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Old 01-18-2010, 03:55 PM   #1
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Talking thinking about a new Rubicon

I have a 2008 Wrangler Sahara and recently saw a Rubican I fell in love with. While I do some off roading the majority of my driving is highway and around town. The Sahara does a wonderful job for me but I like the looks of the Rubican much better. Do you think I would be making a mistake with the Rubi considering the type of driving that I do? I'm concerned with the noise of the tires and the handling.

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What part of the looks do you like? Why not just change those things on your Sahara? Rubicon is a waste of a great Jeep, if you stay on the pavement.

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What part of the looks do you like? Why not just change those things on your Sahara? Rubicon is a waste of a great Jeep, if you stay on the pavement.
^^^ What She Said! ^^^

Take your statement here... "While I do some off roading the majority of my driving is highway and around town." Now... switch it around... "While I do some highway and around town driving, the majority of my driving is off roading." NOW... you're describing the Rubi! It's meant for 90% Off-Road, and 10% On-Road, in order to get the full benefit of the Rubi's Power and Suspension, and also to justify the extra expense.

If you buy a Rubi for 90% On-Road, you're giving the Second Owner a HELLUVA Deal, when they buy it used, sometime in the future!

As far as I know, there's nothing on the Rubi, that you can't buy and put on the Sahara. All parts are pretty much interchangeable, as far as I know. You can even swap out the Painted/Unpainted Fenders between the two. What parts on the Rubi have you thinking about doing a swap?

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I do your kind of driving. I had the Sahara Unlimited 08. When I had the chance, I upgraded to an 08 Rubicon Unlimited. I haven't looked back. I enjoy it both on the highway and off road. I say, if you have the money and want to see it do it's tricks on the trail, get the Rubicon. I for one don't spend a lot of time turning nuts and bolts as most of that is left to someone else. This may change when I retire. But for right now I let someone else do that. From experience, my Rubicon right out of the box has been a boatload of fun. Do it if you can afford it, build it if you can't and, in my opinion, that is part of the fun of ownership.
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Get it. Just got a 10 Rubicon and it's great. I thought my 06 Sport was good, but this is great. As for the tire noise, haven't really noticed much probably because the Nav./CD/DVD/everything system was blasting. Good Luck.
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I have a 2008 Wrangler Sahara and recently saw a Rubican I fell in love with. While I do some off roading the majority of my driving is highway and around town. The Sahara does a wonderful job for me but I like the looks of the Rubican much better. Do you think I would be making a mistake with the Rubi considering the type of driving that I do? I'm concerned with the noise of the tires and the handling.
I have a 08 rubicon,I don't off road at all.(just don't have the time)but I agree my Rubi just looks better than the X or the Sport.Buy the Rubicon its fine on regular pavement.When I had a sahara ,I too was wishing I bought a rubicon.Buy the Rubi and enjoy.
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In Oct '08, after 1 month of building and searching (one dealer) I got my Rubi-exactly as I wanted-$30,285

Now, it's Jan '10 and here on the west coast, most low mileage "08 Rubi's sell for 30/35K

Whats up with that

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You want to take a financial hit to purchase a more capable Jeep as a fashion accessory?
Why not put that same money into mods and save gobs of money...?


Does this Jeep make my butt look big? It's a Sahara too...
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I have a 08 rubicon,I don't off road at all.(just don't have the time)but I agree my Rubi just looks better than the X or the Sport.Buy the Rubicon its fine on regular pavement.When I had a sahara ,I too was wishing I bought a rubicon.Buy the Rubi and enjoy.
I just shed a tear . . . your poor neglected Rubi, shame on you, make some time and get her out where she belongs . . . OFF ROAD. I have an 06 Rubi and love it, it's my daily driver (now I work from home so not really I guess), but it sees a lot of trail time too. Like others have said, if you are just going for looks and won't be doing much in the way of tough trails, just stick with the Sahara, Sport, etc and add some cooler looking tires or something . . . hell, doesn't the X come in 2wd now days Rubi's kick ass, but it's a total waste to spend money on things like lockers, 4:1 TC, etc if you are never going to use them. Then again, the second owner will sure love you for it . . . frankly I don't understand purchasing a Wrangler period if you aren't planning to go off road . . . it's the one and pretty much only thing these vehicles are good at . . . horrible gas milage, poor handling, lacks the creature comforts of most cars, etc, etc . . . I traded a BMW for my Jeep . . . and would sure be kicking myself for doing so, if the plan wasn't to take her off road.
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Heh Heh, gobs of money I have already put in my RUBI, but


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Why not put that same money into mods and save gobs of money...?


Does this Jeep make my butt look big? It's a Sahara too...
Lets go back to Oct '08, now tell me how I coulda done better than $30K (West coast)without the front/rear locker-4-1 xfer case-32" BFG's/MOAB wheels-swaybar disco's-RUBICON hood decal-VIN declaring RUBICON and a 10/25% higher resale value

Now, I've sold most of your "FASHION STATEMENT" stuff, for $1500 bucks

Course, maybe you weren't talking to me, huh HD

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Unless your occassional offroading is fairly hard core then IMHO, you are wasting your money buying a Rubi unless you will put it's offroad capabilities to use. Put the Rubicon logo, wheels, tires, rock rails, etc on your Sahara. On the other hand you won't have any problems relative to handling and the noise from the tires will only be slightly louder than what you have.

Our offroad driving consists of driving on private dirt and gravel "roads" that definitely demand a capable 4WD vehicle, but no rock crawling or hardcore stuff. The X does just fine with the addition of the 32 inch BFG KM tires and wheels standard on the Rubi.

But if you have the money and that's what makes you happy then go for it. Purists be damned!
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Unless your occassional offroading is fairly hard core then IMHO, you are wasting your money buying a Rubi unless you will put it's offroad capabilities to use. Put the Rubicon logo, wheels, tires, rock rails, etc on your Sahara. On the other hand you won't have any problems relative to handling and the noise from the tires will only be slightly louder than what you have.

Our offroad driving consists of driving on private dirt and gravel "roads" that definitely demand a capable 4WD vehicle, but no rock crawling or hardcore stuff. The X does just fine with the addition of the 32 inch BFG KM tires and wheels standard on the Rubi.

But if you have the money and that's what makes you happy then go for it. Purists be damned!
Exactly,talk about penny pinching,screw that, buy the RUBI! And yes when I trade my 08 rubi in for a 2011 Rubi ,the new guy getting my 08 is going to get a great jeep than has never been tested.God bless, I hope he loves it!!! And I will enjoy my new Rubicon. nothing like a Rubicon.
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I just shed a tear . . . your poor neglected Rubi, shame on you, make some time and get her out where she belongs . . . OFF ROAD. I have an 06 Rubi and love it, it's my daily driver (now I work from home so not really I guess), but it sees a lot of trail time too. Like others have said, if you are just going for looks and won't be doing much in the way of tough trails, just stick with the Sahara, Sport, etc and add some cooler looking tires or something . . . hell, doesn't the X come in 2wd now days Rubi's kick ass, but it's a total waste to spend money on things like lockers, 4:1 TC, etc if you are never going to use them. Then again, the second owner will sure love you for it . . . frankly I don't understand purchasing a Wrangler period if you aren't planning to go off road . . . it's the one and pretty much only thing these vehicles are good at . . . horrible gas milage, poor handling, lacks the creature comforts of most cars, etc, etc . . . I traded a BMW for my Jeep . . . and would sure be kicking myself for doing so, if the plan wasn't to take her off road.

you don't know why anybody would buy a wrangler ,if they weren't going off road? Well to each his own.If we all bought what we needed ,we would all be driving Honda Civics. Climbing over rocks just isn't my thing.
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Exactly,talk about penny pinching,screw that, buy the RUBI! And yes when I trade my 08 rubi in for a 2011 Rubi ,the new guy getting my 08 is going to get a great jeep than has never been tested.God bless, I hope he loves it!!! And I will enjoy my new Rubicon. nothing like a Rubicon.
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It is hard to explain why I have a Rubicon. Firstly because I like toys and this sure is my favorite toy. I'm not off road a lot but when I do get off road, I want something dependable to do it with. Because of my hobbies: ham radio (and mountain topping), skiing, backpacking, off the beaten trail camping, kayaking, bicycling, etc. I drive the jeep into places that I can't drive many other vehicles into...and then out of. Maybe I could have done this in a Sahara but...even though I may not use the features a lot...I like having them with me and not having to add them one feature at a time. Lastly, I had the money to be able to swing the purchase. Because of how rugged this jeep is, I'm figuring that it will last me a long time. As it ages, I'm likely to try things with it that I may not have attempted when it was new. If you can't afford it like I said in my last post then buy simple and build as some have said in posts above but...hell..if you can afford it then why not get the Rubicon.

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you don't know why anybody would buy a wrangler ,if they weren't going off road? Well to each his own.If we all bought what we needed ,we would all be driving Honda Civics. Climbing over rocks just isn't my thing.
Yup . . . makes no sense to me whatsoever. Can't take a Honda Civic offroad . . . pretty much my point . . . that's why I traded a BMW for my Rubi . . . it certainly wasn't the creature comforts, milage, handling, etc. Outside of offroad performance, what does a Jeep have to offer . . . a cool fashion statement or image I guess.

Stop trying to justify your neglect and just take your Rubi offroad . . . worst case scenerio, you'll love it 100x more than you do now
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Hilldweller, you have a big butt???
Couldn't tell from all your posts!
The Sahara just makes it look big.


Jimbo --- I was talking about his financial hit. Trading a depreciated-but-perfectly-functional Sahara for a Rubicon-that-he-doesn't-need-but-thinks-looks-prettier.
Nobody wins but the dealer and whoever buys the used Rubi when he gets bored with it.
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Jimbo --- I was talking about his financial hit. Trading a depreciated-but-perfectly-functional Sahara for a Rubicon-that-he-doesn't-need-but-thinks-looks-prettier.
Nobody wins but the dealer and whoever buys the used Rubi when he gets bored with it.
It didn't fit with my evaluation of your demeanor, which, by the way, is probably much higher than you suspect

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Yup . . . makes no sense to me whatsoever. Can't take a Honda Civic offroad . . . pretty much my point . . . that's why I traded a BMW for my Rubi . . . it certainly wasn't the creature comforts, milage, handling, etc. Outside of offroad performance, what does a Jeep have to offer . . . a cool fashion statement or image I guess.

Stop trying to justify your neglect and just take your Rubi offroad . . . worst case scenerio, you'll love it 100x more than you do now
A cool fashion statement?? Its a Jeep Rubicon! Dude,I spent 126,000 dollars on my 911 turbo 09,that is a fashion statement. not a 33,000 dollar jeep. We are not all hillbillies in this forum!!,I love my jeep Rubicon but it is no fashion statement. Puleasseee!
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A cool fashion statement?? Its a Jeep Rubicon! Dude,I spent 126,000 dollars on my 911 turbo 09,that is a fashion statement. not a 33,000 dollar jeep. We are not all hillbillies in this forum!!,I love my jeep Rubicon but it is no fashion statement. Puleasseee!


Guess I just don't get ya . . . it's okay . . . no biggie. Didn't mean to infer than anyone here is a hillbilly . . . not sure how I did, but anyway. My point is simply, that the Jeep Wrangler and espeically the Rubicon are made to perform well offroad . . . just about every other area of the vehicle has been compromised in order for them to do so well off road . . . so what's the point in buying one if you are not going to take it off road . . . it's certianly not the comfort, milage, handling, etc . . . so you tell me what is it??? On another note, I dig the 911 too . . . started going down that path too when I had the BMW and almost got one, but it most certainly wasn't for a fashion statement like you suggest . . . once again is has to do with what the vehicle is designed to do . . . Porsche makes perhaps one of if not the best handling, corner hugging cars on the road . . . and that's exactly what attracted me to them . . . just like the off road performance is what attracted me to the Rubi. I bought a Rubi to hit the trail not the mall . . . I'd buy a Porsche to haul ass thru the canyons . . . again . . . I guess I just don't get ya. Does the Jeep help balance out the Porsche image or what?
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I have a 2008 Wrangler Sahara and recently saw a Rubican I fell in love with. While I do some off roading the majority of my driving is highway and around town. The Sahara does a wonderful job for me but I like the looks of the Rubican much better. Do you think I would be making a mistake with the Rubi considering the type of driving that I do? I'm concerned with the noise of the tires and the handling.
Just noticed he spelled Rubicon wrong too.
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Can you not build the sahara as capable as the rubicon? 10-15K is alot of building!
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the sahara is not 10-15k less in price and if he fell in love with the rubican just by looking at it then all he needs to do is trade out tires and put a "rubiclone" sticker on it
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Schmo,

I think you may be reading too much into materialism here!

After trying to figure out for instance why jeeps are purchased to "lower" them and put low profile tires on them it sometimes just becomes impossible to explain why...even for the owner.

When I'm in the woods with my Rubicon, I have fun. When I broke down the last time the tow truck driver laughed at me and said he wouldn't bring his rig down to where my Jeep was....that was part of the fun of the situation. It made me a better jeeper getting it out of there with the help of others and getting the transfer case back into gear myself in spite of the linkage being broken. This is the doctor Jekyll part of me. The Mr. Hyde part of me sees a lot of road miles. Even though I might be able to do this in the Sahara, I wanted the Rubicon. I can't explain it, I just wanted it. My wife said yes and before she could say I changed my mind, POOF, there it was sitting in the driveway. People come up to me on occasion and tell me what a nice ride. There is some pride in that. I wouldn't trade her for the foreseeable future and I don't know when or if I will sell her.

Sometimes jeep ownership just can't be either justified or explained...it just is that way. To the OP I say if you want a Rubicon, get it and then find uses for it. Have some kick ass fun while you are trying to figure it out. That is my philosophy.
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Since the discussion is on whether to buy a Rubicon or stay with another model, I will toss this out for some comments -
I bought my jeep this past December. The year before, I actually found a dealer with a Rubicon in stock. Gave that a lot of thought but decided to wait a bit. And, looked at the differences in the Rubicon vs a Sport (besides the price difference). The Rubicons that we see around here are loaded with every option, by the way, so the prices do tend to be exaggerated by items I'd pass on.
There are no big rocks here, there is mud. So, no rock crawling. I wasn't planning on a lift kit, figured 17" wheels would be fine. I was concerned that the Rubicon gearing might be a detriment to fuel mileage (I'm hearing that there's not any difference). Ended up buying a Sport with 3:73 gearing, limited slip rear, the "middle" tire and wheel upgrade and just the soft top.
Not sure whether I made a mistake or not. I definitely get off road, some of the roads to get to my house get interesting...
From a use standpoint, would I have gained by finding a Rubicon? I am not sure. (Had I found that the looks alone factor of a Rubicon was the issue, I'd have just bought it - but I didn't think there was all that much difference. I focused on gearing and the locker axles.) For me anyway, the $7,000 more for the Rubicon was pretty hard to bite off.
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I think you may be reading too much into materialism here!

Sometimes jeep ownership just can't be either justified or explained...it just is that way. To the OP I say if you want a Rubicon, get it and then find uses for it. Have some kick ass fun while you are trying to figure it out. That is my philosophy.
Not sure about the materialism thing . . . I think a image thing is more what I was getting at. I agree with you . . . the OP should buy whatever he wants and hopefully he'll have a kickass time with it, which to me would mean taking it offroad, but that's just me . . . well sounds like it's you too! I was just giving Raider a hard time about having a Rubi and never taking it off road . . . seems like a shame to me and makes me curious as to the reasons for purchasing a vehicle that has so little to offer in on road prowess.
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I have gotten use out of the lockers in slippery, bumpy, rocky situations when wheels were spinning and it just wouldn't move forward or backwards. Push the lock button and it moved out of the spot now on several occasions. No tow strap necessary. It is one of the reasons I'm glad to have the Rubicon. This is what I mean by purchase it...then have a kick ass good time trying to find uses for it.
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I was told about a "secret" camping spot next to a lake in the sierras

I was really lazy, cause I didn't air down, but

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Push button lockers and VERY low 4lo, crawled me right up this shale, to the "spot"

I don't really rock crawl with my Rubi, cause I camp and fish--but I can get there and I wouldn't trade down !!

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if you can afford it, do it!

i want a rubicon but will prolly end up getting a sahara at best... reason i want a rubicon even if i dont do alot of offroading right now is that i dont plan on getting another vehicle for a long time and this will prolly be my offroad toy in 10 years or more when the YJ finally dies and i can get a new DD... then i will certainly want all the extras and in the mean time have some fun with it too.

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