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Old 02-25-2014, 01:43 PM   #1
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The "Jeep" History project

So I am writing a paper on the "Jeep" and how it affected the outcome of the war in WWII. I need to know what you guys think the outcome would have been without the invention of the jeep. How might the war been different? Facts on the jeep are also welcome! Thanks!

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Honestly, I think the real value of the Jeep wasn't seen in the Western allies' use, but on the Eastern front. Lend-Lease trucks and Jeeps won the war for Russia far more than any tanks they could build. The T-34 and T-34/85 are often credited with winning the war for Russia, but in all honesty, lend-lease trucks and Jeeps won the war for Russia. Before that, they had nothing to support their massive supply lines..

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Just to note, that a "Jeep" was made by Willys, Ford, and American Bantam back then.
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"The Jeep, the Dakota, and the Landing Craft were the three tools that won the war." -- Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower

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The Jeep was not an "invention" that just happened to come about. 4WD vehicles already existed. The Army needed a purpose built vehicle and put the specs out to bid. The design that won the bid was the vehicle that became the Jeep. There really was no alternative to it not existing.

What won the war was our manufacturing capability and the determination of our soldiers.
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The Jeep was not an "invention" that just happened to come about. 4WD vehicles already existed. The Army needed a purpose built vehicle and put the specs out to bid. The design that won the bid was the vehicle that became the Jeep. There really was no alternative to it not existing.

What won the war was our manufacturing capability and the determination of our soldiers.
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Go on you tube and the history channel did a special on the Jeep and it's impact on the war. It is about 45 minutes long but it has some interesting facts.
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The Jeep was not an "invention" that just happened to come about. 4WD vehicles already existed. The Army needed a purpose built vehicle and put the specs out to bid. The design that won the bid was the vehicle that became the Jeep. There really was no alternative to it not existing. What won the war was our manufacturing capability and the determination of our soldiers.
This x 100.

The history channel special is pretty good as previously noted. Worth the watch!
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Like everyone was getting at, our beloved "Jeep" was a terrific tool that enabled our troops (and allies) to become victorious in WWII. I put the Jeep in quotations because it was only a slang term throughout WWII and didn't become official until the Willys Overland Company won the copyrights after the war. I'm no expert by any means and some of the facts I've listed below bay be a bit off since I'm posting this from memory but I've done allot of research a this is some of what I've learned.

It was originally designed as a light weight (the original contract bid called for a 1300 lbs max net weight) 1/4 ton motorized replacement for the horse. The Army didn't expect them to last forever, in fact they expected them to last something like 90 days in the field. Seeing war on the horizon, the US Army sent out requests for bids to the many automobile companies operating in 1941. Of all the requests sent out, there were only 3 companies that replied and created prototypes, and only one of those met the deadline. The Bantam Motor Car Company actually won the contract because they met the deadline and had a good design. Because the Army determined that Bantam wouldn't be able to produce in the volume required the contract was transferred to the larger Willys Overland Company. As Willys began production and America was thrust into WWII and had to fight enemies around the world, they realized a single company would not be able to fulfill the requirements, enter the Ford Motor Company.

The prototypes were the Bantam Reconnaissance Car, the Ford Pygmy and the Willys MA (short for model "A"). The Bantam company mainly produced 1/4 ton trailers for the war while Willys produced the MB (model "B") and Ford produced the GPW (G=government vehicle, P designated the 80" wheelbase, and W = the Willys design). As a post script, neither Willys nor Ford could keep up with the required production tempo so both companies sub contracted to the American Central Body Company starting in 1942.

There were over 640,000 1/4-ton trucks or "Jeeps" produced in a little under 4 years between 1941 and 1945.
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Would any of you have any idea what an alternative to wwII would be like without the jeep? This is what my project needs.
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Would any of you have any idea what an alternative to wwII would be like without the jeep? This is what my project needs.
The alternative to the Jeep was and still is Airborne Infantry (paratroopers). Resupply was also conducted by air drops back then. The Jeep played a tremendous role in the medevac procedures on the front lines.
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The alternative to the Jeep was and still is Airborne Infantry (paratroopers). Resupply was also conducted by air drops back then. The Jeep played a tremendous role in the medevac procedures on the front lines.
What would you say the biggest accomplishment of the jeep in WWII is?
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What would you say the biggest accomplishment of the jeep in WWII is?
MEDEVAC....Saved thousands of lives.
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Would any of you have any idea what an alternative to wwII would be like without the jeep? This is what my project needs.
The alternative would have been a different vehicle with the same basic capabilities. There was a need to be met and something would have been built. THAT is the legacy of the Jeep. The American ability to say we "need this" and find a way to build something to fit that need.
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The alternative would have been a different vehicle with the same basic capabilities. There was a need to be met and something would have been built. THAT is the legacy of the Jeep. The American ability to say we "need this" and find a way to build something to fit that need.
Perfect example of an alternative. Off topic but to add on to what Daggo said. During the Korean War the Jeep was made with a longer wheel base and was manufactured in the US and outsourced to Toyota, reason for the longer wheelbase was to accommodate for the rugged mountain terrain....Again, just confirming what Daggo stated about a different vehicle...Plus, I could talk military history for days.
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There was also the Mutt. The marines needed a smaller one in Vietnam that could be air dropped in the Jungle. That is why the name Jeep, as in Eugene the Jeep, came about. It was an idea that could be whatever it needed to be.
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Ok... I need some creativity! My paper is on how the jeep impacted the war but... the objective of the paper is if so and so wasnt there how would it have altered history. So if the jeep wasn't made how do you think that would have impacted the war. Get creative! Also I need the exact date the jeep was created and by who or what company. Thank you!!!!
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Ok... I need some creativity! My paper is on how the jeep impacted the war but... the objective of the paper is if so and so wasnt there how would it have altered history. So if the jeep wasn't made how do you think that would have impacted the war. Get creative! Also I need the exact date the jeep was created and by who or what company. Thank you!!!!
The date it was built and the manufacturer is an easy google search. Not creating the Jeep would have not changed the outcome of the war as the Airborne Infantry was the latest and greatest on the frontline.

If the Jeep wasn't ever made then it would have altered what we use today on the battle field.

This is one of those papers where you need to look into mobile divisions at the time and see how they used the Jeep. When you say WWII, I think of the All American and Screamin' Eagle boys, not Jeep.
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Ok... I need some creativity! My paper is on how the jeep impacted the war but... the objective of the paper is if so and so wasnt there how would it have altered history. So if the jeep wasn't made how do you think that would have impacted the war. Get creative! Also I need the exact date the jeep was created and by who or what company. Thank you!!!!
No Jeep = Increased boot production

Every army requires a supply and communication chain....an army is only as effective as the ability to feed, house, and repair it. I would say that the Jeep played a significant role in both of these venues. It's function was to serve as the "go-fer". Without the Jeep, there would have been increased hardship in getting these roles achieved.

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Ok... I need some creativity! My paper is on how the jeep impacted the war but... the objective of the paper is if so and so wasnt there how would it have altered history. So if the jeep wasn't made how do you think that would have impacted the war. Get creative! Also I need the exact date the jeep was created and by who or what company. Thank you!!!!

You can't just make it go away. Something would have filled the void.
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Point to consider:

I read the average supplies each individual Japanese soldier in the Pacific Theater had in support, was something around 17 1/2#.

The US soldier had support of something around 8 1/2 TONS!!!

Granted that was ALL supplies; given they had to haul it around somehow.....and the inevitability of 'Jeep' was function/form determined by an inspired Invitation to Bid process. And of course the massive output of American manufacturing process!

The Jeep with 4 cylinders & skinny tires helped establish, win and control battlefields around the world in all climates/terrain on Earth.

The very symbol of 'Jeep' is a national treasure and represents the spirit you will have to compare with those who didn't have such along the way.

Germany's prewar VW Kubelwagen (IIRC), was their own version of light support vehicle capable limited only by the imagination of those using it.

Your question is akin to asking 'what would they have done without the Garand' or 'without SPAM' or 'with B17s' etc. Such a necessary tool, how would we have survive the Ice Age without fire or flint spear points?
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Watch this video on Youtube. It is a documentary by the History Channel and it is very informative.

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The first vehicle to carry the name "Jeep" was made by the Minneapolis-Moline tractor company. It was based off a farm tractor chassis and they were designed for field use primarily to move artillery. Could you picture taking that to the beach with the family?



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