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Old 11-15-2012, 07:22 PM   #91
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I'm still trying to figure this out.
So why is spline better than acorn? Are the acrons on Qtex just regular lug nuts? Are the splines locking (as in needs a special key)....or are they just "different"?

I may end up with the MOPAR ones....but it seems like everyone and there mom would have a MOPAR key.
I'll give you my 5 Mopar ones you pay the shipping. Spline require a key. Acorn are lugnuts.

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We install all Gorilla lug nuts and keys on the wheel sets we do. This is also how we can get them in black with the matte black wheels. To order the correct quantity for the vehicle, the customer ends up with 2 keys, and 2 extra lug nuts.

We had a couple of months where customers were having their spares stolen, and we had one customer with just the front two stolen (front end sitting on the rotors).

My opinion, if a set of wheel locks have a chance of preventing a pain in my rear, then I am going to use them. Having to deal with what my customers have had to.... no thank you!

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I'll give you my 5 Mopar ones you pay the shipping. Spline require a key. Acorn are lugnuts.
I'll think about that....

But if you dislike the Mopar ones that much....maybe I better be safe and go with the splines. I need to order these by tomorrow so I can have them before Thanksgiving (heading into the city).
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What do you do if you lose the only key.. or if you end up shearing/damaging the lug that they doesn't fit anymore? Just to be aware..
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In every package of locking lugs, there should be a key code to reference if you ever needed to replace it.

One thing I learned when I had to get wheel locks for Isuzus from McGard was they sold "shop" keys (which were supposed to be stronger because of the amount of use) and "customer" versions (a lot lower grade material; only for use every once in a while). It cost just a couple bucks more for the shop version, and that is what I always ordered for my customers.

You might want to give McGard a call and ask if they have such an option?
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What do you do if you lose the only key.. or if you end up shearing/damaging the lug that they doesn't fit anymore? Just to be aware..
They come with a sticker, that you should stick somewhere inside the Jeep like inside the glovebox. It will have a serial number. If you ever need a replacement key, you must call gorilla and provide the serial number to them. I'd get a replacement key right away so that you are not stuck in a bind needing a key and having to wait a week for it to arrive.
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In every package of locking lugs, there should be a key code to reference if you ever needed to replace it.

One thing I learned when I had to get wheel locks for Isuzus from McGard was they sold "shop" keys (which were supposed to be stronger because of the amount of use) and "customer" versions (a lot lower grade material; only for use every once in a while). It cost just a couple bucks more for the shop version, and that is what I always ordered for my customers.

You might want to give McGard a call and ask if they have such an option?
The problem is, it's usually too late. The flower "key" part that gets sheared off gets stuck in the lug, and is impossible to get out. Again, They provide zero security and add problems to no one but the owner.
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Mine are more trouble than they're worth. Dealer put em on mine at no extra cost bc the Mickey T sidebiters they aquired for Ivy wouldn't let the original lug nuts fit. One of the many things on my to do list is to find a non locking lug nut one of these days that will fit.

I don't like having to rely on that key not breaking on me if I've got a tire change in the middle of nowhere.
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In every package of locking lugs, there should be a key code to reference if you ever needed to replace it.

One thing I learned when I had to get wheel locks for Isuzus from McGard was they sold "shop" keys (which were supposed to be stronger because of the amount of use) and "customer" versions (a lot lower grade material; only for use every once in a while). It cost just a couple bucks more for the shop version, and that is what I always ordered for my customers.

You might want to give McGard a call and ask if they have such an option?
Thanks. This is my dilemma: I have a '06 liberty which I bought used. It came with McGard locking lug nuts which have worked fantastically for me. I was thinking of taking these and using on my '13 Rubi when she comes. But I didn't get any id sticker / id number when I bought the liberty so I don't know the ID for this key. Should I reuse this one or should I get a new set..

I also found this product on Amazon.
Amazon.com: Wilmar M980 Emergency Lug Nut Removal Set: Home Improvement

What do you guys think of it? personally I was thinking, the worst case is to get a file, and file away at the locking lugs until I get somewhat of a tractile flat surface, and then use vice grips or something, maybe a plumber's wrench to remove it.. if I ever misplace the key.

This product seems to be along the same lines; though instead of filing they use brute force.

Also, I came across this four part youtube video on how to remove locking lug nuts with 20mm sockets
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OK....so I'm looking at locking at wheel locks.

What size am I looking for.

I've found the Mopar versions on e-bay for $35 shipped (82211405), but I'm not sure what I need if I go Gorilla. Quadratec has two 23 piece versions....both $39.99. Which one is better? Acorn or spline? Or should I just buy the 5 piece Gorilla locks for $19.99?
OK......Looking at the Quadratech 23 piece Gorilla set. It says they are splined, but does not say they are security. So the question is, does anyone know if this is designed to be a security set with a unique key or just a splined set ?
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I bought the Mopar set but I don't like the way they stick out of the rim. You can get a pair of vise grips and take them off. No good
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Thanks. This is my dilemma: I have a '06 liberty which I bought used. It came with McGard locking lug nuts which have worked fantastically for me. I was thinking of taking these and using on my '13 Rubi when she comes. But I didn't get any id sticker / id number when I bought the liberty so I don't know the ID for this key. Should I reuse this one or should I get a new set..

I also found this product on Amazon.
Amazon.com: Wilmar M980 Emergency Lug Nut Removal Set: Home Improvement

What do you guys think of it? personally I was thinking, the worst case is to get a file, and file away at the locking lugs until I get somewhat of a tractile flat surface, and then use vice grips or something, maybe a plumber's wrench to remove it.. if I ever misplace the key.

This product seems to be along the same lines; though instead of filing they use brute force.

Also, I came across this four part youtube video on how to remove locking lug nuts with 20mm sockets
superiorsteelheader - YouTube
What do you mean by "worked fantastically?" Did someone attempt to steal your wheels?
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OK......Looking at the Quadratech 23 piece Gorilla set. It says they are splined, but does not say they are security. So the question is, does anyone know if this is designed to be a security set with a unique key or just a splined set ?
I'm not 100% certain, but if it's the same set as the one used by Discount tire, they are just splined. They do have a key, but they do NOT have a unique key with a serial number.
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I'm not 100% certain, but if it's the same set as the one used by Discount tire, they are just splined. They do have a key, but they do NOT have a unique key with a serial number.
I have this set and the splines are symmetrical. (Evenly spaced all around) that being said either I have a very strange (key) or they are generic. But after a year and a half I still have all 5 wheels...
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OK......Looking at the Quadratech 23 piece Gorilla set. It says they are splined, but does not say they are security. So the question is, does anyone know if this is designed to be a security set with a unique key or just a splined set ?
I bought this the other day but haven't installed it yet. (Still running stock wheels and tires)

When I opened the box there's 5 nuts that are in a separate bag with a socket. There's also a sticker with a number to use to get another socket.

I haven't investigated any further than that, but it does appear to be a "secure" set.
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I bought this the other day but haven't installed it yet. (Still running stock wheels and tires)

When I opened the box there's 5 nuts that are in a separate bag with a socket. There's also a sticker with a number to use to get another socket.

I haven't investigated any further than that, but it does appear to be a "secure" set.
if you have a silver sticker with a unique serial number, it is the unique key set.
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I'm chatting with QTec right now...

The Gorilla spline is a non-locking set.
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I didn't think it was locking either when I bought it from Quadratec. I just needed black lugs, for my black wheels.

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I don't get it...
So is it security or not? Or is it 5 spline lug nuts that all simply need a spline socket?
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Foo.c has the same set that DT used when installing my new wheels and tires. Albeit mine were silver, but they're the locking spline design just like those pics.
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I don't get it...
So is it security or not? Or is it 5 spline lug nuts that all simply need a spline socket?
They're one and the same as I understand it. They provide security in that it takes more than a traditional hex socket or tire jack kit to remove them.
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They're one and the same as I understand it. They provide security in that it takes more than a traditional hex socket or tire jack kit to remove them.
no they are not one in the same. The regular gorilla splined lug nuts can be removed with their splined lug nut socket that is available to anyone who wants to buy one, the security one has unique splines and the socket needed to remove those is only available to those who have the security code.
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I don't get it...
So is it security or not? Or is it 5 spline lug nuts that all simply need a spline socket?
5 of the nuts will only come off with the specific socket that comes in the kit, the others will come off with any Gorilla spline socket.

At least that's how I understand it ...

So there are two layers of security.
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5 of the nuts will only come off with the specific socket that comes in the kit, the others will come off with any Gorilla spline socket.

At least that's how I understand it ...

So there are two layers of security.
So are there two different sockets....or at least two types of lugs?

I noticed that a standard Gorilla spline socket is available on Amazon for $10.00....so I wasn't sure if a such a socket is easily available.
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So are there two different sockets....or at least two types of lugs?

I noticed that a standard Gorilla spline socket is available on Amazon for $10.00....so I wasn't sure if a such a socket is easily available.
The kit comes with one socket that works on all the nuts in the set.

But if you buy a kit, for example, I can take off 18 of the nuts in that kit with my socket. Those are the generic nuts. You have 5 more nuts that can only come off with the socket that came in your kit (or a specific replacement).

Make sense?
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The kit comes with one socket that works on all the nuts in the set.

But if you buy a kit, for example, I can take off 18 of the nuts in that kit with my socket. Those are the generic nuts. You have 5 more nuts that can only come off with the socket that came in your kit (or a specific replacement).

Make sense?
Ohhh....I see. So the kit comes with two types of lug nuts.
Just curious, is it easy to tell the "generic" splines from the security ones? And did you get yours from Quadratec?

Are the locking ones the bottom ones? (They seem to have some sort of symbol on the top)


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Edit....
I just noticed that you can't blow up the pic of the chrome versions on their site. I can't tell of those have different lugs or not.

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Took a closer look ...

The locking nuts have a G stamped on the top. The others don't. Perhaps the chrome set is the same?

I did buy from Quadratec, the part number is listed a few posts up.

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Ohhh....I see. So the kit comes with two types of lug nuts.
Just curious, is it easy to tell the "generic" splines from the security ones? And did you get yours from Quadratec?

Are the locking ones the bottom ones?


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I just noticed that you can't blow up the pic of the chrome versions on their site. I can't tell of those have different lugs or not.

It does appear the top row across has G stamped on them.
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Yeah, I think I just found a pic of the chrome ones.



Qtec said they were not security, but it looks like they are. I'm a bit nevous about ordering now...

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