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Old 01-28-2011, 04:33 PM   #1
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The Rubicon is dead! Long live the Rubicon!

Hey guys and gals. This is my first post here so I'm mostly saying hello. I bought my first Wrangler in 1997. It had the lowly 4 cylinder and the only A/C was taking the soft top down, but I drove that thing in the ground for over six years on and off road. Finally traded her off for a 2003 Rubicon. Loved the Rubicon! She was driven mostly on pavement, but I took her offroad my fair share as well. She was no Mall Queen, that's for sure. Still, even with all of that good use, she never broke down during the nearly 8 years and 180,000 miles I drove her. I conducted routine maintenance and had to change an O2 sensor once and that was it. My plan was to drive her until the 4.0 liter quit and then put a different engine in her. Unfortunately, the Rubi recently met her demise when she met the business end of a Snap-On tool truck on an icy rural road. The insurance company totalled her. I didn't miss having a car payment, but I already miss the Jeep. So, now I'm in the market for another Rubicon.

I found a 2010 Rubicon still left on a dealer's lot (surrounded by 2011's). I test drove it and seemed good to me. A lot more "refined" than my old Rubi, but that's okay. Although it was just a short test drive (about ten miles) I didn't really see why some folks are complaining about the engine's power. It felt a bit different than the 4.0 liter did, but I didn't notice a lack of power-it was just different. The dealer seems somewhat motivated to sell in that their first price was $28,000.00, which is $3,115 below the MSRP. Still, I think they can do better, especially given that the 2012's with the Messiah Engine will be out soon enough and I think this 2010 will become even harder to move at that point. My thought is to start at $25,000 and see what I can do.

A bit long winded, but that's my story.

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Welcome.

Check here (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dea...ler-77728.html) as well as the links within the links. Good luck!

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To bad you owed on the Rubi.....you could have bought it back and made one nasty trail rig.
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Welcome!! I too agree that my JK, even being a JKU, has enough power for what I do. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have 500hp, but I sure as heck wouldn't wanna pay for it, at least with my current financial situation when the stock 202hp does what I need it to.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:18 PM   #5
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Check out edmunds.com for true pricing and market values in your area of what others have paid for the same Jeep. Welcome to WF and hurry up and get your jeep!
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To bad you owed on the Rubi.....you could have bought it back and made one nasty trail rig.
She was paid for long ago but used as collateral only last year for a new business I started up. So, the bank got the insurance money but my loan is nearly paid now so it all works. And believe me, the damage was so extensive that it would have taken a lot to bring her back. It could be done, but it would have been a lot of money and time to do it. As my wife frequently reminds me, I was lucky to walk away from that one.
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Welcome.

Check here (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dea...ler-77728.html) as well as the links within the links. Good luck!

Thanks for the link and the welcome!
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Welcome to the forum, Mac!

I have a 2010 Rubi and I am very happy with it so far. I agree that the engine is fine for its intended purpose.

We'd need more details on the Rubi you're looking at in order to say whether or not it's a fair price. Is it a 2 or 4 door, stick or auto, NAV system, etc? The range of $25-28k does sound good to me though.

Good luck with your shopping and keep us posted.
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I agree with what you said about the difference between the 4.0 and the 3.8. I had an 04 now I have an 11 and the 2 motors do have a very different feel.
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...so besides 'insurance' didya get a chance to run thru the SnapOn truck with a little tool sack to soothe your tortured shattered Jeep dreams???..........a ratchet set or something special.....????
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Welcome to the forum, Mac!

I have a 2010 Rubi and I am very happy with it so far. I agree that the engine is fine for its intended purpose.

We'd need more details on the Rubi you're looking at in order to say whether or not it's a fair price. Is it a 2 or 4 door, stick or auto, NAV system, etc? The range of $25-28k does sound good to me though.

Good luck with your shopping and keep us posted.
It's a two door with the "Freedom" top (no soft top). A tow package, manual transmission, power door locks & windows, remote keyless entry, and the security alarm are the listed options (radio is the standard for Rubicon). Except for the power "convenience" items like the power locks and windows, which I would rather not have, this Jeep is equipped exactly the way I probably would have ordered it. His initial offer is probably "fair" but I'd like to get him down a little lower if I can.
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...so besides 'insurance' didya get a chance to run thru the SnapOn truck with a little tool sack to soothe your tortured shattered Jeep dreams???..........a ratchet set or something special.....????
Unfortunately, no.
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Grab it. The 3.6 will have zero effect on the sales of models equipped with the 3.8. Most people are totally unaware of any difference and most naive buyers will view it as a "smaller" engine.

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Welcome! Sounds like a super nice jeep. I agree about the power issues being minimum until you get into hills than it does feel like a mini van.
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Welcome! Sounds like a super nice jeep. I agree about the power issues being minimum until you get into hills than it does feel like a mini van.
It's a manual and has 4:10 gears. He'll have no problems.
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It felt a bit different than the 4.0 liter did, but I didn't notice a lack of power-it was just different.
That difference is the drive -by - wire system as opposed to a direct linkage for the accelerator. You have to get on it a little and the 3.8 likes to be revved. Once you get used to that you'll be fine.
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You have to get on it a little and the 3.8 likes to be revved.
That really seems right to me. I think the computer adapts to your habits too. I drive my manual JKU like I stole it (even with 3.21 gears), often bringing the revs to 3500 or even 4000 when I'm looking for serious acceleration. Honestly, it's got a lot of power. I routinely do 80 on the highway. No problem.

Of course, I'm only getting 16 mpg. Gotta pay the piper somewhere.
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It's a two door with the "Freedom" top (no soft top). A tow package, manual transmission, power door locks & windows, remote keyless entry, and the security alarm are the listed options (radio is the standard for Rubicon). Except for the power "convenience" items like the power locks and windows, which I would rather not have, this Jeep is equipped exactly the way I probably would have ordered it. His initial offer is probably "fair" but I'd like to get him down a little lower if I can.
Sounds like a nice Jeep. Good choice on the manual trans! I think you should be able to do better on the price. Your counteroffer of 25k is much closer to what I'd be willing to pay for it.

And about the power issue - like the others said, just stomp on the skinny pedal when you want it to go and shift late. The engine will scream like crazy but the Jeep will get going at a good pace.
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That difference is the drive -by - wire system as opposed to a direct linkage for the accelerator. You have to get on it a little and the 3.8 likes to be revved. Once you get used to that you'll be fine.
I'll keep that in mind. I think the way I would describe the feeling I was getting is "vague" in regards to the acceleration. Not weak-just vague.
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Sounds like a nice Jeep. Good choice on the manual trans! I think you should be able to do better on the price. Your counteroffer of 25k is much closer to what I'd be willing to pay for it.

And about the power issue - like the others said, just stomp on the skinny pedal when you want it to go and shift late. The engine will scream like crazy but the Jeep will get going a good pace.
To each his own on choice of transmissions (or any other component), but I can't imagine driving anything but a manual in a Wrangler. All three of the Wranglers I've owned have been manuals. The 4 cylinder I bought back in 1997 would have truly been gutless if not for the manual transmission. It was bad enough with the manual. The six speed was a little different though. I don't recall actually ever putting the JK in sixth gear when I test drove it. Probably because I took her out on some hilly, curvy country roads and never really opened her up.
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Id say 30k is too high for a two door. There is a 2010 mango tango 4 door rubi with every bell and whistle including nav and they are asking 30k. You should be able to offer 25 in my opinion.
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Id say 30k is too high for a two door. There is a 2010 mango tango 4 door rubi with every bell and whistle including nav and they are asking 30k. You should be able to offer 25 in my opinion.
He's asking $28,000 as his intial offer. The MSRP is $31,115. There's no way I would give $30,000. I think I can get him down to $26,000-$27,000. I don't have to buy now so I'm willing to walk away if I can't get the price point I'm looking for. Not that I don't really want to have another Wrangler ASAP, but it won't be the end of the world if I can't buy right away. I negotiated for over a month on my 2003 before getting the price I was looking for. I'm willing to wait longer than that now.
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Since you're willing to wait, I would keep shopping around. Given the options the Jeep has I think 26-27k is a fair deal, but not a great deal. You have time on your side so I'd look for a great deal.
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Old 01-29-2011, 07:36 PM   #24
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Well, I got them down to $26,500 and decided to go ahead and pull the trigger. I drove it off the lot this evening and brought her home. I have to say that I love her already and I've not even left the pavement yet. That will be remedied by this time tomorrow. Thanks for all who replied.

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