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Old 04-06-2010, 01:00 PM   #31
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I thought the wave here in Ca is dead too, but yesterday .. the guy actually wave back .. LOL ... Hit and miss i guess ... However, this is what i notice. The guy that actually wave back because we ran into each other down the road. When I see him about to make a right onto my street, I waved and he kidda ignore me .. but when we drove down the road a lil further and he passed me, he wave back. So, I guess sometimes people get caught up and forget about it, or not paying attention to others jeep. But if you get their attention, they will wave back.

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A previous poster might have been right....today's weather was warm and sunny....got two waves! This summer, I'll try an experiment...when I go to the beach with my girl, I'll put the top down, have her drive and wear her bikini. I have a feeling the "wave ratio" will increase. She looks good in her bikini!

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...blah blah blah beach blah blah girl, blah blah top down, blah blah wear her bikini. Blah blah blah. She looks good in her bikini!
Good idea; pics please.
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seems i get them in independence mo (near KC, MO) i'm in a yj, getting waves from tj's and jk's. the cj guys around here seem to have their heads up their a$$es though.
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NYC = no waves, ever....got a horn honk once, doesn't bother me one bit.....I like to drive, not wave!!
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OK, what we are talking about here is the science of the jeep wave. I haven't posted in the thread yet but took the time to read all the way through. I've read all the way through the jeep wave thread in the other general wrangler part of the forum but haven't done it lately. I'm a school teacher with a Bachelor of Science degree. I usually tend to look at various problems from a science point of view. Now, lets assume that most people (in general) are friendly and when waved to will return a wave. I had a neighbor who while he toiled as a welder and worked outside facing traffic would wave to everybody. Most people who would drive by would wave back and many would toot if he wasn't paying attention. So, I conclude that some people, if persistent enough can get the desired result.

Now, I've been a jeep owner since Nov. of 07 so, I have some experience on this and have been experimenting since the beginning with the wave. There are all kinds of waves. I have tried many of them, as many as I have seen used on me. What I have been finding is that the more visible that the wave is the better response that I get back. I have gotten the best response when I use my whole hand - four fingers side by side and thumb beside the fingers - giving maximum width to my hand and the hand in motion but not necessarily waving to the right of the steering wheel and almost in the center of the windshield. I get extremely good response on this wave. Other waves with less flesh showing just don't get the same response. It may have something to do with lighting in the jeep being dark and the hand being a good contrast to the background and is able to be seen better. I'm speculating here. Holding a couple of fingers up off of the steering wheel got the worst response...I believe people just can't see the wave with only two fingers so can't respond to what they don't see or notice. Now, reduce that even further to the one finger wave and scientifically speaking you will get even less response get my meaning? ...they didn't have a smiley with only one finger .

Lets talk initiating vs responding to a wave. If you initiate the wave, the sooner that you initiate in the opposite direction passing of jeeps, the other jeeper has very little chance to see and respond because the relative speed of the two jeeps is practically double - if you are traveling 40 in a 40 mph zone (assuming that in a perfect world nobody will be speeding ), and the other jeeper is doing the same, the relative speed one jeep to the other is 80mph. That is pretty fast to initiate, have the other jeeper see and then respond to the wave. So, remember to wave early in response to a wave. Responding to the wave is obviously the other side of this equation. If you see the wave early enough, it is easy to respond and be seen.. Responding late, the other jeeper is at your location or already by you and you have failed to allow the other jeeper to see your wave no matter how good intentioned you were in returning the wave.

Then there is the problem of the distracted driver. There are a lot of reasons that the other jeeper may be distracted. Stereotyping here by saying a woman being distracted by putting on makeup will only serve to piss off the opposite sex. What about the guys reading the newspaper or shaving...to continue stereotyping so as not to piss off only the one sex. Lets just call the other driver distracted and try to consider some non sexist reasons for drivers to be distracted. The most common reason I can think of to be distracted in driving is when traffic is heavy. It is harder to maintain distance so a driver should be concentrating more on driving and less on waving. The distraction is amplified when coming to a stop or starting up. So when in heavy traffic, don't expect a wave back and don't include it in your scientific percentages of waves returned.

Another area of difficulty for the wave is lanes of traffic and lane dividers. Basically my theory here is that the further apart that the two jeeps are separated by any obstruction, the wave is almost extinguished so don't count these in your percentages either. Count only the jeepers directly opposite you on the solid yellow or dashed yellow line. A lane of separation between two jeepers doesn't count...the return wave is actually a bonus.

Finally, there is low light wave response. If it is one half hour before the street lights come on to one half hour after the street lights go off it is too dark to see the other jeeper wave so if you wave and get a return between these tow times, consider that wave return a bonus too. When I can no longer see the driver of the other jeep, I do not initiate or return waves...give it a rest at night. It is best.

There is a lot more science to the wave but I have pared it down as much as possible for inclusion in this very brief....but long winded post!

So, if you read through the whole thing, you can see that the wave is actually pretty complicated. Bottom line, the jeep wave is not dead, there are just some deadbeats and a lot of distracted drivers. Remember, most people will return a wave when waved to...it is a natural response just as looking away when you see someone pick their nose is another natural response...why do you think they teach our CIA agents to pick their nose when they are doing something that they don't want the average person paying attention to at that moment in time in the direction of the nose picker. Think about it.

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I get the wave back some of the time, I try to make eye contact to make sure there looking. The bad part comes when the ol' lady starts to tease becuase they didnt wave back...
I totally know what you mean. I freakin hate that!!!
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seems i get them in independence mo (near KC, MO) i'm in a yj, getting waves from tj's and jk's. the cj guys around here seem to have their heads up their a$$es though.
I'm in Pleasant Hill! It's about 12 miles south of Blue Springs. I grew up in Indep!
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I'm about to order my first Jeep, an Unlimited Rubicon, and I had no idea about the wave. I'll be sure to carry it through in Biloxi, MS.... Thanks for the education!
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I got the biggest wave from another jk owner yesterday. It was the driver and passanger with their hands out of the top and doors.
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Actual footage of jk'n waving on March 17th:

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As a Corvette owner also, the vette wavers seem to be dying off as well. New vette owners never wave. They either don't know or their nose is way up there. The older vette owners (meaning older Corvettes) wave like 90% of the time. Carrying on the tradition.

I didn't know about the Jeep wave, but now that I know, thats a cool thing to do.
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OK, what we are talking about here is the science of the jeep wave. I haven't posted in the thread yet but took the time to read all the way through. I've read all the way through the jeep wave thread in the other general wrangler part of the forum but haven't done it lately. I'm a school teacher with a Bachelor of Science degree. I usually tend to look at various problems from a science point of view. Now, lets assume that most people (in general) are friendly and when waved to will return a wave. I had a neighbor who while he toiled as a welder and worked outside facing traffic would wave to everybody. Most people who would drive by would wave back and many would toot if he wasn't paying attention. So, I conclude that some people, if persistent enough can get the desired result.

Now, I've been a jeep owner since Nov. of 07 so, I have some experience on this and have been experimenting since the beginning with the wave. There are all kinds of waves. I have tried many of them, as many as I have seen used on me. What I have been finding is that the more visible that the wave is the better response that I get back. I have gotten the best response when I use my whole hand - four fingers side by side and thumb beside the fingers - giving maximum width to my hand and the hand in motion but not necessarily waving to the right of the steering wheel and almost in the center of the windshield. I get extremely good response on this wave. Other waves with less flesh showing just don't get the same response. It may have something to do with lighting in the jeep being dark and the hand being a good contrast to the background and is able to be seen better. I'm speculating here. Holding a couple of fingers up off of the steering wheel got the worst response...I believe people just can't see the wave with only two fingers so can't respond to what they don't see or notice. Now, reduce that even further to the one finger wave and scientifically speaking you will get even less response get my meaning? ...they didn't have a smiley with only one finger .

Lets talk initiating vs responding to a wave. If you initiate the wave, the sooner that you initiate in the opposite direction passing of jeeps, the other jeeper has very little chance to see and respond because the relative speed of the two jeeps is practically double - if you are traveling 40 in a 40 mph zone (assuming that in a perfect world nobody will be speeding ), and the other jeeper is doing the same, the relative speed one jeep to the other is 80mph. That is pretty fast to initiate, have the other jeeper see and then respond to the wave. So, remember to wave early in response to a wave. Responding to the wave is obviously the other side of this equation. If you see the wave early enough, it is easy to respond and be seen.. Responding late, the other jeeper is at your location or already by you and you have failed to allow the other jeeper to see your wave no matter how good intentioned you were in returning the wave.

Then there is the problem of the distracted driver. There are a lot of reasons that the other jeeper may be distracted. Stereotyping here by saying a woman being distracted by putting on makeup will only serve to piss off the opposite sex. What about the guys reading the newspaper or shaving...to continue stereotyping so as not to piss off only the one sex. Lets just call the other driver distracted and try to consider some non sexist reasons for drivers to be distracted. The most common reason I can think of to be distracted in driving is when traffic is heavy. It is harder to maintain distance so a driver should be concentrating more on driving and less on waving. The distraction is amplified when coming to a stop or starting up. So when in heavy traffic, don't expect a wave back and don't include it in your scientific percentages of waves returned.

Another area of difficulty for the wave is lanes of traffic and lane dividers. Basically my theory here is that the further apart that the two jeeps are separated by any obstruction, the wave is almost extinguished so don't count these in your percentages either. Count only the jeepers directly opposite you on the solid yellow or dashed yellow line. A lane of separation between two jeepers doesn't count...the return wave is actually a bonus.

Finally, there is low light wave response. If it is one half hour before the street lights come on to one half hour after the street lights go off it is too dark to see the other jeeper wave so if you wave and get a return between these tow times, consider that wave return a bonus too. When I can no longer see the driver of the other jeep, I do not initiate or return waves...give it a rest at night. It is best.

There is a lot more science to the wave but I have pared it down as much as possible for inclusion in this very brief....but long winded post!

So, if you read through the whole thing, you can see that the wave is actually pretty complicated. Bottom line, the jeep wave is not dead, there are just some deadbeats and a lot of distracted drivers. Remember, most people will return a wave when waved to...it is a natural response just as looking away when you see someone pick their nose is another natural response...why do you think they teach our CIA agents to pick their nose when they are doing something that they don't want the average person paying attention to at that moment in time in the direction of the nose picker. Think about it.

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OK, what we are talking about here is the science of the jeep wave. I haven't posted in the thread yet but took the time to read all the way through. I've read all the way through the jeep wave thread in the other general wrangler part of the forum but haven't done it lately. I'm a school teacher with a Bachelor of Science degree. I usually tend to look at various problems from a science point of view. Now, lets assume that most people (in general) are friendly and when waved to will return a wave. I had a neighbor who while he toiled as a welder and worked outside facing traffic would wave to everybody. Most people who would drive by would wave back and many would toot if he wasn't paying attention. So, I conclude that some people, if persistent enough can get the desired result.

Now, I've been a jeep owner since Nov. of 07 so, I have some experience on this and have been experimenting since the beginning with the wave. There are all kinds of waves. I have tried many of them, as many as I have seen used on me. What I have been finding is that the more visible that the wave is the better response that I get back. I have gotten the best response when I use my whole hand - four fingers side by side and thumb beside the fingers - giving maximum width to my hand and the hand in motion but not necessarily waving to the right of the steering wheel and almost in the center of the windshield. I get extremely good response on this wave. Other waves with less flesh showing just don't get the same response. It may have something to do with lighting in the jeep being dark and the hand being a good contrast to the background and is able to be seen better. I'm speculating here. Holding a couple of fingers up off of the steering wheel got the worst response...I believe people just can't see the wave with only two fingers so can't respond to what they don't see or notice. Now, reduce that even further to the one finger wave and scientifically speaking you will get even less response get my meaning? ...they didn't have a smiley with only one finger .

Lets talk initiating vs responding to a wave. If you initiate the wave, the sooner that you initiate in the opposite direction passing of jeeps, the other jeeper has very little chance to see and respond because the relative speed of the two jeeps is practically double - if you are traveling 40 in a 40 mph zone (assuming that in a perfect world nobody will be speeding ), and the other jeeper is doing the same, the relative speed one jeep to the other is 80mph. That is pretty fast to initiate, have the other jeeper see and then respond to the wave. So, remember to wave early in response to a wave. Responding to the wave is obviously the other side of this equation. If you see the wave early enough, it is easy to respond and be seen.. Responding late, the other jeeper is at your location or already by you and you have failed to allow the other jeeper to see your wave no matter how good intentioned you were in returning the wave.

Then there is the problem of the distracted driver. There are a lot of reasons that the other jeeper may be distracted. Stereotyping here by saying a woman being distracted by putting on makeup will only serve to piss off the opposite sex. What about the guys reading the newspaper or shaving...to continue stereotyping so as not to piss off only the one sex. Lets just call the other driver distracted and try to consider some non sexist reasons for drivers to be distracted. The most common reason I can think of to be distracted in driving is when traffic is heavy. It is harder to maintain distance so a driver should be concentrating more on driving and less on waving. The distraction is amplified when coming to a stop or starting up. So when in heavy traffic, don't expect a wave back and don't include it in your scientific percentages of waves returned.

Another area of difficulty for the wave is lanes of traffic and lane dividers. Basically my theory here is that the further apart that the two jeeps are separated by any obstruction, the wave is almost extinguished so don't count these in your percentages either. Count only the jeepers directly opposite you on the solid yellow or dashed yellow line. A lane of separation between two jeepers doesn't count...the return wave is actually a bonus.

Finally, there is low light wave response. If it is one half hour before the street lights come on to one half hour after the street lights go off it is too dark to see the other jeeper wave so if you wave and get a return between these tow times, consider that wave return a bonus too. When I can no longer see the driver of the other jeep, I do not initiate or return waves...give it a rest at night. It is best.

There is a lot more science to the wave but I have pared it down as much as possible for inclusion in this very brief....but long winded post!

So, if you read through the whole thing, you can see that the wave is actually pretty complicated. Bottom line, the jeep wave is not dead, there are just some deadbeats and a lot of distracted drivers. Remember, most people will return a wave when waved to...it is a natural response just as looking away when you see someone pick their nose is another natural response...why do you think they teach our CIA agents to pick their nose when they are doing something that they don't want the average person paying attention to at that moment in time in the direction of the nose picker. Think about it.

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I just bought my first jeep on the 10th and the financing lady made it a big point that I know about the jeep wave before she would let me buy the jeep from them....I've got the 4 door so I've seen some 2-doors that won't wave, but I would say that 95% of waves are returned with the exception of the women who aren't paying any attention...
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Bummer - most people with offroad jeeps understand - you must be waving to yuppy jeepers/mall crawlers - don't get me wrong I like all jeeps, but the soccer moms dont get involved in the "JEEP" life style. I wave at all jeeps also and only receive a few back - but those few I receive back is enough to justify that I keep the wave alive and strong!!!
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I wave at every Wrangler I see. I'll even wave at the XJ's and KJ's if they've been modded enough. But if it's a JKU, first I look for a front axle. After a year of waving my ass off to fellow JK's I've learned that you'll NEVER get a wave back from the JKU drivin soccer mom's headin to the spa cuz she just dropped the brats off at the mall.

If I see a suit driving a stockish JKU, but it's still 4x4, I'll take a chance and throw out the wave... but I usually get let down (no offense to any stockish JKU drivin suits here)
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As a suit wearing JKU owner I make sure I wave. I was driving my wife's minivan the other day and saw a YJ go by and out of habit waved and got a wave back, go figure.
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As a suit wearing JKU owner I make sure I wave. I was driving my wife's minivan the other day and saw a YJ go by and out of habit waved and got a wave back, go figure.
I do the same!!!! I keep waving people even wen I drive my wife's suv.
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I just bought my first jeep on the 10th and the financing lady made it a big point that I know about the jeep wave before she would let me buy the jeep from them....I've got the 4 door so I've seen some 2-doors that won't wave, but I would say that 95% of waves are returned with the exception of the women who aren't paying any attention...
I'll admit when I'm wrong...and today I was proved wrong...by a soccer mom who was busy talking on her cell phone and yelling at her kids while driving her Jeep commander. As I approached her on the road she put her phone on the dash for a minute and waved excitedly as we passed.

Maybe there is hope for this world after all?

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Well with all the suits here, I'm glad I keep wavin

I do get a fair amount of wave-backs. I typically run up around 30k miles a year due to a long commute and a job that requires I drive all over a 900 square mile area most every day. So I see a ton of Jeeps! Most wave back.
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I dont understand why it matters if no one waves. Who cares? I wont lie, I am used to waveing at bikes when I ride, but I hardly ever, if ever, wave at a Jeep. Mostly cause I dont think about it, and Im to late if someone does.
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The first day I drove my jeep i kept getting waves and just had to laugh not knowing that people did that. Every time I'm about to pass a wrangler i get prepared for the wave. Most exciting part of driving.
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Update - out yesterday and got most of the waves returned. It was a great, sunny day and many of us were topless. Best one was a family of 4, everyone had their hands up with the parents waving out the top, just like me.

Seem to get more response with the top and doors off ...
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its a matter of ignorance. i didnt know anything about it, till i joined the site couple months ago. now i wave all the time. and rarely get a return wave. but its only a matter of time and others will get with the program same as i did
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Dang JK'n... teacher in you sneakin' out??

I wave to every Wrangler I see, and most Cherokee's that are modded, not usually the stockers as they are almost all driven by folks I wouldn't expect to return the wave (in my area).

I did find myself being a snob the other day and kinda feel bad about it. Pulled up to a light next to a completely stock 4Dr Rubi with his top up, windows rolled down. Mine was topless, cause to me it is sacrilege to drive on a sunny 75* day with the top up.... But I waved when I pulled up, looked at him and tried oh so hard to find something nice to say while we sat there, but couldn't find anything at all to compliment him on. Now I feel bad. Do I need help??? Oh wait, this isn't that kind of forum is it?
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The wave is not death.. In my opinion more of the newbie Jeepers need to be educated.. I keep on giving the wave and have seen some "non wavers" all of a sudden waving back..
Granted, it can be frustrating.. especially in the metropolitan areas..
But once I drive "UP North" in Michigan the wave return is almost a 100% deal..
Just keep it up..(The sun always shines behind the clouds..)


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^^^^^Don't feel bad Inferno. He was in a 4-door so it doesn't count. He may as well have been driving a Town & Country minivan....
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Dang JK'n... teacher in you sneakin' out??
Funny thing is that I was a science major, but I guess I enjoy literature. It wasn't always that way. Literature has grown on me as I have gotten older. Combine that with jeep ownership and it has been producing some quirky results.

Regarding the wave, I always get excellent results when I wave early and visible. I wouldn't call the jeep an obsession but it certainly has become a great source of pleasure since Nov. 07'.
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Mine was topless, cause to me it is sacrilege to drive on a sunny 75* day with the top up
I couldn't agree more!

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