   #66
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So I have a silly question. What about the upper control arms. Or did I miss something somewhere?

I haven't checked them but I would think the same thing (atleast them not being shoulder bolts) I know the shock and sway bar bolts are not shoulder either (sway only applies to some aftermarket)


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My 2012 Rubicon Unlimited is on order. It alarms me that Chrysler has used under sized, non shouldered bolts for this application. Coming from an engineering discipline, I'm shocked that they continue to assemble in this manner. They open themselves up to some real liability issues that could easily be remedied.
You and I are have the same understanding here. I don't my PE but Im about to graduate soon as a mech. engineer.

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Is this is a similar problem on TJ's? Mine has about the same slack. If a new bolt will fix it up, I'm doing it Friday.

From my understanding it still applies to the TJ
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Depends on how the sleeve looks. When you look at the my pictures you can tell the track bar/bolt did not move in a front to rear movement just in a up and down. If you have fine looking patteren like I do then you are fine but if it more of a grinding effect front to rear, rear to front I would probably see if the bolts helped first if not then replace it

Switching to the bolts will prevent any more damage done, but they will help regardless.
Sounds like a cheap investment in some piece of mind. I think I will swap out my bolts when I do my lift this spring. This thread has compelled me to study the "death wobble" sticky on the top of the jk forum as well and I hope I have stemmed off some future safety issue that would cost me much more than a $60 bag of bolts. Thanks again!
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Chrysler-Dealer Contingency plan maybe? Bolts are designed to fail at 36,001 miles guys!
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Chrysler-Dealer Contingency plan maybe? Bolts are designed to fail at 36,001 miles guys!
41,000
I do have some unexplained thumps *thinking*
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I do have some unexplained thumps *thinking*
Better play it safe and get those new bolts on right away. Might as well throw on the lift while we're at it...
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Better play it safe and get those new bolts on right away. Might as well throw on the lift while we're at it...
Ya ef it..... minus well
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:19 AM   #72
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Ok so here's what I'm getting from the thread. I need to swap bolts the dealer is not willing to cover even though they are wrong for using improper hardware? Sounds like a fun project. Still new to jeeps but I'm pretty sure the setup can't be too different from my '02 1500... Well I hope. Thanks to everyone who has posted. It has been a huge help.
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Double Black Off Road, here in Melbourne, has a great record in solving death wobbles. I haven't experienced it myself but I understand the fix usually involves a new panhard and draglink.

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Old 12-22-2011, 11:03 AM   #74
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Double Black Off Road, here in Melbourne, has a great record in solving death wobbles. I haven't experienced it myself but I understand the fix usually involves a new panhard and draglink.

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Panhard = another name for track bar

and that is because of the track bar getting oval in the bushing/sleeve due to the bolts being the wrong size.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:58 PM   #75
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I can tell all you guys I experience DW today in my "STOCK" 2010Unl 16k miles for the first time. I glad we have experience people with a ton of info here because as soon it happen I knew it was a DW. Any inexperience person would freak out.
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I can tell all you guys I experience DW today in my "STOCK" 2010Unl 16k miles for the first time. I glad we have experience people with a ton of info here because as soon it happen I knew it was a DW. Any inexperience person would freak out.
So now what, since you are probably still under warranty and are you going to demand they fix it.... and if so will they do it properly without the factory authorizing a change of bolt sizes?
I still don't get it with their logic of not using the proper sizes here.
and do they not ever use owner input for anything?
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I have a 2010 wrangler sport 2 door. I bought my Jeep about a month ago, only has 25,000 miles on it . I have had no problems with DW at all YET... After reading everything on here I went home last night and pulled the drivers side bolt out of my track bar just to see what it looked like. The bolt is grossly too small and all thread!! I went straight inside and ordered the bolt kit from Polly Performance .. Thank you guys for all your insight.
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I have a 2010 wrangler sport 2 door. I bought my Jeep about a month ago, only has 25,000 miles on it . I have had no problems with DW at all YET... After reading everything on here I went home last night and pulled the drivers side bolt out of my track bar just to see what it looked like. The bolt is grossly too small and all thread!! I went straight inside and ordered the bolt kit from Polly Performance .. Thank you guys for all your insight.
Link to where you gottum?

NM. missed it

I will also order this for when I install the lift .
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i also ordered the kit after reading this thread, too bad it is now back ordered. I am sure they got a lot of orders after this thread came out.
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Link to where you gottum?

NM. missed it

I will also order this for when I install the lift .
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...t-p-28601.html
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i also ordered the kit after reading this thread, too bad it is now back ordered. I am sure they got a lot of orders after this thread came out.
Are they back ordered at Polly?
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You can just go to the hardware store and get the bolts their too!
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You can just go to the hardware store and get the bolts their too!
And don't forget to purchase Grade 8 or better as has been stated with 6 Radial Lines on the bolt heads....Bolt Markings
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Quadratec they are.. Not sure about any other site if they are on back order
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Quadratec they are.. Not sure about any other site if they are on back order
The Q sells the set?
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UPDATE:

I did my dad's 2012' 4 door today. It has 2.5 lift, JKS front track bar, shocks and a few other goodies. He has NEVER off road his and only has 4,000 miles on his rig. His Track bar bushing DID show signs of the threads eating at the bushing sleeve. It was not as bad as mine but still noticeable. Here is a picture of the stock vs new bolts

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I wanted to get this out there to those who are buying the preassembled Synergy Suspension kit of upgraded bolts. Q tec has them with free shipping, but on back order with no idea when they will be in. I did the live chat thing with EAD Offroad and they have them in stock and are willing to price match the Q with free shipping. The guy seemed pretty nice and said he was a vendor here, although I have not seen them around. Regardless, ordering direct from synergy was $65 with around $15 in shipping, which totally defeats the purpose of not just getting it yourself, bolt by bolt, at the local hardware store. Use code EADFS at checkout for free shipping on EAD Offroad (see link below). Props to EAD, and they said they have access to quite a few. I just ordered my lift today, ordered the new bolts, and am going to pick up a torque wrench this afternoon (BTW, craftsman 1/2 on sale right now as well. Thank you Santa.



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I wanted to get this out there to those who are buying the preassembled Synergy Suspension kit of upgraded bolts. Q tec has them with free shipping, but on back order with no idea when they will be in. I did the live chat thing with EAD Offroad and they have them in stock and are willing to price match the Q with free shipping. The guy seemed pretty nice and said he was a vendor here, although I have not seen them around. Regardless, ordering direct from synergy was $65 with around $15 in shipping, which totally defeats the purpose of not just getting it yourself, bolt by bolt, at the local hardware store. Use code EADFS at checkout for free shipping on EAD Offroad (see link below). Props to EAD, and they said they have access to quite a few.
Thank you for the order. Those drop shipped from Synergy today and you should have them in 3 biz days. I have a 25 sets stocking order on there way here and I'll change the product to include free shipping when they come in so folks don't have to mess with coupons.

We work very closely with Poly/Synergy and have access to all of there products Synergy Suspension and can normally work out free shipping deals on anything Synergy including lift kits

We have been a vendor here since early last Summer. Flooding the vendors section with bump posts is not my style so maybe we are below the radar.

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