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Old 10-12-2012, 05:03 AM   #61
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And for me, if I'm in the business of stealing wheels, the first thing I'm going to do when I see a wheel lock key is break into your vehicle to find the key that is in the car 95% of the time.
Good luck finding mine. A really strong zip tie and a good imagination and there are PLENTY of places to hide the key.
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Good luck finding mine. A really strong zip tie and a good imagination and there are PLENTY of places to hide the key.
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But your jeep is still broken into.

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I bet it was an inside job. All you have to do is look through your employment records see who you fired within the past 6 months. 18 vehicles??? the robbers had to know timing and also the fact that there would be no cameras etc...sounds VERY fishy!
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But your jeep is still broken into.
X2, and the better hidden it is, the more frustrated they become and more things they tear up trying to find it because they KNOW it has to be in the Jeep somewhere. At the end of the day, you still end up having to file an insurance claim, just for different damage.

Honestly, I think that for those of us with stock wheels, the risk is probably pretty low. The market for stock wheels is probably weaker for Jeeps than for other vehicles for a number of reasons. Most Wranglers come with decent looking wheels from the factory and the trend seems to be that those looking for something different would go aftermarket rather than a different stock wheel. The only real market I can think of would be for those who damaged their stock wheels and are looking for identical replacements.
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They make kits specifically for removing wheel locks. I have NEVER encountered a set of wheel locks I could not remove within 5 minutes. I worked for Discount Tire for 6 years and many people lose their wheel lock key. Whether they were the key or spline style, they're off very quickly if you know what you're doing. A lot of the gorilla spline type can be pulled off with a regular 17mm socket for most common sizes, for the bigger trucks I think it's a 19mm. You might deter amateurs from stealing your wheels, but if you get someone who knows what they're doing, your wheels are still gone. And for me, if I'm in the business of stealing wheels, the first thing I'm going to do when I see a wheel lock key is break into your vehicle to find the key that is in the car 95% of the time. So on top of wheels, add in the cost of a new window or soft top.

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Besides the key in the car comment, I would disagree. Sockets do not work on Gorilla locks, period. I am FAR from an amateur when it comes to cars, and when a friend of mine lost his key (when you get a set, you get a sticker with a serial number so if you lose the key they can send you a new one) we were not able to remove the acorn style lugs. The spline drive can probably be broken but these...the originals....



You are not going to get them off in a driveway or a parking lot. These are the only ones I use, and these are the ones I am talking about. All the other fancy ones you may be 100% right. However, unless you are in a fully stocked shop, you are not going to get these things off.

For those that want to try, my offer stands. $1000 cash in your pocket if you can remove them, but if you fail, new wheels since you will hack mine up.
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I don't get this - you say you (or someone who knows what they are doing) can take one off in minutes...but then the first thing that you (or a professional wheel thief) are going to do is smash glass and rifle through a vehicle looking for a socket-sized device?


I knew when I posted the original article that there would be a lot of rock throwing at the value of locking lugs. I said as much in the OP, but I posted the story because this was clearly a group of prepared thieves...who stole all of the wheels off 18 cars (72 wheels)...and most likely had a large truck, a compressor, pneumatic tools and at least one floor jack...yet they left the vehicle with the locking lugs alone. That is not a debate. That is what happened.

My experience shows the same. In 25 years of driving Jeeps, living in cities and the suburbs, the only time that I had a wheel stolen was a spare that was not locked. It never happened again in the next 20 years with locks. Is my experience typical? Probably not...but it is mine and what I base my decisions on.





McGard is trash? Not worth being on a lawn mower? Hmm. While one brand may be better than another, almost anything deters at least a casual thief (and the pros in the original article apparently)...and I had McGard on my TJ for 11 years and never had an issue. Furthermore, another guy who posted in this thread stated that he burned through multiple keys in one session on a Gorilla set...this guy:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/the...ml#post2878672

...so perhaps a dose of reality is in order....as opposed to brand fandom. No doubt, five on one wheel are better than one...but I don't take it to that level. More power to you if you do.


Hey, if you don't want to use them, great. Your choice. I use them...and haven't lost a wheel since I started doing so...and will continue to use them. Yes, I am insured...but I'd rather my wheels be on my Jeep than me on the phone with my insurance agent...discussing deductibles...and looking for a tow...far from home.

Either way, I posted the article for general interest. Only you know what works best for you.

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Mcgard at trash for 2 simple reasons...

1) They are made of a soft alloy and the "flower" key is far to small and weak. The end result, the only person it will deter is you. It will strip/break on you and leave you helpless. They can also be easily removed by slamming a 19mm socket onto them.

2) Mcgard is extremely sloppy with who they give master keys out to. Most professional thieves carry a master key to the mcgard locks, as do most shops, junkyards etc. Employees often steal or sell them.

Gorilla on the other hand does not sell their key to anyone. They do not have a master key. They are like swiss bank accounts. The sticker that comes with the kit is your lifeline. You lose that sticker, and you are in deep doo.
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Oh, and one more comment regarding "I don't need locks, I have insurance."

You're wife and yourself are on one week vacation enjoying a nice drive through the Colorado trails. You get tired and head back to the hotel. You wake up, and your Jeep is on blocks. You call your insurance and they say "Oh sir, that's terrible, we will send you a check out immediately so you can buy a nice new shiny set of wheels." Great right? Wrong. Your jeep is still sitting up on blocks. Your vacation is ruined. Worth $50 bucks to you? Not to me.
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X2, and the better hidden it is, the more frustrated they become and more things they tear up trying to find it because they KNOW it has to be in the Jeep somewhere. At the end of the day, you still end up having to file an insurance claim, just for different damage.

Honestly, I think that for those of us with stock wheels, the risk is probably pretty low. The market for stock wheels is probably weaker for Jeeps than for other vehicles for a number of reasons. Most Wranglers come with decent looking wheels from the factory and the trend seems to be that those looking for something different would go aftermarket rather than a different stock wheel. The only real market I can think of would be for those who damaged their stock wheels and are looking for identical replacements.
Stock wheels are often worth more money. Hell, dealers buy them, and then slap sahara 18s on a base sport, and sell it to the customer for $1200.
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Damn good point. And since thieves are stupid they will slice the plastic window instead of unzip it. F#%*!@$
Happened to me last week, 6 months into ownership. Window was all sliced up and they stole a bag with pair of sweatpants. WTF is this world coming to?! And this was in a GOOD area.

The alarm must have an intrusion sensor, because auto-start refused to work and when I walked up to the Jeep I noticed the window was slashed.

Luckily I was able to find a replacement tinted right-side window on eBay.

When someone wants something of YOURS specifically, then locking nuts & locked doors won't stop them. When a thief just wants SOMETHING QUICKLY & EASILY, then chances are things like locked doors and locking nuts will just persuade most of them to move on to the next guy.

That's why I always shake my head when people leave the doors unlocked and don't bother with locking nuts. That's an invitation to every thief who just wants a quick steal...they'll get you every time.
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I drove soft top jeeps for 15 years...and had my share of sliced roofs...perhaps 6 or 7 of them. Hell, I even had an entire roof stolen once.

I have driven hard tops for the last dozen years...and had one break-in during that time...back when portable GPSes were considered valuable...and I left one stuck on my windshield overnight.

That's one of the reasons that I drive a hard top now. It's not that you can't break glass...they just seem more reluctant to do so.

But I digress...



No doubt, a full set of Gorillas is better than one McGard on each wheel...but I would bet a case of beer that the one vehicle in the original photo that didn't have its wheels stolen wasn't rocking 5 locking lug nuts on each wheel...and again, that was a job performed by what had to be pros....or at least guys who wouldn't think twice about breaking a window. It just wasn't worth their time...even knowing that a dealer is far less likely to hide the lug key than an owner. Dealers tend to leave them in the glove compartment so the buyer can find it...but the thieves didn't even bother.

Hell, I bet 25% of owners with lug keys forget to have the thing in the vehicle.
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I drove soft top jeeps for 15 years...and had my share of sliced roofs...perhaps 6 or 7 of them. Hell, I even had an entire roof stolen once.

I have driven hard tops for the last dozen years...and had one break-in during that time...back when portable GPSes were considered valuable...and I left one stuck on my windshield overnight.

That's one of the reasons that I drive a hard top now. It's not that you can't break glass...they just seem more reluctant to do so.

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No doubt, a full set of Gorillas is better than one McGard on each wheel...but I would bet a case of beer that the one vehicle in the original photo that didn't have its wheels stolen wasn't rocking 5 locking lug nuts on each wheel...and again, that was a job performed by what had to be pros....or at least guys who wouldn't think twice about breaking a window. It just wasn't worth their time...even knowing that a dealer is far less likely to hide the lug key than an owner. Dealers tend to leave them in the glove compartment so the buyer can find it...but the thieves didn't even bother.

Hell, I bet 25% of owners with lug keys forget to have the thing in the vehicle.
Guaranteed it was done with a master key.
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All of my lugs are lockers.
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You might deter amateurs from stealing your wheels, but if you get someone who knows what they're doing, your wheels are still gone.
Same would apply for locked doors, alarm systems and immobilizers I guess.


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You people need to learn how to multi-quote. A pissing contest over wheel locks? Really?
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OK....so I'm looking at locking at wheel locks.

What size am I looking for.

I've found the Mopar versions on e-bay for $35 shipped (82211405), but I'm not sure what I need if I go Gorilla. Quadratec has two 23 piece versions....both $39.99. Which one is better? Acorn or spline? Or should I just buy the 5 piece Gorilla locks for $19.99?
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There's a picture somewhere here on this forum from last year someone took of their brand new Sahara, from their apartment window to where it was parked in an alley behind their building, the thing is sitting on 4 cinder blocks and wheels gone. They stick the blocks under it, let the air out of the tires, and take the wheels off in a flash!

Funny and sad picture at the same time.
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Besides the key in the car comment, I would disagree. Sockets do not work on Gorilla locks, period. I am FAR from an amateur when it comes to cars, and when a friend of mine lost his key (when you get a set, you get a sticker with a serial number so if you lose the key they can send you a new one) we were not able to remove the acorn style lugs. The spline drive can probably be broken but these...the originals....



You are not going to get them off in a driveway or a parking lot. These are the only ones I use, and these are the ones I am talking about. All the other fancy ones you may be 100% right. However, unless you are in a fully stocked shop, you are not going to get these things off.

For those that want to try, my offer stands. $1000 cash in your pocket if you can remove them, but if you fail, new wheels since you will hack mine up.

I really can't figure out why you are so sure no one can get those off. A professional will have those off in 5 minutes. Just like the guy who worked at the tire center for 6 years said. People use those lockers, do you think everyone keeps the key? No, they lose them. Do you think everyone just throws their hands up in the air and gives up?

A pro would have your rims, in your driveway, it they wanted. I'm talking a pro, with the experience and the tools. Arguing with this just shows that you are naive.

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What size Gorilla splines would work on a 2013 JKUR? I'm thinking 1/2 x 20 but I'm not sure?
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Interesting video...but after watching it, it sure looks like a bigger pain in the ass than "have all of them off in 5 minutes"

You know, and I keep hearing folks say that in this thread...and I keep wondering if they read the original post. 19 Buick Enclaves on the dealer's lot and 18 had all of their wheels stolen...and the 19th, which was the only one with wheel locks, was not touched.

Does that mean they couldn't do it? No, it probably meant that they couldn't be bothered wasting their time...and that's good enough for me. Let them move on to the next vehicle.
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I always use locks, but make sure it is a QUALITY lug. The garbage sold by mcgard might as well be plastic. Complete and utter trash. Will not stop a thief and is almost guaranteed to break on you when you least need it. Buy gorilla. Have them on all my vehicles (all 20 lugs) and have never, EVER, had a single lug or key rust, break, fail, discolor, chip, etc.
+1 it's what I have. Mine came with Mcgards I took them off. Free to anyone wanting to pay the shipping.
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I really can't figure out why you are so sure no one can get those off. A professional will have those off in 5 minutes. Just like the guy who worked at the tire center for 6 years said. People use those lockers, do you think everyone keeps the key? No, they lose them. Do you think everyone just throws their hands up in the air and gives up?

A pro would have your rims, in your driveway, it they wanted. I'm talking a pro, with the experience and the tools. Arguing with this just shows that you are naive.

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The lock he took off is just as smooth as your locks.

Those are Mcgard locks. They can be removed by slamming a 19mm 12pt socket onto them. I have one strip on the wife's CRV (OEM dealer installed) and I had it off in 2 minutes. Not possible with gorilla locks since they are tapered.
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OK....so I'm looking at locking at wheel locks.

What size am I looking for.

I've found the Mopar versions on e-bay for $35 shipped (82211405), but I'm not sure what I need if I go Gorilla. Quadratec has two 23 piece versions....both $39.99. Which one is better? Acorn or spline? Or should I just buy the 5 piece Gorilla locks for $19.99?
Bumping the question....
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Bumping the question....
I bought the whole set of Gorilla spline locks from QT
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Spline is def the way to go.
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I look at the OP and can't help but think there was a bored NASCAR pit crew passing through.
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What is the recommended torque setting for the Gorilla nuts - I have seen recommendations from 85-125 (which seems like a very wide range) for wheels on ground and 40-80 for the spare for the regular nuts? I have the Sahara alloy wheels.
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I run gorilla locks on all my cars just to make the thief pass on to the next car. Anything to make it more of a PITA. That having been said, I have personally removed gorillas with a hammer and chisel on the splines.

Not exactly stealthy & you can't do it with recessed holes but it can be done.
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I'm still trying to figure this out.
So why is spline better than acorn? Are the acrons on Qtex just regular lug nuts? Are the splines locking (as in needs a special key)....or are they just "different"?

I may end up with the MOPAR ones....but it seems like everyone and there mom would have a MOPAR key.

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