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Old 02-17-2010, 08:29 PM   #1
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Thinking about a new Wrangler

I am thinking about a new Wrangler Sahara. I drive a 2000 TJ now and am as pleased as you can be with the power but am concerned about the power loss with the JK's. There don't seem to be any 6 speeds in my area, which would be my preference, they are all automatics. I am not really in the market for a Rubi, I like the Sahara's.

Secondly, are the JK's warmer in the winter than the TJ's?

Comments and opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Old 02-17-2010, 08:45 PM   #2
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If you go for a JK and don't want a Rubicon. Upgrade the gear ratio from 3.21 to atleast 3.73 or 4.10 if possible...that'll help with the power problem. Kicking myself now for not doing it. I can't imagine your local dealer can't find a 6 speed somewhere for you

I live in Upstate New York...it's COLD here. Below 0 isn't abnormal in the winter. My 2008 JK has a rag top and it's just fine. Keeps the heat in great.

Also I am now considering buying the superchip flashpaq https://www.superchips.com/#pn=onlin...true&vfid=1193

It isnt overly expensive at around 350$ and has gotten great reviews

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Old 02-17-2010, 09:00 PM   #3
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Yes, I am definite on the 3.73's and read the review posted on the Superchip. Sounds like that is a must. Also, any luck with anyone getting a good sound with a Magnaflow on these?

On 20 degree Oklahoma days my TJ is COOOOLLLLDDD!

Thanks for the input!
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Old 02-17-2010, 09:04 PM   #4
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Depending on your budget, if you are looking at a new Sahara I would opt for a Used low mile Rubi instead. If for nothing else just the 4.10 gearing alone. Also, X2 on the superchips flashpaq for sure. Good luck.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:13 AM   #5
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Yes, I am definite on the 3.73's and read the review posted on the Superchip. Sounds like that is a must. Also, any luck with anyone getting a good sound with a Magnaflow on these?

On 20 degree Oklahoma days my TJ is COOOOLLLLDDD!

Thanks for the input!
Wow, Hard or soft top? My 01 softtop is really surprisingly warm... I am the most cold natured person ever, and never have a problem in mine. Maybe your heater is messed up. But then, came to my TJ from a Suburban, which took forever to get warm and then it wouldn't stay warm, so that right there might be the difference.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:44 AM   #6
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I have an '08 JK Rubi/hardtop, it's been in the minus temps in NorNv and once in the Rubi, with the heater fan turned to-just barely "off the off", I can go just a few minutes then have to turn the heater selector back to cool---

I've got additional hardtop insulation installed, but the basic hardtop is that way too

I've got a set of Hankook Dynapro Lt295/75x16 and they are over 33" (installed), my 4:10 gearing only makes me more aware of the OD button for my Auto--not much power diff--ya gotta have gears !!

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Old 02-19-2010, 08:02 AM   #7
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I have a Jk soft top and even though i live in FL it has been 32 or below in the morning alot. When you get in it is COLD but the heat takes no time at all to kick in than i start sweating. No complaints on this end about that.
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I have a Jk soft top and even though i live in FL it has been 32 or below in the morning alot. When you get in it is COLD but the heat takes no time at all to kick in than i start sweating. No complaints on this end about that.
haha funny how over here in Canada we're getting your weather instead lol
with the jk buy, def heard great reviews on the superchip
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so with this superchip you can change your gear ratio?
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No no no...If you change your gear ratio...the Super Chip will adjust the computer so it knows you swaped the gears.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:54 AM   #11
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I just got my first Wrangler, 2008. I say go for it. I like the ride and the heater works well up here in the NE.
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The Rubi is my second 08 - 6 speed manual, the first was the Sahara Unlimited with the tow package (3.73 gears). I definitely prefer the 4.1 gears on the Rubi better than the 3.73 gears on the other 08. It crawls much better and is better off of the stop. Otherwise not much difference since the determination of when to shift on the standard is up to the driver. If you need more torque on a standard, simply downshift and if down shifting doesn't make it "get up and go" to your satisfaction, downshift again.

As an example, the other day I was returning from a vacation in Vermont with a jeep full of skiers and a week's worth of gear and inside and 6 pairs of skis up top...pretty loaded jeep. I encountered extremely gusty conditions on the interstate from the south and I was headed south. Going up steep grades, and there a lot of those in Vermont, I had to downshift into 5th to maintain 65. That was the first time, other than hauling a fully loaded trailer near the weight limit of 3500lbs that I had to downshift to maintain 65 mph. This, IMHO, is why you see so many posts about the jeep being underpowered. I say it is all relative. While my jeep is empty, and I get on it in first off of the stop line, mine does respectably with the 4.1 gears. BTW, If I wanted to win every time I would have gotten a sports car.
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:20 AM   #13
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I appreciate all of the comments and you guys takin the time to comment. It's nearing month end so I am going to go do a little shopping today and actually drive the automatic and get a good feel. I like the Rubis and know the gearing is there, but I really like the Sahara package, for whatever reason. It'll be my DD so I am looking for an all around package. As has been posted, they are not race cars that's for sure, but I do like a little torque.
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Does the Rubicon have more torque that the Sahara?? because of its gears? I never knew that. Does that mean the Rubicon accelerates faster than the Sahara? Because it has never been presented that way by Jeep.
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Does the Rubicon have more torque that the Sahara?? because of its gears? I never knew that. Does that mean the Rubicon accelerates faster than the Sahara? Because it has never been presented that way by Jeep.
In a nutshell, yes. I've had both in an Unlimited in an 08 and the Rubicon definitely gets off the stop line faster and crawls better.
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Does the Rubicon have more torque that the Sahara?? because of its gears? I never knew that. Does that mean the Rubicon accelerates faster than the Sahara? Because it has never been presented that way by Jeep.
Yes. A rubicon is the equivalent to a supercharged sahara, or a sahara that has a hemi swap.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:34 AM   #17
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Update - So I went and drove an auto Sahara yesterday. I wasn't disappointed in the engine performance but I wasn't overly impressed either. As long as you grab a gear or two getting on the interstates it didn't seem to bad. Overall I really liked the Jeep.

I had a budget limit going onto the lot. After all was said and done we were $1400 away from doing the deal.

MSRP was $32,080 and selling price was right at $29,000. I wanted $10,000 for my 2000 Sahara (HT, 74000 miles, very clean) and they would only get to $8,500. So I passed. I will continue shopping and see what else is out there.

Side note, I thought the sound system was awesome. It had the $1500 navi system. It rocked pretty well.

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